********HILLARY TAKES TEXAS! THE TRIFECTA!!********

[Maddy McCall]

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GO, HILLARY!!!
THREE OF FOUR!!!

THANK YOU,
TEXAS, OHIO, AND
:yourock: RHODE ISLAND!! :yourock:








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[Levgreee]

1. Except she's going to get less delegates from Texas.

[Aviation Pro]

4. Who....

...givesaratsass? It'll still be a brokered convention. Maybe.

[awaysidetraveler]

102. Actually, HRC gained one delegate over Obama in Texas, and fifteen in Ohio. +16 net gain

Hillary gained 1 delegate over Obama in Texas.

Texas Primary: Clinton 64/ Obama 60
Texas Caucus: Obama 35/ Clinton 32

Hillary gained 15 delegates over Obama in Ohio

Ohio Primary Clinton 77/ Obama 62/ Edwards 2

The Vermont and RI Primaries canceled one another out.

Vermont Primary: Obama 9/ Clinton 6

Rhode Island Primary: Clinton 12/Obama 9

HRC's base is rallying around this Pyrric victory.

Congratulations on her win, which shows that indeed she is a formidable political figure,
but please realize that this is not the victory Hillary needed to win the election.

[SusanaMontana41]

125. I agree

Congratulations to Hillary. I mean that sincerely. She worked hard to squeak out that win in Texas. But a win it was.

I hope, though, that she no longer resorts to fear-mongering in her ads. Smacks too much of Bushco, imo.

[CookCountyResident]

127. Fear-mongering?

Fear-mongering has been going on in American campaign "advertising" since the 1800's.
"Attack ads" are nothing new.
Anything to get the population riled up enough to get out and vote.

[rodeodance]

144. We have real threats facing America. And Hillary knows that--so should you.

[SusanaMontana41]

145. I am aware, thanks

I am also aware that her foreign policy differs little from McCain/Bush.

I will not be frightened into voting for a candidate.

[rodeodance]

148. try looking at her policies in detail.

[formerroadie]

153. I have

I have read Hilary's policies and I will never vote for her... ever. Obama's policy positions align with my own and frankly, we need new blood infused into our system at the presidential level. Let McCain and Clinton go the way of ... well, whatever...

Also, if we look at experience as a criteria, then we all should vote for McCain. He has more than Hilary... but, of course, people will say.. no! But, the logic of the argument against Obama is incredibly flawed on this point.

[lark]

181. Obviously don't know much about Obama

Did you know that when he ran for the US Senate he stated that there was not much difference at all between his and Bush's stance on Iraq? Did you know that he's on record as stating there was nothing that could be done to help the mortgage crisis and that putting a halt to foreclosures for 90 days wasn't something that was even feasible, then Bush makes that exact proposal.

Plus, their policies are very, very similar, they are both middle of the road Democrats. The only difference is she's stating she wants to renegotiate NAFTA, he's saying the same, then the staff is telling Canada, don't pay any attention to what's being said, it's just campaign talk. We know Clinton will fight for change and make America better. We have no clue as to what he'd do since he doesn't deal with specifics. He thinks the Repugs will be enlightened and work together nicely for the benefit of the country, just because he's so wonderful. Yeah, right. I don't trust my future to him as I like action and someone who will take care of the details, not another "delegator", ala Bush and Reagan.

[rodeodance]

234. * Nationally, 57% say Hillary Clinton is best prepared to be president, 39% Obama

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject CLINTON; The Path to the Presidency; The Red States: Obama argument flawed.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4911288#4911288
4911288, CLINTON; The Path to the Presidency; The Red States: Obama argument flawed.
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Mar-05-08 03:31 PM

enjoy:-)


http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/03/05/162040



The Path to the Presidency
3/5/2008 11:20:40 AM

With last night’s victories in Ohio and Texas, one thing is clear: the momentum has swung back to Hillary Clinton. Voters in both states agreed that Hillary Clinton would be the best Commander-in-Chief and the strongest steward of our economy. In fact, according to last night’s polls, those who decided who to vote for in the last three days overwhelmingly favored Hillary . It’s time for a second look.

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5. Several of Hillary's base constituencies (women, Hispanic, labor, elderly and under $75,000) are key to a Democratic victory in November. Senator Obama has not brought these voters out in the same numbers.
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* These political and demographic trends project positively into the general election and strongly favor Hillary.

6. The Red States: The central strategic argument of the Obama campaign is flawed. Senator Obama argues that his success in Democratic primary contests held in long-time Red States means he will carry those states in a general election. In reality, there are no “Red States” in a Democratic primary – there are only Democratic voters who live in Republican states and represent a small percentage of the general election population.
* Of the eleven core Republican states that have gone to the polls, Sen. Obama has won ten: Utah, Idaho, Nebraska, North Dakota, Alabama, Alaska, Kansas, South Carolina, Georgia, and Louisiana. John Kerry lost each of these states by fifteen points or more.
* The last time a Democratic nominee won Utah, Idaho, Nebraska, North Dakota, Kansas, and Alaska in the general election was 1964.
* Even if Obama is “transcendent,” as his campaign has argued, the historic electoral trends and the current political environment suggest that translating those primary wins into November success will be close to impossible.
* In short: Hillary is better positioned to carry the battle ground states that Democrats need to win in November and Obama’s victories in deep red states do not .

7. Hillary is the only Democrat with the strength, leadership, and experience to defeat John McCain. Senator Clinton is seen as the best prepared to be Commander-in-Chief.
* Nationally, 57% say Hillary Clinton is best prepared to be president, 39% Obama
* Hillary Clinton is seen as best able to take on the Republicans on their own turf – national security and terrorism. She is seen as a strong and decisive leader (a seven point advantage over Obama nationally).
* Hillary is seen as the one who can get the job done – leading Obama nationally by 13 points .
* Hillary is seen as the candidate to solve the country’s problems, leading Obama by 10 points .

8. John McCain will diminish any perceived advantage Obama has with independents. As has been widely discussed, one of John McCain’s key constituents is independents. And against McCain, Obama will be framed by the Republicans as too liberal (he was ranked by the National Journal as the most liberal Senator); untested on national security; and vulnerable on issues that would make him unelectable in November. These issues may be surmountable in a Democratic primary but will be an Achilles heel with independents in a general election.

9. The McCain Roadmap: McCain has already foreshadowed his campaign’s construct against Obama: His vulnerability is experience and judgment on national security.
* McCain: Obama’s ‘meet, talk and hope approach’ is ‘dangerously naïve in international diplomacy.’ “Meet, talk, and hope may be a sound approach in a state legislature, but it is dangerously naive in international diplomacy where the oppressed look to America for hope and adversaries wish us ill.”
* McCain: Obama is an ‘inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan, and suggested sitting down without preconditions or clear purpose with enemies who support terrorists.’ “Each event poses a challenge and an opportunity. Will the next president have the experience -- the judgment, experience informs and the strength of purpose to respond to each of these developments in ways that strengthen our security and advance the global progress of our ideals? Or will we risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan, and suggested sitting down without preconditions or clear purpose with enemies who support terrorists and are intent on destabilizing the world by acquiring nuclear weapons? I think you know the answer to that question.”

10. Steward of the economy. Hillary Clinton leads both John McCain and Barack Obama on the economy and health care. In the latest LA Times/Bloomberg poll (1/22), Hillary leads McCain 52/28 on health care and 43/34 on the economy.
* Hillary leads Barack Obama on health care by 21 points nationally .

11. Florida……..
12. Michigan…….
13. ……….

Previewing Today : Hillary appeared on NBC’s “Today Show,” ABC’s “Good Morning America,” CBS’s Early Show, CNN’s “American Morning,” FOX’s “Fox and Friends,” and MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” … Chelsea holds an “Our Voice, Our Future” event at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

[George II]

246. In 2004 nationally 51% said they wanted bush to be their president

so much for "national" numbers.

[Omega3]

265. that was 4 years ago Jorge, there's no time like the present

[George II]

277. It's GEORGE, pendejo

[DemzRock]

George II - whats your point? 51% wanted W? Well, guess what. He won didn't he? n/t

[George II]

315. The POINT is that just because more than 50% of Americans want something....

it's not always the RIGHT thing.

[DemzRock]

303. George II - whats your point? 51% wanted W? Well, guess what. He won didn't he? n/t

[George II]

317. so much for "national" numbers."

"so much for "national" numbers."

Got it? Just because more than 50% of the people vote for something doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing!!!

[rodeodance]

304. So? he won right???

[George II]

316. You didn't read the rest of my post....

"so much for "national" numbers."

Got it? Just because more than 50% of the people vote for something doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing!!!

[Sonnenschein]

270. There is not much difference between Obama and Hillary in terms of agenda.

It's a race of speaches and personalities.

[guyanakoolaid]

274. Her foreign policies in detail ?!?

Well, let's see, when it came to Iraq, she voted with the neocons. Strike.

When it came to the resolution leading to war with Iran, she voted with the neocons. Strike.

Sorry, don't think I want to see what the third strike will be with her having Presidential power.

[whistler162]

149. You might want to tell Senator Clinton

that! The evidence so far is that she could care less about any threats other than the one to her potentially being elected President!

"We have real threats facing America. And Hillary knows that--so should you.
Posted by rodeodance"

[SusanaMontana41]

171. Her slash-and-burn attacks on Obama will only feed McCain

BTW, I thought the "and so should you" part of rodeo's response was pretty condescending. But that's probably off topic.

[N4457S]

176. I Can't Believe It...

...but if I didn't know better, I'd say we're setting up McCain to win by default.

