If HRC gets nominated...we're doomed to lose. Everyone knows it.

[Ken Burch]

No good can EVER come of a HRC nomination. It means another bland, bleak, Mondale/Dukakis style "eat your spinach and lose like a good boy" campaign.

Why would anyone WANT to vote to give up hope.

Only a passionate candidate can win.

Only a charismatic candidate can win.

Only a passionate, charismatic candidate can be progressive if elected. A bland candidate has to be a conservative failure.

Only a candidate who brings in new voters can win.

Only a candidate who knows what poverty is like(which a community organizer can know but a yuppie lawyer can't care about) can win.

DON'T VOTE TO LOSE!

HRC means defeat. That's just reality.

Why risk it?

[Blue_State_Elitist]

1. She appears to be beating Obama in all the traditionally Republican areas.

[anonymous171]

5. I thought those didn't count?

Or do they only count if Hillary wins them?

[LisaL]

Everything will count in GE.

[CitizenRob]

66. Could this possibly be Limbaugh's influence?

He did request that the Repubs switch over to vote for Hillary to prop up a "weaker" candidate.

[leftynyc]

72. Meanwhile more pubs voted for

Sen Obama. Care to explain that?

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Then why did Obama lose tonight?

[TeamJordan23]

8. How did he lose? We will likely end up with more delegates. nm

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. Since he can't get enough delegates to win anything, they don't matter.

[LisaL]

3. Look at it state by state.

I see Hillary as more electable than Obama.
What states is Obama going to win in GE that Hillary won't?

[woolldog]

20. There was a huge thread devoted to this a few days ago,

answering that question exhaustively.

[moobu2]

Obama's finished, give it up

[LaPera]

4. The bubble has burst...It's now on to PA which will tell ALL.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. BULLSHIT. Hillary will kick McCain's ass! n/t

[Ken Burch]

45. She can't beat him later if she's losing to him now.

Democratic nominees NEVER come from behind to win. Truman was a fluke.

[MercutioATC]

Clinton will lose to McCain

Unless she has pictures of McCain fellating a poor pro-labor Muslim Latino Vietnam-era conscientious observer who wants universal healthcare and increased federal spending for alternative energy research, she loses. As much as some people really love her, more absolutely hate her.

Hel, I held my nose and voted for Kerry. I'd have a lot harder time justifying a vote for Clinton.

[Sulawesi]

7. Keep the faith...

With the lead, WY, MS, NC...she can have PA and Obama still wins the pledged delegates...

Her only strategy is to try to seat MI and FL and strong arm the supers...will not work...

Enjoy the night HRC supporters, this is short lived.

[LisaL]

12. Well, don't count your chickens before they hatch.

By the way, FL might get to re-vote.
What are you gonna say then?

[Sulawesi]

23. i can count..we're fine....

enjoy the evening.

[Trajan]

9. This is a ridiculously self serving declaration ....

Chicken Little is your muse ...

[Fresh_Start]

10. There is a difference between FACT and OPINION

your post and the Bush administration claims about WMD in Iraq were OPINIONS.

[LaPera]

11. The Republicans call it (us) "sour grapes"!

[meow mix]

13. its true. Hillary will lose the GE.

[TheDeathadder]

15. I hope to God Clinton wins.

I completely disagree with you. But then again I don't flood the board with pointless htreads like this on nights Obama wins. I have respect for others.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. a bland campagin with Hilllary?? The first woman also! w/Bill back in the white house?

Let's face it - a lot of people here would love to have Bill back. Many won't admit to it - but let's face it you secretly want it.

[Ken Burch]

41. UH...no...I don't

Bill coming back would have to mean the NEXT Democratic administration will be just as right-wing as his was.

Bill Clinton lost the right to call himself a Democrat for the rest of eternity when he not only signed the racist hate-inspired welfare bill but refused even to challenge the slanders on the poor that inspired it.

Democrats are NEVER supposed to stand against the powerless.

[Zhade]

46. Hear, hear.

NT!

[sanjiadem]

17. Spoken like a true any one but Hillary supporter

As a real Dem, I find your position not only biased, but sad .... because you are willing to dismiss the contributions of two fine Dems (Bill and Hillary) just to promote your candidate.

Pathetic!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. BAHHHHHHH ROARRRRRRR SNARFFFFF GARBLE GARBLE ROARRRRRR!!!!!!

[Hissyspit]

27. I'm not sure I am understanding why you characterize some posters as acting like

you have acted for all the time you have been here? Is it intended to serve as a criticism of them? Doesn't that then make it a criticism of you?

