Durbin warning that there's dirt on Hillary, too

[eleny]

He was just on MSNBC and was asked about the dirt that has been flung at Obama. He responded saying that there are issues that can be raised about Hillary Clinton. The Obama campaign wants to keep things clean. But if they have to, they can point out skeletons in Clinton's closet.

This was my paraphrase. But I clearly heard Senator Durbin warning that the Obama campaign is ready to fight fire with fire if necessary.

[displacedtexan]

1. Fire with fire reflects hope and change? How?

Sounds like a risky move to me.

[eleny]

7. I believe that Durbin was sent out to draw a line in the sand

This is the first time I heard any of Obama's surrogates give such a warning. As usual Durbin was sincere and quiet. But his message was strong.

[aquart]

98. GO FOR IT.

Let the American people see their Messiah for the grubby pol he really is.

[avaistheone1]

101. Let the dirt fly on BOTH candidates.

We need to see what candidate is truly viable and can beat McCain.

If there is some truly devastating dirt on Hillary or Obama let's here it now, before we are committed and stuck with one of them as our nominee.

As Democrats we can not afford to lose this election. So now is the time for the litmus test, before the convention. Let the dirt fly.

[aquart]

124. A yellow rubber ducky can beat McCain.

Did you even bother to look at the primary turnout numbers? He won Texas with 700,000 votes. Hillary alone got more than twice that. Do you really believe all of that is Republican crossover that will go for McCain (a candidate they completely rejected until they saw their other abysmal choices) in the general? They can't get big money donations. It's all going to the Democrats. Everybody knows the Democrats are taking the White House except DU.

[casus belli]

114. Wow, you have an opinion.

Go with that.

[aquart]

122. Dear me. You don't?

[casus belli]

126. Not enough to mischaracterize your candidate...

as some sort of messianic figure or an anti-christ, or any other deeply divisive religious comparisons I can draw to emphasize the disdain.

[hueyshort]

137. MSNBC has been smearing Clinton all morning.

What else is new?

[LSK]

139. did they bring up Whitewater, Vince Foster, Monica?

Because that would be smearing.

[Cha]

141. Smearing her with what? The

The fucking facts? Boofuckinghoo.

[book_worm]

11. No problem. She went negative first and he's going to respond in kind

She has a lot more skeletons than Obama does.

[KittyWampus]

56. Hope/Change are perfectly compatible with standing up for ones self and fighting back

against swiftboating.

[aquart]

Swiftboating is lying. Where did she lie?

As opposed to his sudden discovery that the Clintons are racists just, so conveniently, in time for South Carolina?

[superkia]

58. You are right, Clinton would be all over him saying he is double...

talking. I hope Americans realize that if one candidate runs on dirty nonsense and then one retaliates, it doesn't make the one that has been running on it better. Its like living near two gangs, one is doing drive-by shootings against its rival on a daily basis, while the other is out trying to spread a message of peace on a daily basis. After many months of drive-by shootings, the peaceful one retaliates with a drive-by of their own. Now, the violent gang says" hey they did it too and they said they wanted peace".

Which gang do you want in control of your neighborhood, the violent one that kills daily or the one that has hope for peace and only fires back as a defense mechanism?

For me, I don't want my neighborhood run by the ones that don't care about the damage caused by the non stop violence. How about all of you?

[Bluenorthwest]

89. To me

Pretending that Obama has not been playing dirty divisive politics all along is simply delusional. His gay baiting started the game off with Republican tactics and a Bush activist holding a minority up for contempt, live on stage with an Obama banner. That is a Democratic first, and I almost left the Party over it, second generation, familiy in eleced office Democrat. That is not hay, and there are millions of me. We were repulsed and have begged the man for months to promise no group will be so attacked in his future events, epscially as President and he simply will not say that, he reserves the right to pander if the bigots wear a cross.
A brand new Senator comes into the national scene and slanders gay people using a proxy who actually wept for GW Bush at the Repbulican Convention in 2004. Some Fundy hate preacher that was praising Bush on TV while our Party was trying to defeat Bush, is invited in 2007 to carry on his right wing religionism in our Party, and Obama allowed him to preach, something even GW Bush and the GOP was too smart to allow. Allowed or requested? Obama will not say. But the Party that got my support for a lifetime let Republican Fundy bigots bash me without apology. McClurkin's Bush backing was rewarded by Obama with a paycheck and a spotlight and a platform to spread his divisive and atavistic message.
So that is your guy. You guys have to start owning him whole and real, the claims of righteousness are laughable.
And now Obama backers will tell me to 'let it go' and all. Odd, Obama calls for all of us to be active and get our goals met, but when his boosters see a true movement doing just that, with skill and presicion, they cry foul and spin like wheels in the mud.
It is time to up your game kids. Time for Obama to make nice with Democrats and forget about winning votes from Republicans until the General.