Hillary doesn't have the support of the base. She has support of a lot of dried up, Baby Boomer old folks attempting to re-live their youth in Rust Belt states. That won't be enough to win the general election.

Her negatives are stratospheric. They're REALLY bad. Her shotgun marriage candidacy will drive Democrats to stay home in November AND Republican white males to the polls in massive numbers...

...and put a 72 year old man in the Oval Office.

I think the party is screwed.

[No Blood for Hubris]

290. While Obama's slash and burn attacks on Hillary will do the Dems so much good?

Puh-leeze.

[cui bono]

197. Enough with the fear mongering already. Now it's on this board too?

:eyes:

Hillbots. Sheesh.

[digidigido]

284. The real threat right now is Hillary

There is one candidate who encourages hope and participation, that candidate has
had over 1,000,000 individuals contribute to his race. He appeals to Republicans
and Democrats and Independants. He excites and ennobles people.
He has class and carries himself with dignity. There is a candidate who divides and
repels many, who's husband lowered the bar of the office of POTUS. There is a
woman who has more baggage then Imelda Marcos had shoes. That is the threat

[digidigido]

326. Hillary Divides

[awaysidetraveler]

209. Sorry, looks like I spoke too soon: Hillary didn't win Texas.

The caucus results changed, according to CNN: 38 - 30 favoring Obama.

That puts Obama up 4 delegates, making a net win in Ohio of only 12 for Hillary Clinton.

She still deserves the credit for Ohio, but apparently not for Texas.

[No Blood for Hubris]

291. Sure she did. Or is Obama part of Bush's fact-free universe?

All spin, no substance? All hat, no cattle?

[awaysidetraveler]

344. It's an easily referenced fact that Obama won Texas: try AP.

It's called a "two-step" and it means just that. It doesn't mean that there's two Texan elections: there's one Texan election with two parts.

Obama won the caucus with more delegates than Clinton won in the primary, therefore Obama won Texas.

[Nexus7]

247. And I hope Oprah (i mean Obama) doesn't resort to racism any more

I mean, running on the MLK speech against Hillary? Thanks for bringing the poisonous issue of race into it, Oprah. Thank you very much.

Now I hope you go off and don't resort to race-mongering any more.

[Cherchez la Femme]

275. Would you take exception to

these 'fear-mongering' ads against a Republican opponent?

[oasis]

147. Let the truth be told. Thank you. k&r

[awaysidetraveler]

207. Correction: CNN now reports 56% to 44% favoring Obama for a strong Texas election win.

Of course, you have to put both the caucus and the primary together to decide the Texas election as a whole.

38 Obama and 30 Clinton delegates are what's currently showing in the caucus, meaning that Obama won Texas.

[oasis]

210. On to Pennsylvania, a swing state. (eom)

[FogerRox]

165. Didnt Hillary need 57% of delegates ?

SO if..

Of the 370 delegates in play last night, HRC needed 57%, thats 211., she got about 52%, 191 delegates .

[awaysidetraveler]

208. Right, Hillary deserves a pat on the back, but she can't win the general. Also, she lost Texas.

It appears that she lost Texas, because the caucus results now show a 56% lead for Obama with 38% reporting.

This has been a CNN circus.

[twompy]

173. Texas Caucus 35-32

Where did you pull these numbers from. The Texas democratic Website shows the breakdown of caucus results and not one of them has more than 50% reporting yet.

Out of all 31 senate districts there are only 6 that Clinton even leads in. There is no way to know what the Texas breakdown will be until all results are in. Even then they are not official until March, there is still two steps in the caucus process. I think it is premature to start making prdictions before all the precincts are in.

[awaysidetraveler]

206. It's a simple extrapolation, and in this case it looks like you're right: CNN now reports 56% Obama+

That is in the caucus. So that would change the extrapolation considerably.

Ouch! Just did the math... still need to check the NYTimes percentages, which are more detailed.

38 Obama to 30 Clinton. Wow... Obama won Texas.

[twompy]

216. also check the TDP website

There is a detailed breakdown at the TDP site. http://precinctconventionresults.txdemocrats.org/election08district

After participating last night and talking with friends and family in different parts of the state today, I still don't know what to expect. It sounds like South Texas conventions were chaotic, and none showed in some North Texas conventions. To top it all off these delegates are not binding until June so in theory anyone can change their vote to whoever they choose.

[George II]

214. The NYT has it down to just a 12 delegate gain now...

Pyrric victory indeed. Let's hope they don't both go down in flames...we need one undamaged for the general election. I'm betting on Obama.

[snappyturtle]

237. Tweety just said she netted 8 delegates over-all yesterday. n/t

[Hoof Hearted]

256. Tweety.

:rofl:

[JKaiser]

175. I am so proud of Hillary and the democratic party!

[ORDagnabbit]

2. n texas HRC gets 65 delegates and BHO gets 61 in the primaries

http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136_state.htm

Hillary Clinton 65 598,852 47.69% 1,145,202 50.78%

Barack Obama 61 635,110 50.58% 1,066,457 47.29%

[depakid]

35. And then there are caucuses

Even so, it'll be nice not to have to hear people being pummeled by the X number straight type deal.

Like that really mattered.

All I want to do is beat the far right in November- even if I won't live in the states- I still want to see it less worse.

Fight it out, yet keep your eyes on the prize.

[Yes We Did]

48. You all need to hold it here... It is FAR from over in TX.

Obama still has some HUGE counties to go, Harris is at 50%, and if it holds he will pick up another 50,000 votes right there alone. He has huge leads in other large counties he has HUGE leads in that still have at least 25% to be counted.

They called Missouri wrong earlier, and they are doing it again. Just watch.

[ORDagnabbit]

58. why the hell are people still voting for john edwards?? thats 40k worth of votes

[JoFerret]

74. Hope?

(Edwards fan here)

[cascadiance]

109. MAYBE, to tell one of them to start appealing to the grass roots again instead of the ticky tack...

... crap that's been going back and forth a lot lately, which has me standing on the sideline kinding of waiting until it all is "over", when I'd like to get back towards working on progressive issues again that have taken a hiatus until this bickerfest is over.

If one of them would really start going for the grass roots and give a middle finger to their corporate sponsors, perhaps Edwards would endorse them, and many Edwards supporters would jump on board too.

[lark]

186. You got it!!

God, I wish the media hadn't killed his campaign by ignoring him to death and hyping the middle of the road folks so much!!

Sigh

[pollo poco]

112. Cause the other two are frightening! n/t

[lark]

185. Voting convictions

People continue to vote for Edwards because they sincerely think he's by far the best candidate, and is certainly the only truly PROGRESSIVE candidate who had a ghost of a chance. I personally didn't vote for him, too much the pragmatist, but I have friends that voted for him after he pulled out.

[Diane R]

3. Oh. Did I miss something? Did she win more delegates? How's she doing in the caucus?

[LSK]

12. here

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_state/US_Page_0304_VD.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS

[GoldieAZ49]

45. She broke O's momentum and yes more delegates but more important

made him look like he is just another politician, not a saviour, and not even a very good or experienced politician

[aquart]

50. Yep. Perception is all.

[anamandujano]

60. She won with lots less money and MSM trying to spin her out of the race.

[LostinVA]

85. Yup -- and in two very delegate-rich states

And, in a Northeast state that has great chowda!

[libbygurl]

96. Yup, yup, yup! Spin 'em all you want - the perception has changed...

...and so has the reality.

[LostinVA]

84. Exactly

[StClone]

111. Hill is our Savior Cult of Hillary

With no more experience than Obama and has beat away 1000 times more baggage, she is the one true light! Look I'll vote for Hill but to say she some how has superiority is not really in evidence.

[NJSecularist]

5. Do you need to litter the entire front page with ******** ?

How obnoxious. :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

9. KMA.

Have a big glass of sour grape juice.

[NDambi]

79. The unmysterious Maddy..at it again... she won, but she won't win..

thankfully I will still get to the vote in November...and won't have to stay home because hillda is the nominee...

The Superdelegates will not overturn the pledged delegates...no way. no how. The backlash would be to severe...

[libbygurl]

104. Hee...same old spin - Hill's wins aren't really wins...nothing new on this earth...

...you guys are so predictable.

[StClone]

113. Hey we don't make the rules

But if you are a political student, Hillary as you must know, will only come close if Florida and Michigan are somehow tossed to her in a big way. I'd vote for Hillary but the cards are stacked against her.

[verges]

308. Could you please explain

how getting fewer delegates is a win?

[WatchWhatISay]

321. Hillary won because droves of Texas Republicans crossed over and voted for her

I know because, as an election judge, I sat and watched it all day. They didnt want their card stamped since, as they said they were just voting on our side for one day. And they didnt want any information about attending the caucus. In our precinct caucus Obama got 64.5% of the vote. And in early voting every day except one, the Democratic primary had more voters than the Republican Primary. In a city that normally votes about 75% Republican.

How many Republicans did you see admitting that they would cross over because they believed in Hillary? A few Republicans have been swayed to support Obama. But Republicans who voted for Hillary did it for strategic reasons. They will not be voting for her in November. They are hoping this will keep Obama off the ballot.

[George II]

342. Well, if you consider getting less delegates in a state than the opposition "winning", then....

....I guess she did win. A hollow victory, indeed.

[musicblind]

124. That's a really pretty glass

I wish I could find glasses like that.

[George II]

215. Check the definition, that's an incorrect usage of "sour grapes".

[Maddy McCall]

239. Depends on how you look at it. But here's a big glass of sweet lemonade for you.

[George II]

250. "Sour grapes is the false denial of desire for something sought but not acquired"

Obama and his supporters never denied that they really wanted to win the primaries last night or the nomination.

