Hillary will be the presidential nominee/obama the VP

[busymom]

I think that is how it will play out. They are nearly tied in delegates and neither one of them can win without superdelegates. If you look at the states that Clinton has won though, she clearly is the one most likely to be elected. Let's face it, Alaska, North Dakota, Utah....they are traditionally red states. Florida went overwhelmingly for Clinton even though both candidates didn't campaign there and there was huge turnout to vote. Florida has the potential to flip blue in Nov.

I think she still has a chance of being up on top.

[mattclearing]

1. in your dreams. n/t

[flpoljunkie]

17. Barack Obama beats John McCain in latest head-to-head 47% to 38%.

However, I haven't seen any updated delegate counts that are radically different than the ones Kos put up. Hillary maybe gained 2-3 delgates for the day. She certainly got bragging rights, but as noted by both Kos and myself yesterday, it's about delegates and those numbers don't seem to have moved much.

Now, there are media narratives (wrong ones, but easy to fall back on if you're lazy) that you'll hear... Democrats in disarray, everything that happens is good for McCain (trailing yet again in head-to head matchups, btw), yada yada. Meanwhile an RT Strategies poll says:

In the hypothetical general election match up, Sen. Barack Obama holds an nine point lead over Sen. John McCain, 47 to 38 percent, with 15 percent undecided or supporting others.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/5/8351/08887/492/469380

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. well if they both are going to be on the ticket thats the only way it can play out

the ticket the other would not work.

i think if obama wins, he will pick someone else. probably an older white man w. foreign policy/military experience

[Hawkeye-X]

32. NOT... GOING....TO.... HAPPEN..

Obama will pick someone - perhaps a veteran with tons of foriegn policy and military experience.

It won't be Clinton. She has neither.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. dude did you even read what i posted? thats exactly what i said.

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

3. Depending on the next few weeks, I think it's a possibility, too

I was just discussing this on the phone with my mother this morning.

I honestly don't like the idea of the two of them on the ticket together, but at this point, it may be the only way to bring people today -- the Dem race is way too close (and yes, it is -- voters don't care about the delegate count, they care about their vote). We'll see how the next few races play out.

[busymom]

6. This is what I don't get...

They both talk about the "delegates" and yes, ultimatley, it is the delegates that count...but what about the popular vote. Are we really going to have another situation where the popular vote is less significant that boundaries drawn up by parties and allocated to delegates?

Ummmand while I'm pondering....why does Puerto Rico get so many flippin' delegates?

[LostinVA]

10. Howard Dean, et al will look at the big picture, too

As someone else just said in another thread: I'd hate to be him right now!

[SteppingRazor]

4. Clinton will go into the convention with less pledged delegates, popular vote, and states won...

how will she convince a large majority of superdelegates to vote for her over Obama? Just the potential of Florida as a blue state? I think she needs more than that, because her victories in Florida and Ohio don't mean that Obama can't win these states against McCain in the general.

[busymom]

8. I disagree.

[SteppingRazor]

24. With what part?

Do you disagree that she'll have less pledged delegates, popular vote and states won by the convention? If so, where do you see her overtaking Obama?


Or do you disagree with the idea that Obama can beat McCain in Ohio and Florida? If so, again, why?

[goclark]

35. She needs something that Obama has ~ she needs young voters

that LOVE Obama, she needs African American voters to believe in the Clinton's again.

[mitchleary]

5. Suuuuure

Cuz all the republicans that voted for her to win the primary will surely vote for her in the general, not to mention independents i know who will never pick her over McCain and this is from a blue state.

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. that's my concern as well.....

hillary at the top of the ticket will be disastrous for other races all across the board. Even if Obama doesn't win the GE, I think he has the potential to put some states in play that would benefit down ticket races. We need a convincing majority in Congress, and if we pick up some governerships, that would be icing on the cake.

[C_U_L8R]

7. bravado doesn't count, she needs delegates

but she would make a good VP herself...
and an even better Supreme Ct Justice

[onehandle]

9. Maybe. Won't be the other way around, that's for sure. nt

[LostinVA]

13. No, I don't think so, either

For DEm Party perceptions/precedent reasons, if nothing else.

[seabeyond]

11. i wont vote for a candidate that uses fear and lies to win. the same as i expected republicans

to stand up to their party when their people did the same, not only to their own people but to our democrats.....

[busymom]

12. McCain will thank you, I guess.

[seabeyond]

how do i vote for someone

that is the very essence of what i have been fighting for 8 yrs?

why dont hillary supporter tell their person they dont need dirty politics to win. why arent you and hillary responsible for your own action. the hillary supporters want to be able to run their race however and reap the rewards afterwards. that is how rove handled it too. sure it disgusted a lot of republicans but.... if they didnt vote would put kerry in. so they voted.

you have a dirty politician the dirt gets tracked into the whitehouse.

[Yellow Horse]

28. Four words to that: REMEMBER. THE. SUPREME. COURT.

You want McCain to appoint three or more members that will sit there for decades??

[seabeyond]

30. then obama better win. or maybe hillary and supporters should rethink their dirty politics.

because i wont be blackmailed into voting without integrity, ... be a hypocrit to what i have preached for the last 8 years.... become one with the many republicans that were disgusted with bushco and the rw religions yet validated them with a vote out of the very same blackmail.

i called them cowards, weak, that they must stand up to their party. and her i am given the same challenge.
better i become one of them.... because hillary doesnt have the balls to walk this with integrity and her supporters dont have the balls to say, NO hillary

[Skwmom]

46. Well maybe you should tell Clinton to quit poisoning the well.

I wonder how NOW, etc. is going to feel once they figure out that Clinton is putting her own desire for power over their interests.

