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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:32 AM
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Memo to Obama: No More Mr. Nice Guy
It's time to take the gloves off and finish her campaign off. He needs to do to her what she did to him in these past weeks. He needs to bring out the fact that she has not released her tax records. That she has not released documents from her White House days. That she has shady donors as well. The Kerry 2004 "Let's Rise Above the Fray" strategy just does not work. It's time to start throwing punches back, and get on the offense.

In the end, this may be a blessing in disguise. How he responds to the Clinton campaign in the weeks to come will show his true mettle.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:33 AM
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1. But he WILL do it graciously. I think he knows this now. nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:39 AM
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6. His campaign is playing chess..
They're looking ahead about ten moves and Hillary is still in check.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:49 AM
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20. The number of times Kerry supporters spewed this self-congratulatory piffle
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 01:51 AM by PurityOfEssence
was unbelievable; it still echoes in my head.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:54 AM
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22. Do you disagree that's she's in check?
She can't win with her deligates. That's check.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:59 AM
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24. Thank you. I think that, too. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:36 AM
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2. He needs to mention:
1. Tax returns
2. Her lack of any foreign policy experience
3. Her lack of "superior" experience
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:40 AM
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8. Demand that they answer, are we getting a 2 for 1 deal with Bill. I hear that a lot, Bill will....
help her run the country. He needs to crush that talking line.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:37 AM
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3. He needs to show her the Chicago Way!
Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get Clinton! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:38 AM
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5. Thanks, Malone. n/t
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:30 AM
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32. Sean Connery's voice is now in my head...!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:38 AM
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4. Gee, ya think....
...listen up buttercups, politics is a mean, nasty business that thrives on below the belt punches, chairs over the back of the head and two-by-fours to the noggin. If you don't have the intestinal fortitude (otherwise known as guts) then go join the other losers in Loserville. Frankly, I fucking hate losing to the Republican smear machine and I don't want another soft candidate running for President. I want a brawler, one who'll mooda the bums.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:40 AM
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9. You can go negative without below the belt punches
Talking about one candidates weaknesses isn't the same as lying about their military records. There's enough truthful negativity for everyone so that we don't have to make shit up. We can go negative and maintain ethics.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:44 AM
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12. Think the other side will abide by that?
Notafatfuckingchanceinhell.
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Thurston Howell III Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:00 AM
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25. No way! I want Obama to come back covered with his opponent's blood!
That's the only way he's going to win. And stopping this bi-partisan crap.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:39 AM
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7. I want to hear how he is going to fix our economy.
Who cares about Hillary. We are beginning to look more and more screwed every day.

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:46 AM
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15. If He Cannot Respond To Hillary, Then He Has No Chance Against The Repubs
He has to answer her campaign in kind. He needs to take the fight to her.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:42 AM
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10. Obama please do not follow the lead of losers
If Kerry could throw a punch we would not have 4 more years of Bush. Its time to get tough. Its time to show who is in charge.

Take the fight to Hillary.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:48 AM
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19. Swiftboat tactics work especially well in Red States
as Texas and Ohio has proven!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:51 AM
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21. Yes it is time that Clinton was exposed.
Even if Obama wins a delegate or two today it is perfectly clear that voters want this to be nasty and sickening.

They want sick? Have a look at Clinton's past. Obama has plenty to play with.

Obama MUST give up any chance of being friends with Clinton in the future. He must destroy them politically for the sake of the future of the United States.

It is go time. No more being nice to Clinton.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:16 AM
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28. He needs to take off the gloves

It's time to play hardball.

This isn't a tea party. US presidential campaigns tend to get pretty vicious,
and nice guys don't finish first. I hope he has it in him.

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:42 AM
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11. Obama should realize this: he was effectively swiftboated in Texas and Ohio
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 01:51 AM by nebula
Hillary campaign has once again proven that appealing to the worst in people and their fears tends to work well in US politics, particularly in the redder states. Unless he starts adopting similar methods, give Hill a strong dose of her own medicine, he will wind up like John Kerry did--swiftboated into oblivion. Kerry tried taking the high road in 2004 and look where it got him.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:45 AM
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14. I think he was starting to focus his attention to McCain
When Hillary just side swept him this past week.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:44 AM
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13. He really can't afford to NOT be "Mr. nice guy." That's much of what
has gotten him as far as he has come. If he shows much negativity it will turn a lot of folks against him because they will see that is actually is everything he said he wasn't and just like the rest of the politicians. How on earth can he become what he accuses Hillary of being: divisive? Most of the negativity against Hillary is all used up. The media overplayed their hand in supporting Obama (yes, even KO), the republicans can only come up with more smears against Bill which the public is tired of, and the Dem Hillary haters are tired and worn out from their venom against her. The only thing that Obama has left is to be Mr. nice guy, be decent, and continue to offer hope. He looks weary to me and somewhat shocked. I think he was beginning to believe all the media hype about him and his movement. Reality has a way of smacking the shit out of you.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:04 AM
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37. No more Mr. Nice Guy. He wants to win. You can see it in his eyes. Come hell or high water, he
will do what it takes.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:46 AM
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16. *sigh* Yes, Mr. Nice Guy must go -- Hillary is about gutter fights and it must be done
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:47 AM
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17. You are sadly right.
Sadly America isn't ready for a nice campaign. Obama tried to run a nice campaign and paid the price to the machine's teeth.