"Sour grapes" is one of the most misused and misunderstood expressions in American colloquy.

[0007]

322. Have two bottles of this magic juice for your constitution.

... prune juice, black coffee mug ...
451 x 338 - 16k - jpg
balloonpantry.com

[MonkeyFunk]

13. LOL

you guys really are petty little people, aren't you?

[LostinVA]

86. Yes, they are

Notice how HRC NEVER wins? Rigged elections, HE won more delegates even if she won Nevada, etc.

I've played alot of sports in my life -- both team sn individual, and how people win AND lose tells alot about character.

GO HILLARY! For as long as you need me, I'm there.

[Politicalboi]

245. Well that is what she

Was saying last month that this didn't count and that didn't count. But now Texas and Ohio count. She is sickening and she is not going to get the votes in November.

[Cameron27]

134. Yes they are.

[Bake]

23. Would somebody please call the Waaaaaaahmbulance?

We've got a whiner here.

Let the Hillary supporters celebrate a little!

Bake

[Jamastiene]

33. "little" the front page?

:wtf: are you talking about? Looks like you are the one being obnoxious, shitting all over a good thread like this. Isn't there some "goes around" you need to be off doing right about now?

[Hoof Hearted]

44. Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Whahh. whahh whaaaahhhhhhhhh.

[NJSecularist]

55. The Hillbots are really classy tonight

Representing your candidate well I see.

[rodeodance]

97. She's a LADY~~~ and the Lady is our's~~ NOW all America wants her~~

[Hoof Hearted]

261. Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't make fun of someone crying about stars on the

the front page for acting like a little baby.

:rofl:

[No Blood for Hubris]

292. No, you should be proud about your sexist swift-boating. Really.

I SO mean that.

[Hoof Hearted]

310. I SO don't care.

Like, totally. *gum smacking commences*

[libbygurl]

98. 'How obnoxious.' Just because it isn't 'All Obama All the Time' now out there?

Are the grapes really that sour?

[Auntie Bush]

264. Better than littering it with Hillary is dead and praise be to Obama posts.

[LadyVT]

6. Thank you, Maddy! This is GREAT! ;)

[ruggerson]

7. What stage of grief are we in now?

:toast:

[boppers]

29. EGYPT.

IT HAS A RIVUR.

[TK421]

41. Stage....uh, zero?

:shrug: Why should we be in grief? Is this something I'm missing from another post?

I'm happy

[ruggerson]

56. Not a big deal, I just swatted a fly

I'm pretty happy too :toast:

[TK421]

64. Clean off that flyswatter...it must be REALLY messy right now

I have an electric one here...it looks like a miniature tennis racket ( almost like a badminton racket ) that sends an electric impulse that will kill flies, bees, or just about anything it comes in contact with! It's really lots of fun! If you hold your hand up to it when you click the button, it gives quite an impressive shock...I can only imagine the damage it does to flying insects....but more especially those of the internet kind

[George II]

251. All this hollering and cheering for less than a dozen delegates?

As Chris Matthews would say..." HAH! "

[TK421]

331. You like Tweety, don't you? What else does he like to say?

:spray: please...tell me more

and why aren't you typing in caps?

[George II]

333. HAH !

[MADem]

8. She keeps winning those BIG states that will count in the general election, doesn't she? NT

[anamandujano]

62. What big state hasn't she won. New Jersey, what else? Not many I'm guessing.

[leftynyc]

91. She won Jersey also

The ONLY big state she has not won is IL

[CookCountyResident]

133. And there was no way she was going to win IL

She didn't waste much time or cash here. Why bother? Obama had pretty much everything sewn up, and the only Clinton supporters with any pull were those from past years.

[verges]

311. and

TEXAS!

[formerroadie]

156. Texas and Hillary

yes, but lets look at the Texas map (i live in this god forsaken state). Almost all of Hilary's victories came from rural counties while Obama won in the cities. Well, in a Republican vs Democratic election, the republicans will slay in the rural areas. Sorry folks, she most certainly won't win texas in the presidential election. So, the logic about "winning those big states" is ultimately flawed. Now, Obama has a lot of Republicans on his side here and may be able to sway many Republicans who are moderates to his side here in this big a$$ state. Anyway, I don't believe the hype. The map is light blue at CNN, but where it's light blue matters....

[lark]

190. Texas defines a red state

There's no way on God's green earth that Obama will win the GE in Texas. All of my mom's family, and she's one of 12 children, is from there so we've visited often and long. Every single one of them voted for Bush and all are now for McCain. Their only complaint about McCain is that he's too liberal. They would never vote for either Hillary or Obama. Nebraska, Montana, Utah, and all the red states he's won will also not vote for him in the GE. Hillary's winning where the Democrats have a chance of winning in the GE, CT being the only exception that I can think of at the moment.

[MADem]

193. Like BushCo isn't going to bring TX home for the GOP, no matter WHO the Dem is?

Your argument is disingenuous. Obama would be handed his ass, and his cowboy hat, in TX at the general, absent a huge shift in perception and despite the low national numbers of McCain's newest endorser, Bush. TX is still GOP, and probably will stay that way for the next election cycle. To try to suggest that Obama would win TX in the general when he can't win the primary is a stretch.

And if Obama "has so many Republicans on his side" in Texas, why didn't they come out for him? TX does allow GOP crossovers to the Democratic Party in the primary. Some GOP buddies old BO has, there!

I don't believe the hype you're shopping--Obama wouldn't win TX in a general election under ANY scenario. That's going to McCain. The DeLay-manufactured machine down that way grinds on.

The larger point, though, still stands. Clinton can win big "primary" states, industrial "primary" states, AND states that go blue in general elections. Obama wins caucus states and states that go red in the general.

[George II]

252. She wins the big states when only Democrats and Rush-dittoheads can vote

Do you really think, after all that has happened since 1992, that republicans will vote for her in an open election?

She "won" Texas (actually got less delegates than Obama, but whatever....) because McCain was a sure winner and republicans could vote in the Democratic primary, so they were mobilized to put her over the top - they feel Obama would be a more formidable opponent for McCain.

[MADem]

278. Uh, most D primaries are OPEN. So give that shit up. Nice try, George.

Let's not talk about "Democrat for a Day" support in NV and IA and other states for Obama, shall we? That'll fuck your paradigm in the heart, now, won't it? http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/14/145143/927

Keep shopping that Big Lie, too, if it makes you feel better. The GOP turned out in greater numbers for your fellah. Of course, "they" were sincere, right? While the GOP Clinton voters were "mischief makers!"

:rofl:

They're awfully organized, too. Funny, that: http://www.republicansforobama.org/?q=node/358




"But whatever..." indeed. Obama is the WEAKER candidate--the "National Security" mop that McCain will wipe the floor with. He's about as formidable as a paper doll. We've seen, just this week, how he folds under pressure, how he cries and pouts and gets "testy" when anything other than praise is heaped on him....and how he is unable to take a punch.


Formidable, my ass. It's not a pretty picture to see an idol with feet of clay. But have another glass of that tasty Kool Aid! Believe! Change!! Believe!!!!

:eyes:

[George II]

314. Do your research....UH!

MOST democratic primaries are DEMOCRATIC only!!

If you know something we all don't know, tell us. Otherwise, "GIVE UP THAT SHIT" !!!!

[MADem]

337. No they aren't. Thanks for letting us know how uninformed you are, though.

It gives us a baseline upon which to judge your future contributions to this forum.

[George II]

340. OK - let's see the list of Democratic primaries where Republicans can vote...

You're the one who says they're out there - let's see them, 'kay?

[MADem]

352. I posted the link elswhere in this thread.

And "closed" means closed to members of a party, if you want to be precise.

Not open to "Independents" as well as party members.

The GOP, when they close a primary, they close it.

We haven't gotten that down, yet.

[George II]

353. Yes, you did post the link elsewhere here and it proved you wrong...

....that list shows 26 closed primaries/caucuses. There are 50 states. A little math (not "English games" this time!) reveales that that is more than half, ergo your fact that "most" are open is false.

No English games, no math manipulation, nothing but the fact that MOST are closed. Now, you've tried to redefine "closed" and "open" here a few times (just WHO was playing "English games"?) but that doesn't change the fact that more than half the states have closed primaries/caucuses.

[MADem]

354. You go on and ignore context, because you EXCEL at that!

Oh, and while you are at it, keep "believing!"

[George II]

356. I believe! In the English Language and Addition/Subtraction

Now, if you REALLY have a point that you're keeping obscure here, why not make it? My point has been made and you seem to keep objecting to reality (reality YOU posted, by the way!), so what's yours?:shrug:

[MADem]

357. But you don't believe in context. If someone says "CLOSED!" you believe, even if

they let people in who Do Not Belong.

[George II]

358. WHICH states with "closed" primaries let people in who don't belong?

STOP beating around the bush - get to the point!!! This isn't a stupid game here, but you sure are trying to make it one.

[George II]

341. Obviously my baseline is much higher than yours....

There are 50 states, 18 states have "open" primaries. An INFORMED person with a grasp of the English language would not categorize less than 40% of anything as "most".

Now, what were you saying about "most" and "uninformed"? It wouldn't surprise me if you don't answer this post.

[MADem]

343. And how many caucus states tell you that you can be a Democrat for a day? Hmmmm?

Those caucus states are listed as "closed" but they aren't. Republicans can show up at the caucus site and declare themselves Democrats with a pen and a scribble.