[Cha]

138. hilary gets a pass on her filth while

smearing Obama? Don't you worry about Hope And Change that's coming when Obama is the Prez.

[TacticalPeek]

2. Bring it.

Get it out and let's deal with it. No point in waiting until the R's do it when there's less time to recover.

Of course, that applies both ways.

[anonymous171]

3. I think it was a warning.

Reminding Hillary that she is not vetted at all.

[EmilyAnne]

4. Yuck. This is going to be ugly.

[seabeyond]

21. hillary supporters told me yesterday adn today dirty politics is a good thing. n/t

[Abacus]

He's in a tough spot.

The amount of "dirt" on Hillary significantly dwarfs that on Obama, but if he brings it up he becomes a hypocrite. Any move by his surrogates will have the appearance of a directive originating from the top, whether it is or not.

I hope he can continue to stay on his message. Hillary's negativism backfires more often than not, if he had done more to take charge of the NAFTA issue, I think he'd have done much better yesterday.

[chyjo]

5. yes

huge piles of dirt. Buyer Beware!

[uberblonde]

6. The difference is....

Hillary isn't the one who sold herself as the Pristine Candidate.

[eleny]

15. Then she won't mind dealing with a laser pointed into her closet

She took the campaign into the gutter - so she won't mind Obama rattling her skeletons.

[aquart]

102. Sweetie, she's been investigated down to her underwear drawer.

That's right. Ken Starr was pawing her underwear. So you bring on anything you think you can find.

Vince Foster was always a good one.

[avaistheone1]

128. Yup. Hundreds of millions spent on investigating both

Hillary and Bill Clinton, and still they came up with nothing.

[Cha]

142. Oh No..hilary's always the victim while

using her dirty lying mouth to smear Obama..that's the only way it works for her.

[seabeyond]

22. tough shit. geez. ot only wnat your cake eat it too, but want someone else to clean up

after you

[JVS]

123. Hillary didn't sell herself as the candidate of change, peace, integrity...etc.

What is her next slogan "Vote for me, I'm a fucking lout"

Talk about being an empty pantsuit. She doesn't even stand for a fucking thing.

[oasis]

8. Hillary never claimed to be "The Impeccable Candidate". Durbin's a good lawyer,

but he can't get his client off of the hook by using this defense.

[eleny]

17. Read my Reply #15

[blm]

129. She claims to be a Democrat opposed to Bush but Clintons PROTECT Bushes, always have

and always will.

More Dems are just waking up to the betrayals.
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Bring It

~

[KittyWampus]

61. lol! The Clintons can't account for the stratospheric rise in their net wealth.

but we do know Gupta was sued by shareholders for giving millions to Clinton for doing absolutely nothing.

Funny, haven't heard anything in the primary coverage about that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. Wasn't My Money

Bill Clinton is this generation's Huey Long- the loveable rogue...

Your average Merikan doesn't get hot thinking about goo goo good governement...He just wants three hots and a cot...

[blm]

136. They sure stood against the Dubai Ports Deal. Bill advocated FOR that deal and banked 20 million

from the very folks who stood to control our ports. The same people who staked the terrorist bank BCCI - the same BCCI whose outstanding matters led to 9-11 thanks to Bill protecting all the BCCI figures involved with GHWBush, Stephens, Dubai and Saudi royals, Bin Ladens and many more.

[aquart]

105. Let me know what's illegal, okay?

[bdamomma]

10. oh whew baby, if it has to be done, so be it.

[Wayjose]

14. I am sorry to be dirty but Hill has very bad skeletons in her closet

and Durbin is the perfect flamethrower to talk to her to remind her that the bathtub and the bathwater is about to sink her. That is why she is now talking "Unity Ticket"

[aquart]

And those skeletons are....?

You keep rattling but all I hear is noise. How about some FACTS.

[Beausoir]

12. Bring it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

25. Where have I heard that before?

Any other Bushism's you wish to cite?

[Beausoir]

29. BAHAA! So now..."Bring it" is a Bushism? I better tell that to our local high school team.

LOL. It's a GREAT morning!

[blm]

13. I'm sorry it has to come to this, but Clinton camp has been been daring other Dems TOO LONG

to keep their secrets as more and more Dems are realizing that loyalty to the Clintons has NOT benefited the party or this nation.

All it did was lead to Bush2, a 9-11 event, and this Iraq war.

[Blue_Roses]

19. yeah

sad, but true.