[barb162]

49. Hahahahaha. You got me almost crying here. Funny as hell!

Yeah, that's enough passion and all. LOL

:hi:

[557188]

19. you need to win Ohio to win the GE

Hillary is a better candidate in Ohio

All that other stuff you wrote is hilariously stupid.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. Nah, she'd win handily

[grasswire]

22. Isn't she bringing in new Latino voters?

That's what the boys and girls on MSNBC said, anyway.

[cynatnite]

24. We've got a winner...the most screwed up post of the night

:rofl:

[Ken Burch]

34. You're insulting Dr. King by putting his picture in your posts

While you support the unpopular conservative white candidate.

[cynatnite]

52. well, you're wrong about a few things...

she's not unpopular...the big states she's won proves that. The race isn't over and it's difficult to say for sure who will or won't win at this point. We all have our favorite candidate that we hope will win.

She's definitely not conservative...her voting record backs that up and to say so is just an outright lie.

She is white which I think everyone knows that. You're insinuating, disingenuously, that I am racist because of my support for her.

Keep in mind, sir, that Hillary Clinton has a solid civil rights record dating back to her junior year in college when MLK was killed.

Also, I DO NOT feel the need to denigrate anyone's candidate in order to feel better about my own. It's not necessary.

No matter who wins the nomination, Obama or Hillary, I will be damn proud to vote for him or her in the general election.

[saracat]

73. Yeah well, wasn't it interesting that MLK 111 endorsed John Edwards and not Obama?

And he "still" hasn't endorsed Obama.

[anamandujano]

38. My favorite line--

"Why would anyone WANT to vote to give up hope."

:rofl:

HELLO! It's a tired old slogan.

[Ken Burch]

47. No one walks away from HRC rallies feeling inspired.

You just walk away feeling bland.

She can't be popular in the fall.

[cynatnite]

56. Speak for yourself...

I feel very hopeful when I watch both of them speak. They are good speakers and both would make fine presidents.

You're projecting your negative emotions.

[Hepburn]

25. Hey, fine....at this point, if the Dems are stupid enough to pick Hillary...

...as our nominee, then we deserve President McCain.

I am tired of seeing the Dems nominate sure losers election after election. Why should 2008 be any different?

You want Hillary?? You got her?? Just don't be upset when she loses the GE, OK?

[saracat]

26. That is not really true.many people will NOT vote for Obama in the GE and that is a fact.

At the end of the day, Hillary actually stands a better chance against McCain.

[anonymous171]

29. More won't vote for Hillary, and that actually is a fact.

[jasmine621]

35. Not really true. Race issue will be huge in the GE, don't be fooled by

the Kumbya, feel-good primary crowds. There are huge numbers of folks who don't vote in primaries and they will come out in droves during the GE to be sure Obama doesn't win. On the other hand, theypretty much know Hillary, why they don't like her but may be willing to vote for her over McCain. And, Hillary will get a lot of women voters once the rubber hits the road.

[Ken Burch]

36. Everyone that would hate the idea of a black president would refuse to vote for a woman too.

It's not possible to be feminist AND racist.

[saracat]

71. Not so. it is possible to be racist and choose to vote for ANY non minority rather than

a person of color. And you are forgetting the large GOP women's vote that is likely to go to Hillary but wouldn't vote Obama in the GE. I know many folks like that.

[LisaL]

30. My feelings exactly.

[cynatnite]

32. I think both of them could easily beat McCain n/t

[splat]

33. He's old and she's got women voting in greater numbers than men, and for her

Even Republican women.

[casus belli]

37. And Hillary will energize the Republican base to turn out in droves...

another "fact". Your girl makes it in, every Republican in this fucking country turns out to vote against her. It's not something I expect you to agree with, but it's almost a certainty.

[barb162]

57. My GOP friend who always hated Hillary said she'd vote for HRC over Obama.

[casus belli]

70. You can't count on hypotheticals.

She's not voting for either, obviously, so you're proving my point.

Obama has appeal across party lines. Hillary is absolutely polarizing along party lines. I don't have any problem voting for her, but I also know that we stand a really good chance of getting slammed on turnout if she's the nominee.

[Mojorabbit]

68. I thought the polls

show her losing to McCain?

[barack the house]

28. Let's stay positive that is where we need to be for the next stage.

[ClayZ]

31. I am right there with you, Ken Burch!

K and R

[MagsDem]

39. He sure as hell can't beat McCain

Read it and weep....reality is just the opposite of what you claim. She is the ONLY one that can beat McCain.

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1325

[depakid]

40. Will kumbaya actually fight the far right? Can he?

I'd sure like to see some evidence of that.

THIS is why the Dems lose (even when we ostensibly win). Our "side" doesn't fight.