Here's the list: http://www.fairvote.org/?page=1801

Alaska, Iowa, Nevada (home of that famous "Be A Democrat for a DAY!! flyer), North Dakota, Illinois, Kansas, Utah, and Ohio are putatively "closed" states that are Closed In Name Only. Republicans CAN, and do, cross over and vote in these states by changing their registration at the polls (in the case of North Dakota, they don't even HAVE party registration).

And unlike the GOP, we permit independents to vote in many putatively "closed" contests--which, even if you call it "closed" doesn't make it "closed" like the GOP closes many of theirs. And of course, not all independents lean our way--how shocking is that? :sarcasm: California is a good example of this--it's called "closed" but Democrats allow independents to participate. The GOP actually "closes" their primary in that state, and does not allow anyone who isn't a Republican to play.

So, if you want to get shirty and snarky and play the "English Language" game, one would, should and could put forth the "English Language" assertion that in order for a Democratic Primary to be well and truly "CLOSED" then only "DEMOCRATS" should be able to vote in it. Unless we're going to change our party's name to the "Democratic-Independent-Unaffiliated" party (which might as well be called the Lieberman Party for short), that is.

Any contest that allows "unaffiliateds" or "independents" to participate isn't really closed.

But hey, you enjoy the view from that high horse of yours--hang on real tight so you don't fall off, now!

:eyes:

Citations: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/14/obama-nevada-flyer-you-can-be-a-democrat-for-one-day/

This wasn't "new" either: http://correntewire.com/bush_latte_obama_democrat_for_a_day_scheme_in_florida_not_only_in_nevada

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-expands-be-a-democ_b_82496.html

[George II]

345. I don't know - you were talking about primaries (go back to your post to bone up, please)....

You can redefine the primaries/caucuses to fit your premise, that's ok.....but it still doesn't change reality or make what you said correct. "MOST" primaries are NOT "open".

You gave it a shot, too bad you Clintoned (i.e., lost) the arguement.

[MADem]

346. The point still stands, though. So you can do what you will with that "bone" of yours.

Primaries that call themselves "closed" yet allow independents (who are, by that "English Language" definition you prize so much, not "Democrats") to vote in them are not truly closed primaries. They're primaries that are OPEN to Democrats, Independents AND unaffiliated voters.

You gave it a shot,too-probably a few too many judging by your, er, unreasonable glee over what you seem to think is a winning "argument."

:eyes:

[George II]

347. Well, YOU are the one who said "most" Democratic primaries are open - that is flat out WRONG!

But you're sticking by your false statement, so your insults and criticism are baseless....(as are your "facts")

[MADem]

349. They are. Even the ones that are putatively closed are in fact open.

That was my point, you, though, wanted to play "English Language" games.

I am not insulting you. You're hypersensitive and need to get a real life if you think that.

[George II]

350. No English language games here....

...most means more than any other. I don't blithly throw out "facts" without knowing that the are, indeed, facts.

I have a wonderful, active, DEMOCRATIC life, very active in politics including being an officer of our Democratic party in town AND an elected official (as a matter of fact, RE-elected, so I know what it's all about)

Let's not throw out comments without knowing that they're true, okay?

[MADem]

351. Yes, let's NOT, shall we? NT

[WatchWhatISay]

325. Wrong! Here, lets let Paul Burka of Texas Monthly explain it

to you.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/blogs/burkablog/index.php


Did Republicans Hijack the Democratic Primary?

posted by Paul Burka at 7:56 AM

The answer is, yes, they did. Rush Limbaugh did the hijacking. He told Republicans to vote for Clinton in the Democratic primary. Her margin in Texas was 98,000 votes. When all the numbers get crunched, you'll find that many Clinton voters have a Republican primary voting history.

Look at how low the Republican primary vote was in some races. In Ellen Cohen's district, the two Republicans polled just 2,715 early votes in 53 precincts. Where were all the voters? In the Democratic primary, voting for Clinton.

[MADem]

339. More Republicans who voted in that primary voted for Obama. Your point?

It's "OK" for the GOP to hijack it for Obama, but not for Clinton? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/

But a significant proportion say they are temporarily backing Obama for strategic reasons. They plan to vote Republican in November, but for now, their goal is to try to make sure Clinton cannot win.

Or is it the pathetic, blind-acolyte argument that "Republicans who vote for Obama are siiiiiinceeeeeeeeeeere!!!!!!" Whilst of course, it's only NEFARIOUS Republicans who vote for Clinton!

:rofl:

At the end of the day, all those nefarious "Clinton voting Republicans" did was almost -- not quite, but almost -- neutralize the nefarious "Obama voting Republicans."


Actually, though, your prized source, there, Mister Burka, makes a few salient points, even though he failed to note that more Republicans turned out for Barack, overall: http://www.texasmonthly.com/blogs/burkablog/2008/03/hillary-rodham-craddick.php#links

So what happened? The national media attribute her success to Roy Spence's 3 a.m. ad, and I'm all for one of our own getting the credit, but I think Clinton's success had less to do with her than with Obama. His performance level has dropped. He wasn't on his game in the Texas debate, and he was downright bad in the Ohio debate. Maybe he has been sick--a correspondent pointed out that he was blowing his nose at the rally the night before the Texas debate--but I think he's got a different kind of bug. He has begun to read his own press clippings and, worse, believe them. When I watched the Ohio debate, I could practically see him grow a glass jaw. Clinton hit him again and again, and he didn't fight back. He let her bully him in the discussion over Louis Farrakahn's endorsement. He said he renounced it and Clinton said he should reject it and he argued a while and finally said, "OK, I renounce it and reject it." Weak!

I suppose we should thank Old Rush for encouraging his Numbnuts Listeners to serve as a "neutralizer" of sorts--those "chaos" voters might have played a small role in countering the "Vote Obama So McCain Has an EASY Opponent" crowd.

I really don't think Republicans should be voting in Democratic primaries at all, because the potential for mischief-making is too great, and they are NOT members of the Democratic Party...but I am not the DNC chair. Had they not voted at all, the result would be pretty much the same, though Clinton would have won by a slightly GREATER margin.

The GOP isn't stupid--they don't let Democrats choose their candidate for them, in most contests.

[WatchWhatISay]

323. EXACTLY!

And anyone who lives here knows that.

[Bake]

10. It's a whole new ballgame!

:woohoo:

BHO's Big Mo seems to have hit a snag.

Bake

[Dinger]

11. How's It Going Maddy Buddy & Friends!!!!!!!

LOVE YOU ALL AND HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Maddy McCall]

15. This is a great night for Hillary Clinton....and for us!

:hug:

[emilyg]

27. You bet!!!!!!!!!!

[PseudoIntellect]

14. She's going to lose the delegate count in Texas.

[aquart]

47. So only delegates count and not the vote of the people?

You gotta see the breakdown of the Texas vote by country. Obama took the cities. ONLY the cities. Hillary took the border and the boonies. Really, really interesting.

[PseudoIntellect]

57. You're right; popular vote is important.

But just saying, Hillary won't gain much ground, if any.

An interesting thing is that Clinton seems to be winning enough of the little rural area votes to take Texas over Obama's big cities. This reminds me a little of Obama's situation with the United States of America: winning more states and more popular vote, but getting belittled for not winning as many big states.

[okasha]

120. I've been saying for weeks that Hillary would take Texas

with the Hispanic vote, the Ann Richards libs, and the rural areas.

I do love being right. :evilgrin:

[George II]

253. If one wants to win the nomination, YES!

[ClayZ]

318. Yes She Will

[ClayZ]

319. Yes She Will

[Jamastiene]

16. This is the Most Beautiful Post I've seen tonight.

You are ON FIRE tonight with kickass posts. :thumbsup:

:woohoo:

:party:

:hi:

[Maddy McCall]

22. Thanks!

:hug:

:loveya:

What a fucking great night!!!

[juajen]

54. Yeah, calls for a celebration, a big one. Now, where did I put

that bottle of champagne? Honestly, hasn't this night been wonderful? I'm gonna go to sleep in a little while and doze till the sun comes up.

Wouldn't it be great if she won the caucuses too?

[durrrty libby]

17. She was fabulous tonight.

[jlake]

K&R!

[Emillereid]

18. Goes to show - Rovian tactics still work.

[rodeodance]

99. BO used them on Hilliary--but she is strong and has strong support

[Emillereid]

117. Bullshit - but maybe he will now.

[Skoods]

19. WOOOOO

In the spirit of those stupid O-BA-MA chants...

HIL-LA-RY, HIL-LA-RY, HIL-LA-RY, HIL-LA-RY, HIL-LA-RY!!!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. GO MAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

She TOTALLY kicked ass tonight and showed the world how much of a fighter she is. What a night!!!!

[Hoof Hearted]

21. Proud to give you K&R number FIVE!

Wooooo Hooooo!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[Maddy McCall]

26. Thanks!!!

:hug:

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TK421]

49. Why do you want to know?

Isn't that a private thing? That should be kept behind doors, and not let out to the general public

How......utterly....disgusting!

[LostinVA]

87. Hey

PM me -- what'd they say???

[robbedvoter]

25. What a night! Congrats! Drinks on me!

:toast:

[Tom Rinaldo]

28. She never gave up, she never gave in

She has the strength we need in a Democratic candidate for President.

[Maddy McCall]

36. Good to see you, Tom.

I have enjoyed reading your posts this primary season...hope to read more from you.

:hug:

[Tom Rinaldo]

66. Thanks Maddy, no doubt you will

My work sends me on the roqd periodically and I mostly vanish for several days or a week here, but I come back.

A great night. She fought back against the media. She fought back against the money. She fought back against the momentum. She fought and won and she will fight for a Democratic agaenda for America, and win it for us.