[eleny]

26. I feel as you do

I'm getting this sickening feeling that Hillary is perfectly willing to sink our chances in November and try for the nomination again herself in 2012. I plan to push as hard as I can to support Obama so he has the best chance this year. Thanks for your reply!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

92. I am quickly coming to the same conclusion...

and it is freaking me out. :scared: I think she knows the numbers are againsts her, that a badly weakened Obama loses against McCain, and that McCain is a fuck-up that will most likely leave the door wide open for a Dem in 2012.

The Clintons clearly think in the longterm -- very longterm. And Clinton surrogates like Carville and McCaullif have/ continue to clear the way for her, be it 2004, 2008, or 2012.

[DemBones DemBones]

42. Surely you know better than to believe in the audacity of HYPE?

Clinton is the best we can hope for in November, and she can beat McCain.

The chance of having a truly progressive nominee is ancient history.

So, do you want Clinton or McCain?

I'll go with Clinton if she's the nominee.

If Obama's the nominee, I'll vote third party to send a message to the Democrats to quit playing like they're Republicans.

[blm]

49. There isn't a Dem alive who has protected Bushes more than Clintons have. You vote for THAT.

Obama is an open government Democrat and is our best chance at this point to stop the rush to fascism that Clintons have PROVEN they will protect.

[Mags]

60. same here.

[Carolina]

77. exactly

[aquart]

111. EXCUSE ME?

Now the Clintons are responsible for the coup of 2000???? Of all the witless, demi-brained idiocy. If you haven't figured out that NOBODY was going to stop them, you ain't learned a thing. Ken Lay HAD to control the government or he was going to jail. What do you think that witless impeachment for a non-impeachable offense was about? What do you think stigmatizing that squeaky clean boyscout Al Gore was about?

My god, some people are the perfect victims for Republican propaganda. Just open their mouths and swallow.

[blm]

127. That impeachment CLOUD covered up serious matters being deep-sixed - including

the CIA drugrunning story.

Whitewater was the excuse and cover used for Bushies to get INTO Rose Law Firm and scrub the crap out of the records of its BIGGEST CLIENT - Jackson Stephens - partner to GHWBush's BCCI dealings and the man who staked Bill's political career.

You and both bases fell for the HUGE DOG AND PONY SHOW put on to keep us distracted from the crimes ACTUALLY being covered up by that hyped up show.

[bigtree]

16. I think Durbin's out of his league.

He's a nice guy.

[bdamomma]

28. geez, but for him to come out and say that, I think more Dems

are not going to like to see this bickering going on, the Dem. Party will suffer, while the repigs regroup, and it seems they will do that, they (repigs) love to play mind games with us.

[aquart]

120. LOL!

THEY have a target. WE don't.

[eleny]

30. He didn't look ruffled

Sometimes nice guys are the ones who can sneak up because no one expects it from them. :thumbsup:

[aquart]

115. Honey, he's a long-term Senator.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Maribelle]

18. Only an Obama supporter would think 'issues' are 'dirt'

Obama supporters cannot talk about issues, in any way shape or form. Thanks for showing this off to the world.

[eleny]

31. I made it clear that I was paraphrasing

[Maribelle]

33. Yes - - it is quite clear that you changed 'issues' to 'dirt'

Thanks for showing off your interpretation of issues.

on edit: what the senator that supports Obama said: 'there are issues that can be raised about Hillary Clinton'

[eleny]

50. I'm sure that his statement is no doubt sending a chill through her campaign this morning

He's using polite words to warn them. But don't kid yourself, this is about dirt.

She threw the kitchen sink and I hope the Obama campaign throws it right back. I have no problem with that in the least. And I could care less how you feel about me.

[Maribelle]

73. Hillary's campaign is hot today. Hot Hot Hot

Soca

Nothing could send chills through her campaign this morning.

[eleny]

75. How's that delegate count working out for you?

:rofl:

[Maribelle]

80. Can't stick to the subject of your own OP?

:rofl:

Obama supporters are so transparent even their own smoke gets through their own mirrors

[eleny]

84. A Hillary supporter finding standards? How quaint!

:applause:

[spotbird]

106. They don't like that question. nt

[aquart]

118. This is your first political campaign, isn't it?

[eleny]

125. Oooh, Clinton campaign humor!

Btw, maybe you can answer my question - How's the delegate count working out for you?

[wileedog]

34. They had 20 debates..

to talk about issues.

Hillary was losing that so she started slinging mud.

Her scorched earth policy is just welcoming in a McCain presidency, which will be a disaster befitting of a Bush, then she will run again in 2012.

Thanks Clintons.

[Maribelle]

40. Obama supporters cannot talk about issues - - Obama is the one that debated...

and even though there have been 20 debates - - - his supporters still cannot discuss the issues.

This op shows how Obama supporters can only think along the lines of 'dirt' and not 'issues'.

You have helped to stress this.