What I'd like to see is Obama the fighter -and not a bunch of sing along, let's all get along crap.

Not that I'd mind watching fools go down yet again -but I reckon there's a lot of innocents that self indulgent folks would be more than happy to bring down yet again -too.

Fight it out -and let the candidates prove their mettle.

Neither one is owed ANYTHING from ANYONE.

[Ken Burch]

50. If HRC didn't fight the right in the Senate, she can't fight them as pres.

Cutting deals with the Pugs means you can't be against them on anything that matters.

[depakid]

61. Who has Obama fought since he got promoted to the Senate? LOL

Please.

He's Harvard Law Review- yet he voted to limit Americans' rights to pursue abusive corporations in class actions!

Where was his high powered rhetoric when we needed it to stop extremists like Alito from a lfetime appointment on the federal bench?

Oh, I'm sorry -he had to go along to get along -so he criticized our fight -the accepted process of keeping extremists off the bench wasn't good enough, so instead of rallying the troops -instead of acting like a leader, he criticized the very people who tried to stop it.

Nice job of proving to all of us why he's be just the person to stand up to the far right.

[Zhade]

42. She won't, so don't worry. She's still far behind in both delegates and the popular vote.

NT!

[opihimoimoi]

43. Either one will prevail of the GOP Losership Party...the Cronies Factor will killum

[spoony]

44. No. Mr. "100 years in Iraq" CANNOT win against either BO or HRC

This defeatist bullshit is starting to get noisome. McCain is a doddering mental defective who couldn't inspire a turnout if he were running against bin Laden.

[TK421]

48. I think I'm going to have another scotch.....keep talking, please

[BenDavid]

51. I totally disagree.....hell you wanna ride the pony into the general

election. You wanna use the rookie and not the all star....HRC will defeat McCain using your own words:

Only a passionate candidate can win.

Only a charismatic candidate can win.

Only a passionate, charismatic candidate can be progressive if elected. A bland candidate has to be a conservative failure.

Only a candidate who brings in new voters can win.

Only a candidate who knows what poverty is like(which a community organizer can know but a yuppie lawyer can't care about) can win.DAMN! I think the last time she was a lawyer was in the 80's....

[Ken Burch]

53. After that she was a member of corporate boards.

Which makes my point even further.

Once you've sat in a boardroom, you don't have a soul. If you hang with Ceo's you can't care about the poor. It's just that simple.

[barb162]

54. Gee, I wonder how John Adams or Thomas Jefferson ever won.

NO Charisma!!!! NO Passion!!!!

[Ken Burch]

59. We didn't have universal suffage then.

And Adams was actually a fiery orator, from all accounts.

Jefferson's passion was in his writing.

[barb162]

63. Interesting point...but we had universal suffrage with both Bushes

and neither were passionate or charismatic, at least IMHO.

[ContinentalOp]

69. No TV!

[madville]

55. Went and checked out a couple of conservative websites

They are celebrating tonight, everyone at them is stoked that HRC and BO have to continue laying out millions to tear each other down all the way to August and the expected court battles that will happen also have them licking their chops. The only thing that seems to scare the Republicans right now is the thought of a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket. I just don't see how HRC is gonna catch Obama in delegates without tearing the party to shreds in the process but we will see.

[johnnydrama]

58. I think i'm changing my mind.

One of my main reasons for being pro Obama is that I truly think he has a better chance against McCain.

I'm just afraid of those Republican voters who will come out to vote against Hillary, who really don't want to vote for McCain.

But I'm now thinking that she will do anything to win. And I might not like that in the Democratic nominee process, but I'm sure gonna like it in the GE.

If she can keep some of the enthusiasm that Obama has created, maybe by having him be the VP nominee, than I think she still has a good chance.

[Lilith Velkor]

67. I think you are starting to get it.

You don't bring kumbaya to a knife fight. You bring a gun.

[HooptieWagon]

60. Amen, brother

Dukakis was more electable than she will be. november would be a disaster with her at the top of the ticket, not only would lose the "can't lose" presidential race, but all kinds of down-ticket races as well. And say goodbye to Dean and the 50-state strategy, as well.

[splat]

65. Obama would be torn to shreds by the flag-pin people vs. McC ain

Not to mention racism and Rezko and "He came out of nowhere."

Tonight was a good confirmation that DU's Obamathusiasts are not a reflection of offline America.

Hillary doesn't frighten them. And she's getting better at being relaxed under the lights. America will get used to her, and many will start rooting for her gumption.

[LulaMay]

62. Dem's have enormous turnout, in large part due to her. She;s winning key states, he isn't.

[leftstreet]

64. McCain will probably run as the CHANGE candidate n/t