[Yellow Horse]

47. I'm not necessarily a Clinton supporter, and I'm not in NOW. I'm JUST SAYIN'. The. Supreme. Court.

Either Clinton OR Obama would make a hell of a lot better appointments there than McCain.

Just sayin' and I hope everyone starts thinkin'.

[MadBadger]

14. Except they arent nearly tied.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. especially when you factor in upcoming races...

wyoming, mississippi, and north carolina are sure to go for obama. She'll take PA. Obama will surely regain his traction, and i know he doesn't want to get down in the gutter with Clinton, but he's going to have to hit her hard.

I saw her on my teevee more this past weekend, than I've seen in the past year. She benefited from exposure, bullying the media, and down & dirty politics.

[bowens43]

16. Let's hope not, I would hate to see President McCain.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. She Is 100% Viable Again And Has Huge Talking Points On Her Side. This Will Get Very Interesting.

[flpoljunkie]

21. Kerry: "Hillary will have much harder time winning the states we need to win in November."

John Kerry, speaking this morning, on MSNBC. Barack Obama can win the big, very blue states Hillary Clinton has won, but can Hillary win the swing states like Missouri, Colorado and Wisconsin.

[meow mix]

19. start saying president mccain then. hillarys name on the ticket = lose

she will me destroyed in the GE

[Kolesar]

20. Missouri, Minnesota, Colorado, important swing states for Barack...eom

[Jersey Devil]

23. Let em flip a coin for it before the manure trucks get to the airport

because as we are busy posting here I am certain the Obama campaign is filling bags full of shit to drop on the Clinton's glass house in retaliation and they may already be on the way to the airport.

Whoever wins the flip gets prez, the loser veep.

Otherwise it's a total food fight through the convention and McCain's inauguration.

[whatchamacallit]

25. Hill supporters are pushing this hard because they know she can't beat him without resorting to

rule changes, law suits, and super-delegate defections. The part that I find crazy is how she rises to the top of the ticket in this pipe dream:crazy:

[NeedleCast]

26. More Fuzzy Math from Camp Hillar

Nearly tied in delegates? I guess that all depends on what your definition of "nearly" is. Considering the number of states remaining and the fact that Obama is looking good in most of them, I don't think this contest is "nearly" as close as you think it is.

I don't think Obama will agree to be her VP, nor do I think Hillary would invite him to be the VP on the off-chance that she manages to pull an upset.

[ORDem]

27. Do the Hillbots never end with the spin? Her delegate count increased by

maybe one yesterday. Big friggin' deal! The number of states she has left in which to decrease Obama's lead went down by 4. She is the loser, she did not stop Obama's lead or momentum.

This nonsense about a Clinton-Obama ticket is just more spin from her. It's not to be believed. She will do or say anything to win, she has no ethics or morals with regard to this. It is just another BS story the Clinton camp put out to try and sap Obama's support.

Time to make another contribution to Barack!!

:dem:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

29. Comedy routines really belong in the DU Lounge.

[themaguffin]

31. Clinton is easily the most unelectable Democrat. If she is the nominee, we'll have President McCain

[billyoc]

33. Sen. Obama is 150 delegates ahead, they're not "nearly tied". nt

[IDemo]

34. This subject is beginning to get like the vaunted 'air car' around here

Someone has to start a new thread on it every twenty minutes.

I do not want an air car in my garage or a Clinton on the ticket.

[Eurobabe]

36. keep smoking that crystal meth n/t

[tinrobot]

38. She's not the most electable.

If she was, she'd be leaps and bounds ahead of Obama.

[Bullet1987]

39. They're not practically tied in delegates...unless you call

a 150+ delegate lead a tie.

[TheZug]

40. He would be a fool to let himself be marginalized in her administration.

She'd trot him out as her "boy" the way Bush did with Powell.

[truebrit71]

41. Behind by 150 is "nearly tied in delegates"....wow talk about fuzzy math...

...she won (barely) states she was EXPECTED to win, and somehow this is a "comeback"? In what alternate universe?

Please, re-do the math, even WITH FL and MI she STILL has fewer delegates...

[Mezzo]

42. Hillary can carry ARK and OHIO, Obama can't...so it makes sense...

I think I would work full time for that.

[TeamJordan23]

43. Obama can carry Virginia, Missouri, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Colorado, Georgia, S. Carolina

Hillary can not.

[democrattotheend]

45. I don't know about Georgia and South Carolina

But I am optimistic about Missouri and Virginia. Colorado I am not so sure about.

[Mezzo]

51. Optimism is not reality

and even if you want to, Obama isn't battle tested. I mean, he 'can' get us all a pony, but I'm not holding my breath.

I doubt he'd get Minn or Virginia.

But SHE can get ARKANSAS. (and Ohio)

[democrattotheend]

44. The only way I'd support that is if McCain looks unbeatable

Because then we could let HRC go down and Obama would be the presumptive frontrunner in 4 years.

I am going to support whoever gets the nomination, but if it's Clinton, there will be a part of me that wants Obama to have another chance in 4 years. I imagine a lot of Clinton supporters feel the same way.

[Az_lefty]

48. won't happen, Obama has too much class.

[michaz]

49. I would certainly hope not! n/t

[FrenchieCat]

50. Clinton will be the Nominee, and Bill Clinton will be the VP!

You heard it here first.

Who would want to be on a ticket with that agressive "politics at any cost" couple?

Not Barack Obama.