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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:03 AM
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How Hillary dunnit,
Hillary Clinton won tonight and won big. She clobbered Obama in Ohio, swamped him in Rhode Island and stood him down in Texas. Barack Obama won big in Vermont--a state where antiwar sentiment runs high and voters despise establishment candidates.

How'd she do it? How'd he blow it?

A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO OTTAWA:
Barack Obama was in the process of tying NAFTA around Hillary Clinton's neck and wrapping it up with a big red bow when a memo leaked by the Canadian government indicated that a senior economic adviser to Senator Obama had called his colleagues in Canada to reassure them that Senator Obama's anti NAFTA rhetoric was purely fodder for the rubes--you know--like those people in Ohio who've seen their jobs go the way of the dodo bird ever since NAFTA passed. The Obama camp denied calling the Canadians. Later reports indicated that the Canadians had indeed, reached out to the Obama campaign and that the Obama official was not speaking officially for his candidate. The Harper government in Canada was heavily criticized for intervening un U.S. politics. An apology was issued but by this time the damage had been done. Forget the mitigating nuances, the "rubes" were not amused. Obama's growing strength among white men pretty much evaporated. Worse yet the King of Kool had come off as another conniving politician who says one thing for public consumption and another in private.

POOR POOR PITIFUL ME:
It's a strange thing, but Hillary Clinton always seems to do better when she appeals to voters pity. Tears helped put her over the top in New Hampshire and accusing the media of bias and unfairness made her a more appealing figure here. American voters distrust politicians, they also distrust the media. Hillary was able to play on this distrust with a little help from her friends at Saturday Night Live (not that I'm suggesting any Clinton connivance with the fine folks at SNL who being comedians are, of course, beyond suspicion) whose portrayal of heavy handed anti-Clinton pundits carried enough truth to resonate as they say, with voters, particularly older women. When women of a certain age feel that one of their own is being attacked unfairly watch out!

SLEAZY FRIEND (HIS):
The fact that longtime Obama Supporter Tony Reszco went on trial in Illinois shortly before March 4, was, to say the least, not helpful to Barack Obama.

THE KITCHEN SINK:
Fear trumps hope. Negative campaigning works. If you don't believe it, ask George W. Bush. The 3:00 AM ad did what it needed to do for those voters it was intended to reach. The security Moms put Bush over the top in 2004. The ad may have stopped the leakage of younger women to Obama, I mean who do you want answering that phone, someone who could be your mom or someone who could have been your ex boyfriend. Hillary's oh so coy response to a question on Obama's religious affiliation gave people who had received those viral e-mails (the ones that assert that Obama is a closet Muslim and an unpatriotic bastard who swore his oath on the Koran and refused to put his hand over his heart) a certain latitude to believe them. Add to that the turban picture, the dark face Obama ad and you have an opportunity to reach into the dark side of the American soul.

Obama responded to these attacks, of course and taken alone, they might not have brought him down but combine that with the Clinton campaign's skillful portrayal of the media as hopelessly anti-Hillary, the bad publicity associated with the Reszco trial and the Obama campaign's own (rare) screwup regarding NAFTA, it turned out to be enough to stop Obama's momentum dead in its tracks.

So the wild ride continues. Can Obama win the nomination without being fatally wounded by the Clinton attack machine? If Clinton wins the nomination will Obama supporters, particularly African-American voters, without whose support no Democrat can win, be willing to vote for a nominee whose scorched earth campaign brought down one of their own?

At this point, who knows.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:08 AM
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1. K&R
Very good summary of recent events.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:08 AM
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2. Heap of baloney, every last bit of it.
In Ohio, Hillary's count was helped immensely by squads of Dittoheads going out to vote for her as Dear Leader ordered. She will be shocked--shocked!--to learn that come November, she won't have their loyal support anymore.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:11 AM
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4. Thank you, I forgot the Limbaugh effect..
I do think that added to the plot--Obama did not do as well with Republican crossovers as in the past. There were plenty of Conservatives playing games including, I think, the Harper government in Canada.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:13 AM
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6. They split the puke vote in OH, evenly.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 PM
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27. Nope.
Very little effect.

The 7% of swing voters that went to Clinton are the same families that voted for her husband 16 years ago. And Bush 8 years ago.

They are what makes Ohio volatile.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:12 AM
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5. Not true.
She and Obama received an equal number of Puke votes. Each got 49% of the 9% of the pukes who voted Dem in Ohio.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:14 AM
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8. CNN says
That in Ohio and Texas... the crossovers amounted to:

7% for Hillary

10% for Obama

I personally know three repubs that crossed over for Hillary. And will vote for her in the GE as well.