The time for being Mr Nice Obama is past. The future of America is at stake!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:47 AM
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18. Oh, fine; unsheath your terrible swift sword. Dareth they resist?
Hell hath no fury like a savior scorned...
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:54 AM
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23. I can just see the Vince Foster ad now.
lol
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:00 AM
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26. Nah, he's classy. I don't see that happening. He'll finesse it. nt
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:05 AM
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38. I think it will be HRC's tax returns. We will soon find out.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:03 AM
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27. It would be nice to stay above that slime but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I guess one has to step in it and then try to get it off your shoe so as not to drag it into the house. I think that Clinton has just started with it if you must know. Frankly trying to clean up this govt. is not going to be easy. It is starting to look like the 'same old' group will be back in DC and the hope is fading. I have a problem here. I see little difference in Bush/Clinton. Look NAFTA was the first Bush baby and Clinton was going to do something about it. Face it is the time to get rid of the same old people.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:25 AM
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29. Obama's campaign is self~described as one of "change, hope and unity"
Obama has said he is a different type of candidate and he wants to keep above the fray. If he goes on the attack, immediately he is now a liar and is seen as desperate. Either he's the fresh "young" (I don't know how a 47 year old man can be thought of as 'young' candidate of hope, or he's just another crooked and sleezy Chicago style charlatan like his friend, Syrian slumlord Antoin Rezko.

I say he should come out swinging and he should call her a b*tch to her face and he should tell her to press his shirts and throw a couple of b*tch slaps on camera while showing us his mouthful of chicklets. He'll wrap up the election in a day or so. (For Clinton, of course).:evilgrin:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:26 AM
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30. Clinton will be easily dispatched. She can't defend, only attack.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:52 AM
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33. So why hasn't the Chicago Charlatan Obama "dispatched" Senator Clinton?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:53 AM
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34. Because he's been playing nice.
No longer.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 AM
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35. You mean the Stuttering Charlatan from Chicago has a Crooked and Criminal side?
I never would have guessed.:evilgrin:
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WeCanStopMcCain.org Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:28 AM
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31. RIDE ON DOUBLE TALK EXPRESS LEADS TO WAR

John McCain is clearly focused on one thing and one thing only - WAR. He lives for it, he loves it, he’s obsessed by it, it is his entire identity. He is a Post Traumatic Stress hot-headed and unstable lunatic who cares nothing about the will of the American people. He is loyal to his backers and his backers make a killing off of war, war and more war. It just so happens those are all of John McCain’s personal interests as well. He’s no sell out. He is a man of passion. And if elected, he will deliver.

In his own words, “Friends, I want to give you some straight talk. Friends, there are going to be more wars. I’m sorry to tell you, but there are going to be more wars...”. Wow. Interesting Foriegn Policy approach there, John.

After 2004 it became apparent to me what I had been trying to forget after the 2000 election, that much of America has bad judgment. It would be foolish to under-estimate America’s bad judgment this time around. McCain, like Bush before him, can win. We cannot let that happen.

Unfortunately Hilary Clinton represents the exact same special interests that McCain does. They should run on the same ticket.

There is only one serious contender who is sane and that is Barack Obama. If you measure who the best candidate is by body count, consider that over 1.1 million people have died as the result of the Iraqi invasion. Consider also that Hilary and McCain pushed this forward every step of the way and remember that only Barack had the decency and good common sense to oppose this needless invasion from the very start, even when it was unpopular.

Someone who speaks in straight talk doesn’t have to keep reminding you that it’s straight talk. They just speak the truth. And that is why my vote is enthusiastically for Barack Obama this election season.

http://www.WeCanStopMcCain.org

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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:53 AM
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36. And this is the kind of 'experience' Hillary endorses?
Scary.

Insane McCain. She's as bad as he is.



“Friends, I want to give you some straight talk. Friends, there are going to be more wars. I’m sorry to tell you, but there are going to be more wars...” --John McCain


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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:25 AM
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39. We need to make it clear that a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for John McCain
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:26 AM by New Dawn
Lets not get stuck with some loser candidate like Clinton who will energize the GOP base to vote against her because she is Bill Clinton's wife. In addition, she voted for the Iraq War and supports Bill Clinton's right-wing legacy (i.e. welfare deform, NAFTA, etc).
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