It Looks Like Obama-Clinton?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I don't see how she narrows the gap against Obama enough to win the nomination without heavily relying on the super delegates... This would leave half the party feeling jobbed and that's not a good place to be...

Conversely, I don't see how she's denied a place on the ticket after building a strong and durable coalition of Latino voters, Asian voters,working class voters , female voters , and older voters...If she's denied a place on the ticket this would leave half the party feeling jobbed and that's not a good place to be...

Do they like other? Probably not but they can learn to...

There's not much I agree with Chris Matthews on but he was correct when he said the Kennedy-Johnson model is the model for Obama-Clinton... Robert Kennedy despised Lyndon Johnson... I don't think John Kennedy did though...He was a pragmatist...Kennedy put Johnson on the ticket despite his surrogate, John Connally saying that Kennedy had Addison's Disease and needed steroids just to stay alive...He alo made John Connally Secretary Of The Navy ...

Is it the most balanced ticket? No...But a coalition of Latinos, African Americans, working class whites, Jews, older people, and females is a nice coalition to have..

[Saturday]

1. So super delegates shouldn't have a right to vote?

Looks like a Clinton/Obama ticket to me.

[Kittycat]

6. He has the delegate lead, and 50 more SDs in his pocket.

She has no chance.

All she is campaigning for now is to destroy Obama, and increase her chances for 2012.

[Saturday]

8. Baloney, super delegates can and will switch AGAIN. nt

[Exilednight]

12. They won't switch again. It's political suicide. Flip Flopping back and forth won't win you .....

any favors. All it does is polarize you from both candidates.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Let's Be Fair

Hillary will have nearly half the votes and half the delegates and wins in populous states like CA, Fl, OH, TX, FL, PA and MI...

This didn't go as planned but she earned a place on the ticket...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. They Should But If Folks Think They Were Jobbed That's Not A Good Place To Be

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[izzybeans]

They can go to the polls like the rest of us.

There is no such thing as a super citizen, to pretend other wise is to pretend the emperor has no clothes. But many of us are happy to do that, bow to the feet of America's royal families.

[yourout]

2. Not if he wants to win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. How Does He Win By Telling Half The Party To Fuck Off And Die?

Pardon my French...

[davidinalameda]

9. how does she win by doing the same thing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I Addressed That In My Seminal Post And Conceded She Couldn't

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[EmilyAnne]

29. You're right. That wouldn't be good and, honestly, I don't think either one of them would want to

hurt so many people. I believe that they both truly want what is best for the party and for this country. I hope they can work this out. I'd be happy with Obama as a VP because then he could, theoretically, be in the WH for 16 years.

[liberal N proud]

3. I for myself think it would be a great ticket

Then they should go back and put some of the other great candidates on as cabinet members and say to the American people, this is the TEAM you will be voting for in November.
The team that will work for the American people to restore democracy.

[musicblind]

17. I like that idea

they should go ahead and ANNOUNCE that that Edwards will be Attorney general, Clark Secretary of Defense. SO on... and put it all on the table, right in their faces... "THIS IS THE DREAM TIME... come and get it!"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

5. Clinton/Obama

[Alamom]

25. I agree....and mostly due to age. The younger being the incumbent could give us 16 &

possibly more years of a Democratic Government......which our country needs desperately.




edit to add


I also agee with "liberal N proud". Set up the greatest cabinet ever seen in the history of this country.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. exactly!

[StrongBad]

35. Plus 8 years of being VP would shatter Obama's "experience" liability

Which is pretty much the only thing people are able to throw up against him...

[ORDem]

36. Clinton floating the idea of sharing the ticket is just more disingenuous nonsense from her.

The only reason she's talking about that is to try and deflate Obama's support. It will never happen. She is way behind in the pledged delegate count and yesterday didn't change that, except that now she has even fewer states in which to pick up delegates. It's not her place to be saying who is or is not on the ticket.

:dem:

[MadBadger]

10. Latinos wont be a problem with Obama/Richardson

[Kermit77]

18. I like an Obama/Richardson ticket

And Richardson's comments of late have been very favorable to Obama. Also Richardson didn't endorse anyone even though Bill Clinton put heavy pressure on him and was even yelling at him.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. How Does The Man Who Was Clowned In The Primaries Get A Spot On The Ticket

And the person who garnered nealr half the vote get a golden watch and a thank you for your time?


Plus Latinos are but a part of Hillary's constituency....

[MadBadger]

24. I think Hillary will depress Indie support for Obama on an Obama/Clinton ticket

I think most of the dems will come home and I think in th end she would hurt more than help. Besides that, I can never imagine it happening in a million years.

[jefferson_dem]

11. I could live with that.

We might have to walk through those gates of hell in order to unite the party. I see that as an option ONLY if they get together soon ... before this thing gets even more nasty, beyond repair.

EDIT: Only acceptable with Obama at the top, given how he will go to the convention with more pledged delegates.

[MadBadger]

14. Random comment Because I dont have a thread left

I'll ask one thing if Hillary is the nominee. Get rid of Howard Wolfson. I despise him, and I think I may dislike him more than McSleazy, Mark Penn.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I Don't Mind Wolfson Because He's Sincere In His Devotion To Hillary

I despise Penn because I think he's mercenary...