[JoFerret]

75. She sure has grit and determination

Just what we need to take on the recalcitrant r/w.
Wes for VP? Defence?

[Arkansas Granny]

103. No, she didn't. I was telling a co-worker this morning that the biggest

reason I support Hillary over Obama is that I know she is a fighter and not a quitter. That's what we are going to need for this GE. I think that Obama would also be a good candidate and a good President and I will gladly vote for him if he is the eventual nominee, but I'm not convinced that he will be able to handle the RW hate machine once it gets started. Hillary has already proven herself capable of doing so. It's really going to get nasty as the Republicans try desperately to hold onto the White House.

[libbygurl]

105. The more I observe how she handles and overcomes all the obstacles put in her way...

...and her continued self-deprecating humour on the stump and on TV, the more I see someone truly presidential.

:woohoo: :kick: GO, HILLARY!

[Hoof Hearted]

260. By Grabthar's hammer, we shall be avenged! LOL. I have to quit watching cheesy movies.

I'm a nerd.:D

[No Blood for Hubris]

293. Yess!

Never give up! Never surrender!

[Chovexani]

30. All three!

National and international!

:woohoo:

[enid602]

31. Hill

I can see why the Obama supporters have been trying so long to get her to back out of the race.

[RememberWellstone]

32. K&R

Lets rollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[judaspriestess]

34. CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY!!

:toast:

[littlebit]

37. What a great night!!

:toast::toast::toast:

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[GoldieAZ49]

38. Looks like all that hoping for change worked!

congrats to Hillary and her supporters

[formerroadie]

162. no change here... sounds like same ol same ol

haha.... she won't bring any change. The Republicans will work hard to stop her from passing anything, that is if she can get past McCain, which I don't believe she can for a second. Anyway, when house and senate seats come up, the Democrats will lose the majority and the Republicans will do everything in their power to stall her so called move for "change". Why do people think she can do any of these things with her reputation and history... makes no sense at all....

[lark]

194. Why would you say that?

Bill brought about great change in America's direction and fortunes. Hillary is more liberal than Bill, but every bit the hands on administrator that he was. I know the right wing will fight like hell, but I feel confident she'll definitely makes changes. The Repugs will fight Obama every bit as hard, but I don't feel at all confident that he would fight back effectively. I think he is the one that could be destroyed by the right wing slim machine and even if he survives, which is highly doubtful, and wins the GE, that his over-confidence and thinking that everyone should just annoint him would lead to governmental paralysis and no change at all. The right wing will not play nice, it's not just that they hate Hillary, but they really hate America too. They only want the fortunes of the top 1% to grow, they don't give a damn about the constitution.

[melissinha]

39. Not necessarily in Texas

Obama supporters turned out big time in the caucus, he may win some very important delegates from the caucuses..... 1/3 are apportioned at caucus and if my precinct is any indication they may just break even delegatewise in Texas....

[amborin]

40. Yeah, Hillary! Our next President!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lucinda]

42. WOOOOOO HOOOOOO!

:party:

[CatnHat]

43. WELL DONE!!

HILLARY!!!

:applause: :toast: :woohoo: :applause:

:woohoo: :applause: :party: :party:

:yourock: :yourock: :bounce: :woohoo:

:party: :toast: :applause:

[Raffi Ella]

46. YES YES YES

THANK YOUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS HILLARY!

[zabet]

51. Thanks Maddy!

Great night!!!!

Didja hear that loud squealing crash?
It was the Obamtrak derailing. }(

:patriot:!!!HILLARY!!!:patriot:

[struggle4progress]

52. " .... a race . too close to call .... overall voter turnout . set a state record .... In Collin

County, one of the most Republican counties, Democratic turnout was five times . normal .... voters . still waiting in line . two hours after . polls . scheduled to close ...."http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8V7322G0.html

[Justice Is Comin]

53. Hallelujah friend.

Let's re-do Michigan and Florida too if they want.

We can make the loss of almost every must-win big state, official. People are restoring my faith in finally learning from their mistakes.

[Maribelle]

92. No re-dos. One million seven hundred thousand Democratic voices have spoken.

They deserve their voices to be heard, regardless. Their votes have been counted and are recorded in the historical archives of the State of Florida.

[lark]

196. Voted once in FL, will do it again, but

no caucuses, just primaries where everyone gets to vote. After all, one person one vote is a major democratic value.

[TacticalPeek]

59. Keep the faith, baby.

:kick:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

61. WTG ... Congrats to HRC!

[Beacool]

63. Yep, thank you TX, OH & RI

Also thank you those in VT who voted for Hillary.


Watch out Obama, our girl is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:bounce:

[Asia Expat]

65. Thanks Maddy.

What a great night!!!

I hope all goes well for you next week.

[LulaMay]

67. As Ohio goes, so goes the country! YEA!!!!!

[N4457S]

183. Yes. As Ohio Goes...

...so goes the country. That's what worries me.

I lived there thirty years, and everyone I know who still lives there watches Fox News. The guy I work with is gay, and his parents who still live in Cincinnati watch Fox News. His brother watches Fox News. His sister is apolitical and probably won't vote at all.

I could possibly have seen Ohio going for Obama. I can't see it going for Hillary. At all. Ever.

[casus belli]

68. Obama 12, Hillary 3. Yay for you. n/t

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

69. ***************************** MORE STARS!!!!!! *****************************

*****8*8*8888888***star*

LOL...I love how twisted the knickers get on this site.

Thanks for posting, Maddy.


******K&R!******

[Maddy McCall]

70. ******************** Thanks for the stars!!! ******************

I love stars!!

:hug:

***************** thank you for the k/r ***************

[BoneDaddy]

164. "She who must be obeyed" ?

wow, that name says it all.

[Phillycat]

168. That poster has had that name since before Hillary even considered running.

It's a private joe between she and her partner, the Magistrate. Damn, but you guys can take everything personally, can't you?

[BoneDaddy]

188. Actually I don't take it personally at all.

I just wondered why someone would even want that as a nick. I can understand a private joke, but it is provocative at the very least.

If you need a simple understanding of why, imagine the immediate judgements that would come to mind if a male used "He who should be obeyed". Given the often sensitive nature of gender discussions on this board, it seems instigatory.

Back to the taking things personally. That describes this board in a nutshell...outrage/offended R US.

[Chovexani]

271. Here's a hint

LURK MOAR.

[BoneDaddy]

301. Ah riddles

please expound oh wise one.

[Hoof Hearted]

266. Says the guy who's name is Bone Daddy!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[BoneDaddy]

268. I can only imagine what your mind conjured up

The funny thing is it is a reference to Tim Burton's character Jack the Pumpkin King in Nightmare Before Christmas. His nickname is bonedaddy. What were you thinking? Curious minds want to know.

[Hoof Hearted]

309. Honey my mind only crawls out of the gutter long enough for beer and cookies.

some days.

[BoneDaddy]

329. LOL

Bud and Oreo's or Amstel and Famous Amos?

[nonconformist]

71. WHOO HOOO!! nt

[TankLV]

72. YES! YES! YES!!!!

HA!

[publicatlarge]

73. Fabulous!!

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Go Hillary!!

[William769]

76. K&R!

[LizW]

77. K & R!!!

[Perry Logan]

78. And after the Obamites have been so nice.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

80. Yes! Tres cool!

:-)

[Autumn]

81. That's what I love about Hillary

they just can't knock her down.:kick:

[LucyParsons]

82. As a Kucinich supporter, this disappoints me terribly.

I still can't figure out who these people are who are voting for the DLC. It boggles the mind.

[LostinVA]

90. I'm a DSA lesbian, my wife is a more moderate Dem

My mother is a Dem and a RN, my Dad is a Republican who likes HRC's economic pragmatism, my best friend is a leftie librarian.

That's some of us.

[kwenu]

285. What is a DSA lesbian?

[LostinVA]

83. I HAD to go to bed at 1230 -- I should have stayed up a little later!

I staggered to the computer at 6:15 and checked the results -- yay!!!

[Beausoir]

88. This is what I like with my morning coffee!! In it to win! In it to win!

It's great to back a fighter and a winner!

[Maribelle]

89. ***************Hillary supporters are stars***************

And Hillary is one of the most massive stars known

[Maribelle]

100. Has anyone noticed how Hillary looks best in Red?

:bounce:

[rodeodance]

93. LOVELY photes--thank you

[rodeodance]

94. REC

[libbygurl]

The victories were really sweet!

:kick: :bounce: :toast: :woohoo:

[rodeodance]

95. ~~~YES SHE WILL~~YES WE WILL~~~

[George II]

255. 'YES SHE WILL" - I doubt it, Obama would never offer her the VP slot.

[IdClaire]

101. YES! Go Hillary!

I am so happy today! She wins the big states. Go baby Go!

[Miss Chybil]

106. K/R!

[susankh4]

107. Beautiful Post!

Thanks for the pics!!

[SeaLyons]

108. Thanks Maddy

Isn't it wonderful???? YES SHE WILL!!!!!

Madame President

[qnr]

110. She did it!

I knew she would pull it off. The people here in Texas love her and Bill.

[FloriTexan]

123. Not everyone here loves Bill and Hillary so much.

Just a little over half of those who voted. Its also looking like the other half took the time to get out and vote again for our choice to make up the difference in delegate count.

[rodeodance]

232. too bad

[blm]

114. The CLOSED GOVERNMENT wing of the Dem party is SO HAPPY Bushes will get their protection

continued no matter what, McCain or Clinton will make sure of that.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

YEAH......Bushes secrecy and privilege will continue and some Dems couldn't be happier.