Get a life... and quit listening to MSNBC.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:14 AM
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9. You can't deny she played the pity and fear cards...
and that the NAFTA/CANADA flap and attempts to tie him to Rezko hurt him. This was a bad week for Obama. I hoping the expected upcoming wins change the narrative his way again.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:08 AM
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19. Oh, so only your opinion is the right one?
n/t
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 PM
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26. Is this who you mean?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:10 AM
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3. How'd she done what?
She barely won Texas, and won Ohio by half the margin she was supposed to win it by only two weeks ago. Not that this in any way negates her wins, but let's be honest here: Her numbers went down, not up, during the period you cite. Not down enough to lose, but down enough to make the difference between clobbering Obama out of the race in both the delegate count and popular vote, and a win in the popular vote and an effective tie on the delegates. So if anything, her strategy can be said to have arrested what was previously a free-fall. The problem I see for Hillary at this point is this: She may have blunted some, even most of Obama's edge, but she hasn't exactly picked up a huge amount of support in the process. She's managed to get people to question Obama, which is good. But I think whether she can turn it around remains to be seen.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:17 AM
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11. That's going to depend on what Obama does.
He has to get his side of this NAFTA issue out and make it stick. It may seem minor but this goes to his credibility, which especially in a candidate who defines himself as the antethisis of the "old politics", is the most valuable thing he has.

I think he can do it. He's a gifted guy and moreover, of the two, I think he's the one who has the best chance of beating McCain.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:13 AM
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7. Fear trumps hope? How many times have Obama people assured us that Hillary can't win the GE?
If that isn't playing on fear, I don't know what is.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:23 AM
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14. Both sides play at that game.
I'm specifically talking about Clinton saying that she and McCain have the experience to be President. Obama does not. If, by some chance she loses the nomination, how is that going to sound in a McCain attack ad?
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:27 AM
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15. Point taken. But note that the statement you just made also plays on fear.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 07:27 AM by Perry Logan
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:16 AM
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10. The sheen has worn off our new boy toy
The big dogs are back in the race.

MSNBC needs to get a clue:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/2800
before they make fools of themselves. AGAIN.

Obamaphiles need to get a clue..... This ain't over by a long shot!

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:21 AM
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13. John Podhoretz, now that's a guy who's got my admiration.
Stalwart neocon celebrating Clinton's victory--are you sure you want to go there?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:30 AM
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17. Yeah... and if even *he* can see that his MSNBC shills are nutz
Then we ought to take a step back.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:17 AM
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12. "poor pitiful me?" Did she ask for sympathy for being BO's victim? Like BO?(see official
strategy:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/01/obama_and_clinton_to_clintons.php
"Advisers believe that the more the Clintons poke at Obama, the more sympathetic he becomes,"....
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:49 AM
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18. Sympathy can work for both sides--especially when tribal politics are involved
African-Americans rallied behind Obama when they thought he was being unfairly attacked, women did the same for Clinton. The instinct to defend one of your own is very powerful.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:30 AM
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16. Obama beat expectations of one month ago
He made Texas very close and competed in Ohio.

He also screwed up and lost a chance for a knockout.

Hillary will still have a hard time overcoming the Obama delegate lead.

One month ago I was fine with either winning.

Now I can't stand Hillary and if she prevails will only vote for her while holding my nose and closing my eyes. I'm sure I have counterparts in the Hillary camp in regards to Obama.

There is a good chance that we are watching the no-brainer election of a Democrat evaporate. Republicans everywhere must be celebrating,

We would've thunk it?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:25 AM
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20. Nice analysis.
Indeed, the wild ride continues.

Are there any polls out of Wyoming? (the next state to vote)
Wonder who will win Mississippi? :sarcasm:

Hillary can't win. The delegates simply aren't there. Her scorched-earth campaign can only hurt us at this point.

:(

-Laelth
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:27 AM
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21. Hillary did not win big. A few weeks ago, she was EXPECTED to win Ohio and Texas by +20.
It isn't over yet, no matter how the Clinton campaign tries to spin it.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:29 AM
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22. Has anyone SEEN the actual memo?
I'm really dying to read it.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:34 AM
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23. Nice.
:thumbsup:
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:21 AM
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24. Greater press scrutiny...
...has only started to reveal the true face of O and his campaign behind the smoke and mirrors (teleprompters and pretty words? - all empty to me). May this process continue, as it should.

Here's one of the recent must-read pieces:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4901539&mesg_id=4901539


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:46 AM
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25. Excellent post !
The NAFTA blunder was big. A big mistake. Also, it will prevent him from using it as an issue against her in PA, another state hurt very badly by NAFTA.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:13 PM
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28. Obama has an "Ohio Problem"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4917194&mesg_id=4917194

Which will spill over into a PA problem. And a MI problem. (Yes a revote is in the works.)

And, tho the Canadians apologized for leaking "the wink-wink memo" they never denied that there was a memo.

Bad news for Mr. Obama.

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