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Akimbo2112 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:55 AM
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So what now????
If the rest of the primaries are split, do we have a runoff in Florida and Michigan? Do we go to the convention and see how the superdelegates play it out? Does this hurt or help us in the general?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:58 AM
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1. it's all akimbo now
:D
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Akimbo2112 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:00 AM
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2. Reckon so..
:)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:12 AM
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3. This hurts us... big time
First... people will tire of the constant negative campaigning of Hillary (and it's ALL been Hillary so far).

Second... I suspect that Obama will rethink his pivot to challenge McCain and return to fight Hillary again... and that he, too, will go negative (and there is a lot of dirt there too).

Third... this costs both campaigns oodles of cash. 7 more weeks, 11 more weeks... how much more money can they raise... $90 million a month for the two campaigns is really, I think, unsustainable. Not to mention the lost time to attack McCain (who has nothing to worry about now other than smearing both Hillary and Obama).

Fourth... if it goes to the convention, how does it get resolved. There isn't any acceptable resolution that will make either group of supporters happy. I fear it will split the party. In days long gone, the party elders would meet and decide on a compromise candidate, say Al Gore or even John Edwards... someone that both bases could agree on... but those days are long gone. Having a "dark horse" candidate come out of the convention would be a disaster. No money, no campaign staff, no nationwide organization. So they have to pick one of Clinton or Obama. And either choice, at this point, will drive a wedge through the party. I think a lot of Hillary supporters have already stated here that they intend to write in her name in the general if OBama is the nominee... and, to be fair, many Obama supporters have said they will stay home if Hillary is the nominee. And I don't think a "unity" ticket is possible either, mostly because whichever of the two accepts the VP slot, they will attempt to negotiate a co-Presidency out of the other... and neither will want or allow that.

So we will be at a stalemate.

And we lose the GE to McCain. No doubt in my mind about this now.

Hate to be doom and gloom, but I really don't see a way out of this.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:13 AM
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4. yup, were screwn. start saying president mccain
cause thats what were left with
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:27 AM
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10. I hate to say it but I feel you are right.
My guess is if we want to keep the Dem. in Congress we are not going to do it with a fight to the end. I get the feeling that McCain will be President.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:30 AM
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12. Please do not let McCain have Congress also.
Forgot to add that.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:48 AM
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16. Ugly..ugly..ugly -- President McCain is likely! Thanks Hillary for the NEGATIVES!
I swear if she is the nominee i will vote McCain for sure! For the plain fact of her playing dirty and the lies and such...it just didnt end...the poor man was being honest and true and she did that to him....so i reiterate, I swear i will vote President McCain in the GE if she is the nominee.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:14 AM
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5. What now? It's about to get really, really ugly. That's what.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:16 AM
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6. I think it'll be the superdelegates in the end who will decide this...
I'm no expert, but that's what it all seems to be leading up to.

This is our democracy at work. Of course, not everyone will be happy about it and I have no doubt someone somewhere will cry foul no matter who finally gets the nomination.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:16 AM
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7. I trust the lawyers to sort it out
:sarcasm:

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 AM
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8. Screwn
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:19 AM
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9. Obama should drop out, for the sake of the Democratic party.
He should run for governor of Illinois, and then give the presidency another shot in 2016.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 AM
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14. You've got to be kidding, right?
The calls for Clinton to bow out were after 11 straight Primary BLOW OUTS and building a 150 pledged delegate lead for Obama

Hillary won three states, but didn't cut into the delegate lead AT ALL.

So now Obama should withdraw?

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:41 AM
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15. Yep.
For the good of the party, of course.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:01 AM
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17. It ain't your party... nor is it hers.

And it's not her birthright to be the nominee.

She has to WIN it... and right now, it doesn't look like she can.

How many delegates was Obama ahead before today... and how many will he be ahead tomorrow?

That's going to be pretty funny once you folks figure that out.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:28 AM
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11. It will get ugly.
It will probably test me as a democrat with the possibilty of becoming progressive independent that still votes democrat.
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:31 AM
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13. I don't even want to think about it n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:08 AM
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18. If the rest of the primaries split 50-50...
Obama goes to the convention with a lead in pledged delegates of around 150 (which is his lead now, give or take a few).

Even if every remaining primary from the next in Wyoming to the last in Puerto Rico goes for Clinton 55 to 45, Obama STILL goes into the convention with 50 more pledged delegates.

The rest of the primaries would have to go for Clinton by margins of sixty percent to forty for Obama for her to take the lead. Considering that Obama is probably going to win Wyoming, Mississippi, and North Carolina, the math in the remaining states is that much harder for her. Hillary CAN NOT, at this point, reasonably expect to win the nomination by obtaining a lead in total pledged delegates. It is possible, but it's highly implausible.
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