[bpeale]

119. awww, someone musta pissed in your cornflakes

[blm]

121. awww...someone deep-sixes matters that led to Bush2, 9-11, and Iraq war and you want a repeat.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

And you don't care how it blows back on the rest of us who DO prefer open government accountable to the people.

[bpeale]

126. NO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T CARE HOW IT BLOWS BACK

ON THE REST OF YOU. and i don't have to buy any argument you are trying to sell. i can give you negatives about obama too.

my vote matters to me, and only to me.

[Beausoir]

122. It's not piss...it's sour grape juice.

[Name removed]

137. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[blm]

140. Jackson Stephens brought BCCI into this country, staked WalMart and bankrolled Bushes and Clintons.

CIA drugrunning was part of IranContra-BCCI matters that were contnually deep-sixed throughout the 90s. And we're supposed to pretend that it was all pure coincidence.

[Sadie5]

178. Take it like a man

Now we understand why Hillary was supposed to back out of the race. The Os knew their golden kid was going to get beat bad.Thanks Maddy.


GO HILLARY-Woo Hoo!!!

[blm]

189. Siding with closed government is the act of COWARDS afraid to BE CITIZENS.

That is your choice. If you want the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes protected by Clintons into the next decade, just say so. You'll find there are others who call themselves Dems who agree with you and will support your decision.

[Sadie5]

281. blm

Get over it, Obama lost. You seem to be going into meltdown over his loss. When Hillary was on the downside you really rubbed it in to us Hill losers. The shoe is now on the other foot.When you quit telling lies about Hillary then we Hillary supporters will quit telling the truth about Obama.

[blm]

332. Hillary can't win because she CAN"T win - there is nothing to "take'. And further you can't name one

lie ever put up by me concerning the Clintons.

You all are the ones incapable of dealing with the truth about the Clintons protection of the Bushes. You shrug and PRETEND that protection had no consequences for this country or for our party.

You all NEED to lie to yourselves every day in order to support the Clintons who would never lift a finger for any one of you or our party if it meant hurting BushInc.

[rodeodance]

146. You are OFF topic---of the OP. Start your own thread please.

[FogerRox]

166. I'm an Obama supporter but give the HIllary fans their night.

really off topic, OMG.

[Raffi Ella]

115. lol

I'm so happy this morning I can't stand it.

THANK YOU TEXAS, RHODE ISLAND and OHIO!


Go Hillary GO

[Scriptor Ignotus]

116. congrats. - nt

[Mark Twain Girl]

118. ********** Heh, Maddy, you're awesome -- some stars for your great night!! **********

[Maddy McCall]

241. Thank you, MTG!!!

Here are some stars for you! :hi:

[Politicub]

128. Fantastic! I didn't think she could pull it off but she did

What a fighter!

[formerroadie]

160. unfortunate

yeah, it's unfortunate that people like her style of dirty politics. Her campaign in the last month or so has gotten just downright dirty. If that's what wins elections still, then I am officially fed up with all of this crap. Clintolitics is old hat and we really need to look to the future and not the past. Welcoming big business and special interests back to the democratic presidential office... WOOHOO! I don't get the attraction...

[Danieljay]

129. If she wins the nomination, plan on seeing her ass handed to her on a plate by McCain

and 8 more years of Republican rule.

Facts is facts.

[barb162]

139. Nope, she's got the guts and smarts to fight him off and win.

[Danieljay]

141. Nope. She's got the politics and the smarts, but she aint got the votes. n/t

[Maribelle]

142. Hillary has the Democrats. More Democratic voters prefer her over Obama ...

in case you hadn't noticed.

[Danieljay]

154. And all those she pissed off using negative campaigning against Obama will stay home. She loses

against McCain in damn near any poll out there.

This whole process is going to turn off voters big time. I'm sickened by her politics, they are damn near the level of Karl Rove.

[Maribelle]

155. This morning, Hillary now leads in the Popular Vote. More Americans have voted for her!!!.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D.phtml

[Sybbis]

200. Bingo. That's the ballgame, right there.

So much for the whining about superdelegates and all that rot.

If she wins the popular vote, she wins the nomination. Same for him. The End.

[FloriTexan]

159. Do you include the republicans who

voted for her to keep the democratic party in confusion?

[libbygurl]

177. Don't you really mean, the Republicans who voted for OBAMA?

Hillary's very, very strong among the true Democratic base, if you still haven't noticed/ignored the many articles posted on this fact yet.

[FloriTexan]

199. Who do YOU consider the "true democratic base?"

Because I obviously need to be reminded where I stand. Frankly, I welcome those republicans and independents who cast an honest vote in the democratic primary, regardless of who they voted for; but I was actually referring to the republicans who specifically voted for Clinton on Rush Limbaugh's marching orders. Sorry I didn't make that clear. I'm hoping it is still true that those that did in Texas now can't vote Republican in the main election; but wouldn't it be nice to know what percentage of those votes were responsible for her winning "landslide" in Texas. :sarcasm:

I'm also not sure how Maribele figures "more Americans voted for her." Seems to me that most of them voted for someone else, i.e., Obama, Edwards, McCain, Huckabee....

[libbygurl]

302. So which is it, really: If Repubs did vote for HC in TX by virtue of RL's marching orders (teehee),

...you don't welcome those crossovers? (highly doubtful, in my view) But if Repubs voted for O bigtime in the open primaries (well-known observation out there), you welcome them?

Do clear up my confusion: are you not contradicting yourself here? Only some Repubs are welcome - those voting for BO? All are welcome? Or none?

Oh, stop making sense - not.

[barb162]

158. Just watch her the next few races. Despite huge spending by Obama

Clinton trounced him yesterday.

[formerroadie]

157. agreed

I agree with this. Hillary will lose most if not all of the Republican moderate votes that Obama has won and will lose many democratic votes (like my own). I will not vote for another 4 years of the same two families running this country. I am 35 now... most of my life has been Bush/Clinton in terms of politics..... Can't we just move on? sheesh....

[mculator]

130. KICK!

[Hawkeye-X]

131. Except for one thing...

SHE LOST THE NOMINATION - 90% OR MORE MUST GO TO HILLARY'S WAY FROM NOW UNTIL AUGUST - NOW A VIRTUAL IMPOSSIBILITY!!!

[libbygurl]

202. LOL. Couldn't you use just a little bit BIGGER font than that?

I still can't read it, see. Being old and doddering and all...

LOL! Stop screaming already in ALL CAPITALS with HUMONGOUS FONT!

[femrap]

132. K and R...

What a great day! And in Ohio we even got to vote for HRC on a PAPER BALLOT!!

[Cameron27]

135. Cheers to the lunch bucket Democrats!

K&R

[ProgressIn2008]

180. LOL, indeed, as I read this eating my bucket lunch!

K&R for the lunch bucket Dems!

[barb162]

136. GO HILLARY! Hurray! K & R!

A great, great day for the country, yes ma'am!

[question everything]

138. Go, Hillary, Go!

Are there still DUers who call on her to step down for the "good of the party?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4862130

And the fact that Texas may give more delegates to Obama will just highlight the crazy system, it may just convince more Democrats in upcoming primaries on how unfairly she has been treated by the African American wing of the party.

If, indeed, African Americans voters in Texas got more delegates than Latinos, and if members of the African American Congressional Caucus will continue to pressure others to vote for "the brother," as they have been reported to do, this will back fire.

[Baby Snooks]

143. Not all of it..

Looks like she only took half of it.

[not_too_L8]

150. If you consider that....

She was ahead 20 points in Texas and 15 points in Ohio just a few weeks ago.
She did not do that well.

It is actually Obama that accomplished a gain...

[stillrockin]

151. And all she had to do was

lie about NAFTA and endorse John McCain over Obama. What a gal!

[formerroadie]

163. anything...

yeah.. she's really an anything to win kind of person..... I don't get the attraction.

[Maddy McCall]

174. poor baby.

:(

[Politicalboi]

258. Your right and all these

Hillbots who complained in 2000 see nothing wrong in trying to steal elections with negative attacks and lawyers. Now it matters not then. She still won't get the black vote and she will lose big time to McCain.

[mculator]

152. Re kick!

[CyberPieHole]

161. K&R for Hillary Clinton the 44th President of the U.S. of A. n/t

:kick:

[GihrenZabi]

167. Hillary didn't win.

Obama has INCREASED his lead in pledged delegates since before last night's election.

All hail the spin machine...Hillary is just handing this election to McCain. The only way she can win the nomination is through smoke-filled-room political chicanery at a brokered convention, and that effectively means alienating all the young people who joined the process just to support Obama and disillusioning them for Lord knows how long, and driving moderates and independents over to McCain.

People seem to be forgetting how polarizing she is...once again, the Democrats are losing a general election which is theirs to lose, and all so Hillary can pursue her own, private desire for power.

[CyberPieHole]

169. Yes, Hillary DID WIN. 3 states last night. Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas. Obama LOST...

because people are beginning to see that the Chicago Charlatan offers nothing but empty Hopes and Dreams.

[awaysidetraveler]

217. Hillary didn't win Texas. Check CNN: 56% of the Caucus goes to Obama, meaning he won Texas.

There aren't two Texas elections; there's one Texas election with two parts.

Obama gained 4 delegates over Hillary in the Texas election.

Texas Primary: Clinton 64/ Obama 60
Texas Caucus: Obama 35/ Clinton 32

Hillary gained 15 delegates over Obama in Ohio

Ohio Primary Clinton 77/ Obama 62/ Edwards 2

The Vermont and RI Primaries canceled one another out.

Vermont Primary: Obama 9/ Clinton 6

Rhode Island Primary: Clinton 12/Obama 9

HRC's base is rallying around the Pyrric victory of eleven delegates.