[bunnies]

16. As an Obama supporter - If I was forced to have both of them on one ticket,

I would not want Clinton in the VP slot. She wouldnt take it anyway. I'll take 16 years of Obama vs 16 years of Clinton any day. Plus, Clinton sucks the life out of an Obama ticket... whereas he brings life to a Clinton ticket.

[Historic NY]

19. The "Dream Ticket".......Repukes can only fight one not both...

thats my take on why they want ot influence our primaries. Democrats are pulling out record numbers of voters on a scale of almost 3-1. It appears Repukes are more interested in staying home. As much as people carp about the differences beteen Hillary & Obama, the more that is the same. If that wasn't true this would have been settled already. I'm ready to win and if winning means a "Union Ticket" we are winning. Can you spell Landslide.

[geek tragedy]

20. I'm not her biggest fan, but I could live with it. n/t

[mattclearing]

22. I keep saying it. Obama needs a national security VP. Hillary isn't it.

Clark or Webb are best. They are running against the only nationally recognized Republican who isn't a chickenhawk...the last thing they should do is nominate two people who never served.

[BeyondGeography]

26. It just might

What Obama appears to have lost last night is his ability to dictate the terms of victory; Hillary is here to stay. Absent a collapse from Clinton and an Obama win in Pennsylvania, or, conversely, an Obama fold and a loss in a place like Oregon or North Carolina, the contours of this race are clear. These candidates can be expected to hold serve until the convention, and, in the process, they could reduce each other to bloody stumps. There are some difficulties with this pairing (and most of mine have to do with Bill's ability to stay out of the way), but these two do compliment each other on many levels. It could work.

As an aside, it's generous of you, as a Clinton supporter, to advance this notion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. I Can Play This Out

Barring any unforseen circumstances Hillary will win WV, KY, PR, and PA...She probably will win IN but I am not as confident of IN as the others...

She will end up with nearly half the pop vote and delegates...Obama will end up with a tiny, tiny bit more than half the delegates and pop vote...

Neither side can afford to alienate the other group's followers because there are just so many of them...

This race reminds me of 1980 except Ted Kennedy was about four hundred delegates behind and didn't have nearly as broad a coalition... But his followers were devoted because of the Kennedy brand name as are Clinton's followers...1984 was closer but I don't know anybody who was willing to go to the ramparts for Gary Hart...

[BeyondGeography]

38. Could she accept this as a compromise?

I have my doubts.

There's a lot of logic to work this out sooner than later; seven weeks to Pennsylvania is an eternity. There's not much more that can be said by either of these candidates that is new, except for attacks. That only helps the other side, ultimately.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. She Will Be Sixty Eight In 2016

That's young by today's standards...There's bit of residue sexism in our society so a sixty eight year old woman is seen as "older" than a sixty eight year old man but that's life...

I think she would take it... It would assuage her ego...It beats losing...

Even if this is settled in June they still have five months to get things right...

And I do think Hillary is a great liaison to females, especially the very youngest and oldest female voters...

[Bread and Circus]

27. DSB is right, Obama/Clinton is the only thing that makes sense at this point.

As much as I think Clinton really went places she shouldn't have in this process, I'm willing to forgive her as long as she ejects her asshat crew (Penn et. al) and brings along Wes Clark.

[workinclasszero]

30. I could live with Obama / Clinton if he could.

But not the other way around which is what Hillary has in mind no doubt.

[kentuck]

31. This morning, Obama does look like the underdog...

regardless of his slim lead in delegates.

[RoadRage]

33. Frankly in this primary.. that is by FAR the safest place to be...

And I think Obama knows that. Hide under the guise of defeat, retool.. and keep on plugging. Most people don't really know about the "math" problem that Hillary has and that he is going to be tough to beat, and that might be for the best.

[kentuck]

37. I agree.

He has a long-term strategy.

[RoadRage]

32. I honestly don't think HILLARY will agree to it!

She has run this campaign as the nominee the entire time. She never really thought for a second that she'd be campaigning for a VP spot, and I don't really think it's a spot she wants. She & Bill want to be the two running the white house, and Obama would have no hesitation in running things his way.

I think Clinton would rather not be anything at all then have to "work for" Obama.

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Other way around. Clinton/Obama.

[susankh4]

40. I'm totally down with Obama/Clinton!

I'll work my butt off for them out here in swinging Ohio....

[okasha]

42. Make that ticket Clinton/Obama

and I can hold half my nose and vote for it. I'd far prefer Clinton/Clark.

I think we all need to remember that the DU echo chamber is not the real voting world. Last night at my Texas precinct convention--which went entirely for Hillary--the voters' big concern was electability. They don't think Obama has a prayer against McCain. They think Hillary can hand him his head and turn Texas blue.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

43. Clinton/Obama, and she agrees to serve only one term. Obama 2012.

Were I an arbitrator, that's about where I'd be.

The VP slot has vastly more utility for Obama than Clinton. In 2012 he would only be 49 years old!

[scheming daemons]

44. A) Hillary would never promise that B) Hillary wouldn't keep that promise if she DID

If you think she would, you have learned nothing about the Clintons and their thirst for power.