Congratulations on her Ohio win, which shows that indeed she is a formidable political figure,
but please realize that this is not the victory Hillary needed to win the election.


Ty

[libbygurl]

179. LOL! You must be dizzy from all that spinning!

nt

[awaysidetraveler]

218. Obama won Texas.

With four delegates projected so far... maybe more. Check CNN.

[CatnHat]

187. OBAMA LOST

HILLARY WON--she is now ahead in popular votes. Obama supporters can spin all they want, in the end, the democratic nominee WILL be Hillary Clinton.

[awaysidetraveler]

219. Obama won Texas. It's not spin.

There aren't two Texas elections; there's one Texas election with two parts.

Obama gained 4 delegates over Hillary in the Texas election.

Texas Primary: Clinton 64/ Obama 60
Texas Caucus: Obama 35/ Clinton 32

Hillary gained 15 delegates over Obama in Ohio

Ohio Primary Clinton 77/ Obama 62/ Edwards 2

The Vermont and RI Primaries canceled one another out.

Vermont Primary: Obama 9/ Clinton 6

Rhode Island Primary: Clinton 12/Obama 9

HRC's base is rallying around the Pyrric victory of eleven delegates.

Congratulations on her Ohio win, which shows that indeed she is a formidable political figure,
but please realize that this is not the victory Hillary needed to win the election.

[NoPasaran]

170. ****K****n****R****

It was a great night and this is a great thread, once I took out the trash.

[brokensymmetry]

172. Congratulations, Hillary!

I like Mrs. Clinton - I think she would make a great
President. One we could be proud of. One we could
put our trust in.

And, if I may say so - I think she's beautiful.

K&R!!!

[Johnny Potpie]

182. No way!

I'm disappointed by the way Hillary has conducted herself lately. And I cannot, and will not support her. There was a time I could. But it is apparent that Obama is the candidate we need to change the political discourse in this country. I think Hillary's current hero-worship of John McCain has made it apparent to me that Hillary intends to burn the party to the gorund if she won't get her way. I say screw her!

[George II]

249. "I say screw her!"

Not ME and, apparantly, not Bill either!

[VotesForWomen]

184. yep; go hill! she's won the most important states. nt

[mckara]

191. Winning By Taking the Low Road

I can't believe any democrat is proud of the Clinton campaign. To me, they're DISGUSTING!

[Johnny Potpie]

192. That's exactly it!

That's what I'm talking about. When the Clinton campaign has to resort to fraud, outright lies, fear-mongering, and such, how can they be proud? I get scared when I see my fellow Democrats buy into this Bush-Rovian style campaign stuff. What's happening to our party? I thought we believed in change? I thought we believed in hope? Instead we have people supporting the same old, same old. And Hillary is just that and worse. She has come out and has basically endorsed a Repuke for the Presidency if she can't have her way. :puke:

[amborin]

195. Hillary == Our next President

[CatnHat]

198. K&R

[Politicalboi]

259. You mean

John McCain

[Capt. America]

201. An Obama fan gives Hillary her props on winning.....

...2 1/2 states (caucus not counted yet) so far on Tuesday. However, I wonder if the Hillary fans (or Hillary herself) will acknowledge Obama's victories if he wins the upcoming "small" states of Mississippi and Montana? For some reason, Hillary and her fans did not consider Obama's victories in Kansas, Idaho, Washington, Nebraska, etc. as "real" victories because they were only "small" states. If I'm not mistaken, Hillary did not acknowledge Obama's victory in Vermont in her victory speech last night. I know she did not acknowledge his wins in the Potomac primary. How about showing a little class Hillary? Oh, and by the way, we are all Democrats on the same team, you might not want to use Rovian scare tactics in your ads.

[awaysidetraveler]

224. Obama won Texas: There ain't no two Texas elections; there's one Texas election with two parts.

There ain't no two Texas elections; there's one Texas election with two parts.

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/...

Obama gained 4 delegates over Hillary in the Texas election, and he won 56% of the caucus. That puts him over in the popular vote as well.

Texas Primary: Clinton 64/ Obama 60
Texas Caucus: Obama 38/ Clinton 30

Hillary gained 15 delegates over Obama in Ohio

Ohio Primary Clinton 77/ Obama 62/ Edwards 2

The Vermont and RI Primaries canceled one another out.

Vermont Primary: Obama 9/ Clinton 6

Rhode Island Primary: Clinton 12/Obama 9

HRC's base is rallying around the Pyrric victory of eleven delegates,
which promises to divide our party.

[nvme]

203. Congrats to Hillary

You won! I am impressed how you run as a rebuplican ala Karl Rove tactics. impressive. There will be a day of reckoning within the party for your negative tactics. Fear mongering "IS MORE OF THE SAME". Since you openned that door, the rest of us have no choice but to follow your lead. Praising John McCain's experience will hurt you. You will make it harder for Us Obamites to vote for you. I hope you find the independents. Because the longer you continue negative, the greater the divide will be and the less likely it will be to reconcile our party in Denver. Remember, Obama carries more pledged delegates. That's the fact! with a solid month to prepair it is not going to be a cakewalk especially since you have sunken to the level of a sewer rat by playing by Bush's rules of engagement with praise for a Republican to the detriment of a Democrat. Your tax returns will play, Bill dubai connections are fair game and your lobbyist PAC money is there for all to see. Its makes a better story when the press spotlight shines on you while you get a good kneecapping from those you alienate.
So good luck with your 3rd quater touchdown. You earned it!

[Name removed]

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[Seabiscuit]

205. But... but... look what it did to poor Tweety:

[awaysidetraveler]

211. Apparently, Hillary Clinton Lost Texas. CNN corrects for a 56% lead favoring Obama!

Obama gained 4 delegates over Hillary in Texas.

Texas Primary: Clinton 64/ Obama 60
Texas Caucus: Obama 38/ Clinton 30

Hillary gained 15 delegates over Obama in Ohio

Ohio Primary Clinton 77/ Obama 62/ Edwards 2

The Vermont and RI Primaries canceled one another out.

Vermont Primary: Obama 9/ Clinton 6

Rhode Island Primary: Clinton 12/Obama 9

HRC's base is rallying around this Pyrric victory.

Congratulations on her win, which shows that indeed she is a formidable political figure,
but please realize that this is not the victory Hillary needed to win the election.


Ty

[George II]

212. Only 101 more to go to catch Obama....

Obama's in great shape - he needs only 462 more for the nomination.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

213. k

:kick:

[parkeradison]

220. regarding "Go Hillary"

Don't get too excited because it's not over yet. Obama still has a significant lead in delegates. And, he should be favored to win more of the remaining states than Hillary. But then, with a little "Clinton magic" with Florida and Michigan, Obama could find himself bamboozled.

[Maddy McCall]

225. "Clinton magic?'

Enfranchising 2.5 million voters is "Clinton magic?"

Glad to know that Obama supporters stand for disfranchisement.

[kwenu]

221. The Superdelegates will intervene to stop the primary...

if the attacks continue based upon issues other than policy (i.e. racism, sexism, religious predjudice.) They will not allow the campaigns to destroy the party. Hillary cannot catch Obama in the delegate count unless she wins 97% of the remaining delegates. SDs will also likely vote in accordance with their districts. Hillary is not going to head the Democratic ticket without a miracle or cheating or both.

[rainman99]

222. You're very welcome. It was a LONG night.

[rucognizant]

223. And she has been so slimed by Rush Limbaugh I am still gasping!

And Wolf Blitzer, is making sure it gets around. Tune in to the Situation Room and I'm sure you will hear it several times!
I have called Sen. Collins office. Tomorrow, I will call EVERY FEMALE SENATOR..................
Rush said " Hillary is on top now; a position she is familiar with."
This is so sick & debauched, WHAT must the mature adults in other countries around the world think of us?
Sen. Clinton is a US Senator! She is a former First Lady!
They are so carried away with themselves they have descended into the 4th level of HELL instead of being the 4th estate!
This is so much worse than Imus gaffe, limbaugh MUST be fired too. And wolf blizer at least needs a good swift kick in the you know what!
I have e-mailed cnn, called cnn......will find limbaugh & call there tomorrow!
I am far from a prude, .......Funny you never know what your flash point will be until it happens.
This is my tea in the harbor to the Corporate Media!
Take action!

[penndragon69]

226. So long Billery McLiberman..

Sleeping with the president and gov. does not create leadership ability. Back seat governing does not create wisdom. Knowing all the first ladies of the world does not make you a diplomat, maybe a good shopper and sight seer.

If she is so wise, why could she not read the title stating that the bill was an authorization for use of force against Iraq? She and her Krove Jr. minions have been digging deep for any dirt they can throw at Obama and has her Media pals get it out just before a primary.

Stop hiding your dirty laundry Billary, show use the tax returns that you refuse to release.....hiding something are we?

Hillary is the best candidate to help Mclame win. I say we need a leader with vision, not an old Politician with deep lobbyist agendas to meet.

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Do the right thing for the party and step aside......your time has past!

[DDQ]

227. I Love Her and just sent her more money for the next phase

I hope she raises tons of money after last night's wins.

Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raffi Ella]

330. YES,GO HILLARY!!!!

Welcome to D.U. :hi: The first thing I did after she won Ohio was go donate to her campaign!

[Maddy McCall]

228. Kick, because obviously some Obama supporters....

like HawkeyeX just can't handle it.

[Johnny Potpie]

230. Can't handle what?

Hillary is not likely going to catch up with the delegate count. And she's using scorched Earth policies on the way out. Reference her comments about McCain vs. Obama. It's vile.

[natrat]

229. omg dont all the republican links scare the fuck out of you, they certainly should

[rodeodance]

231. Now the evening says she took 3 states!! --yes she did

[Maddy McCall]

233. No matter how Obama supporters want to distort it...

she's getting big mo' from her 3 victories yesterday.

I think the Obama hangover has begun.

[rodeodance]

235. Yes. she is--all over with am newspapers and now the evening news. People know she took 3

[kwenu]

242. Big mo for what? She will not capture 97% of the remaining delegates.

So she will not overtake Obama.

[snappyturtle]

236. Hate to tell you what I heard on NPR at five o'clock. Looks like Hillary

will get 95 delegates to Obama's 98 in Texas. I think it's one up then. They also predicted since VT and RI cancel each other out that she'll net between 4 to 10 delegates for all of the voting yesterday. Not much of a dent in Obama's delegate lead. It's all about delegates...that's pretty obvious with Sen. Clinton's efforts to take MI and FL delegates, if she can maneuver that.

[kwenu]

243. Absolutely true. Obama takes majority of Texas delegates. But she's got mo?

[snappyturtle]

276. I know.....I guess it's safe to say that we all don't think alike!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Politicalboi]

238. And she even had the

Nerve to say she won Fl and Mi last night. She won't beat McCan't without the black vote if she steals it from Obama so enjoy your Trifecta while it lasts.

[kwenu]

244. I haven't heard a single Black person say they won't vote for the Dem nominee.

Unlike some other groups who have racial or gender hangups.

[goclark]

257. Uum, I'm not exactly there yet but I won't give a dime or my time

to help the Democratic Party if she is the nominee.

I'm sure they won't miss me because I'm a proud African American and I don't count.

All of my friends feel exactly as I do ~ we are through if the negative evil deeds don't stop and that isn't going to happen.

Power and greed rule the day.

God bless America!

[kwenu]

286. I'm with you on that.

[amborin]

240. Hillary, your brilliance is dazzling, you are astonishing!!!!!!!

[George II]

248. ********HILLARY LOSES TEXAS! *********

[Hoof Hearted]

254. Just another WOOT WOOT! For HIllary!

I'm still stoked!

What a great night that was.

[dschmott]

263. Hillary Failed - net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the state

David --

Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183.

That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted.

For comparison, that's less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.

The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead.

They failed.

It's clear, though, that Senator Clinton wants to continue an increasingly desperate, increasingly negative -- and increasingly expensive -- campaign to tear us down.

That's her decision. But it's not stopping John McCain, who clinched the Republican nomination last night, from going on the offensive. He's already made news attacking Barack, and that will only become more frequent in the coming days.

Right now, it's essential for every single supporter of Barack Obama to step up and help fight this two-front battle. In the face of attacks from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, we need to be ready to take them on.

Will you make an online donation of $25 right now?

https://donate.barackobama.com/math

The chatter among pundits may have gotten better for the Clinton campaign after last night, but by failing to cut into our lead, the math -- and their chances of winning -- got considerably worse.

Today, we still have a lead of more than 150 delegates, and there are only 611 pledged delegates left to win in the upcoming contests.

By a week from today, we will have competed in Wyoming and Mississippi. Two more states and 45 more delegates will be off the table.

But if Senator Clinton wants to continue this, let's show that we're ready.

Make an online donation of $25 now to show you're willing to fight for this:

https://donate.barackobama.com/math

This nomination process is an opportunity to decide what our party needs to stand for in this election.

We can either take on John McCain with a candidate who's already united Republicans and Independents against us, or we can do it with a campaign that's united Americans from all parties around a common purpose.

We can debate John McCain about who can clean up Washington by nominating a candidate who's taken more money from lobbyists than he has, or we can do it with a campaign that hasn't taken a dime of their money because we've been funded by you.

We can present the American people with a candidate who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with McCain on the worst foreign policy disaster of our generation, and agrees with him that George Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or we can nominate someone who opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning and will not support a march to war with Iran.

John McCain may have a long history of straight talk and independent thinking, but he has made the decision in this campaign to offer four more years of the very same policies that have failed us for the last eight.

We need a Democratic candidate who will present the starkest contrast to those failed policies of the past.

And that candidate is Barack Obama.

Please make a donation of $25 now:

https://donate.barackobama.com/math

Thank you,

David

David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
Obama for America

[Hoof Hearted]

269. Spin baby SPIN! Obamas national polls are falling like a Chicago gangster with cement shoes

in the rivah!


Why on earth would I give a flying fuck about anything the Obama campaign manager said? That's just dumb. You wasted your time.

[George II]

348. I'd say Hillary Clinton was going down faster than Monica, but.......that would be crude

[elixir]

262. Way to go Hillary!!! All the way to Denver!!

[penndragon69]

273. Mexico loves you Billary..

Just make sure you pass out the green cards and cut the ribbon for the Nafta super highway yourself.

All the poor working folks in the Midwest are looking forward to a new flood of illegals from south of the border.

Even McDonald's will be going back to slave wage mentality.

Step off the train before you hand the election to Mcsham.

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[Johnny_Cargo]

267. Hillary will be our next president

..and what a great president she will be!!!

[Maddy McCall]

272. Welcome to DU, Johnny!

:toast:

[Hoof Hearted]

312. Welcome to DU, don't let the raw savagery get to you.

And thanks for your support of Hillary!

[Name removed]

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[Kermitt Gribble]

280. K&R!

Go Hillary!!!

Great post, Maddy!

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[boppers]

287. ********CAUCUSES DON"T COUNT! IGNORE THEM!!!!********

Here, have some more asterisks: ******************************************

[BlueJac]

288. There is nothing as pathetic as a Hillary gloater

She is still behind and a worthless McCain supporter!!!


Bill was and still is a jerk, just like Hillary!! Republican lite!!!! I can't believe so called Democrats fall for that kind of shit. Fool'em once, twice, three times. I call you out of touch with reality!

[Maddy McCall]

289. There is nothing more pathetic than a bitter little person...

who feels it necessary to enter a positive thread that says not a single negative word about your candidate, with the goal to disrupt it.

Those 85 recs must really get under your skin.

Too bad.

Bye.

[Name removed]

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[Maddy McCall]

299. You're not as clever as you think you are.

Why do you keep this up when EVERY nasty sexual comment you've made to me in this thread has already been deleted. As soon as your comment was deleted, you posted it again. Are you that dense?

You've had four sexual comments deleted.

I know what you're doing now. You think you can sneak this past the mods but still get to me. That won't work, either.

[Name removed]

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[bridgit]

297. OMG! You guys aren't happy when you win, not happy when you lose...

Let's just fact it, shall we. BO supporters just aren't happy people. They're mean spirited, spiteful, and filled with insatiable hate-hate-hate-hate...

I continue to maintain that BO does not deserve some of you all...or maybe he does, for empowering such a bitter, hateful element in this country.

[Mimosa]

298. The Republic: OVER when Hillary is Crowned

I wrote on another topic: It makes me sick to think about how the clintons started out as economically middle class and have leveraged themselves into the SUPER- RICH ECONOMIC CLASS. Think about it: Abe Lincoln died as poor as when he got into the Presidency. He wouldn't pay to play.

The Clintons will 'revise' their tax returns. We'll never see the real thing. The system protects the RICH. Am I right?

Hillary and Bill have no interest in the welfare of the American Middle Class. They keep showing it's all about POWER AND WEALTH to and for them. Who doubts it? Look what field their daughter chose for a career. Are all of us better off than we were before Bill and George sold American jobs to CHINA?

[bridgit]

300. pft, now you're just being silly

You want super-rich...keep your eye on where g.w. bush sets up his rocking chair and McCain already has

enjoy your stay here

[DemzRock]

If the Clintons didn't care about the middle class, then why did they give us the best economy ...

in history?

Longest peacetime expansion, I've heard it called.

Floated all boats not just the yachts.

[DemzRock]

305. If the Clintons didn't care about the middle class, then why did they give us the best economy ...

in history?

Longest peacetime expansion, I've heard it called.

Floated all boats not just the yachts.

[FedUp_Queer]

294. As far as I know, Hillary is not a Lesbian.

[Haole Girl]

296. Did you read this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4917335

[bloo]

306. heh heh that Al Franken

he wrote a book about lies and the lying liars who tell them...
or wait... was it David Geffen?

"everybody in politics lies, but they do it with such ease, it's troubling," geffen said of the clintons in a New York Times interview...

Now of course your job will be to convince people it's Barack Obama who's less than honest... then crow about HR's integrity - isn't that the strategy?

Was that the strategy of the "full battle regalia" outfit and story?

Nice.

I saw enough during the Clinton years. Whatever they are or are not, they are not very honest. I believe Barack is. Funny, he was one of the few who voted against the war when the information for the war was mostly just a bunch of lies, and not very convincing ones - they didn't convince me at all - and almost everyone seemed to get on board the ol' war bandwagon...

I kind of like honesty in a person.

[Radical Agitator]

313. Hillary cheered to victory among the majority of Democrats n/t

:toast:

[ExFreeper4Obama]

320. She will lose the delegate count in Texas

Thats the only thing that matters. Its mathematically over for Hillary

[WheresMyVoice]

327. Yep

Hill goes down -- cackle and all.

[amborin]

328. Hillary will make a brilliant, progressive president!!!!!!!

[amborin]

334. go Hillary!!!! you're the winner!!!!

[Seabiscuit]

335. Aw, what the heck... as if this thread needed another kick!

:kick:

[backscatter712]

336. DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!

How are those Texas caucuses working out for ya?

[Name removed]

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[alteredstate]

355. Texas isn't over yet.

n/t