[Armstead]

103. Bullshit. Hillary's 3 AM fear campaign was fearmongering -- Not Issues

Claiming that Hillary would protect the American peopel from all of the boogeymen out there while Obama would ignore the phone or go into a panic is an unprovable emotional appeal based on nothing. Right out of the Rove Playbook.

If Hillary were really interested in issues, she'd focus on actual policy differences.

[KittyWampus]

63. Hillary colluding with the Right Wing Govt in Canada isn't an issue. But it should be.

[Maribelle]

82. I totally agree, if it's true it should be an issue.

[Adelante]

131. I remembered reading in the past week or two

That Bill Clinton was off the campaign trail on a trip to Canada. I was looking for the link but when I was searching I found this first. I don't know if this is a reliable source, but I believe the original report I was looking for said that Bill was in Canada meeting with Giustra. Who knows if it means anything or is a coincidence?

What Americans must ask is did the Canadian government help setup Obama for this Ohio defeat? There is a most powerful man in Canada who is a friend and partner of Bill Clinton. His name is Frank Giustra who has many business interests including Mining, Banking, Finance, and Entertainment. Being one of Canada´s wealthiest and most influential men he has the power to make many things happen.

Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative (CGSGI) a partnership between the Clinton´s and this wealthy Canadian is of course is a front for this very rich group that seeks out mining endeavors throughout the world. I should note that mining is not what you would consider a Green Industry as it is in fact anti-Green. Frank Giustra also sits on the board of the famed Clinton Foundation. The goal with the CGSGI is to eliminate poverty yet it does not deal with American poverty.

This seems apparent that the Clinton Machine may have influenced the Canadian government through Giustra to stop the Obama momentum. There is no proof that the Canadians were aware of this maneuver. Those from the Clinton White House knew full well that Hillary was very much against NAFTA at first yet fell in line. Wouldn´t she be the one you´d want to meet with? She is the one that is breaking ranks or do they already know that she has no plans to make drastic changes other than the claim of review?

The media should take a good look into this as the American voter should know just what is going on. Why shouldn´t someone look into why CGSGI also has Mexican Business Tycoon Carlos Slim as a contributor and partner in this Canada, American and Mexican partnership? “I´m thinking NAFTA” Isn´t it funny how the President that signed NAFTA into law has become partners with the wealthiest businessmen in Mexico and Canada?

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/54303

[paulk]

20. everyone already knows that HRC has "skeletons in her closet"

Obama will be hurt far more by going negative than Hillary will - he's the one that's based his entire campaign around "change" - if he goes negative that shoots his whole reason for running right in the ass.

He's painted himself into a corner.

[bigtree]

23. many of his supporters will faint dead away

. . . at the sight of their icon practicing what they've already identified as 'politics as usual'

[eleny]

36. So long as what is flung is accurate, I'm fine with it

No fainting dead away. Silly you! :rofl:

[Wayjose]

24. no, Obama will get a pass..he needs to hit back

and not let Hillary define him...So if his negatives go up, the means justify the ends and it would be to sink Hillary in the mud

[eleny]

32. There comes a point when you must fight back

If it's the choice between fighting fire with fire - so be it.

[Sir Jeffrey]

38. I disagree...

1. You and I don't know what dirt Obama has on Clinton. It may be scandalous.

2. Obama can have surrogates attack her while he draws distinctions. If he keeps his attacks based in the truth, he might be able to stay relatively clean.

As I noted downthread, this might be a play to have the party establishment put an end to Clinton's campaign. It is a forceful play if he has something really scandalous on her that might jeopardize her Senate seat.

[eleny]

54. Truth is the key here

I so agree with you. If they fling truth at her, I'm perfectly satisfied that the Obama campaign plays hardball.

[Sir Jeffrey]

27. I think this was aimed more at the party than the Clintons...

Either the party establishment puts an end to Hillary's pointless campaign or Obama fights back hard and risks splitting the party.

This is a powerful argument to make if he is willing to back it up. I am certain it is not that hard to dig up dirt on the Clintons.

[DemzRock]

37. LOL! Pointless? You crack me up!

It's about 50/50. How is that pointless?

[Sir Jeffrey]

47. I don't engage delusional Hillary supporters...

unwilling or unable to accept mathematical improbabilities.

[MoonRiver]

53. If the Democratic "establishment" steps in to thwart the will of We The People,

the Democratic "establishment" will lose half its base in November. WE WILL SIT THIS ONE OUT, at best. Many, not me, will actually cross over and vote McCain.

[Sir Jeffrey]

55. See post 47 nt

[MoonRiver]

70. FYI,

your childish name calling does nothing but reflect poorly on you and your candidate.

Good job! :applause:

[Hawkeye-X]

88. Go sit in a corner, shut up and listen to yourself.

The Democratic 'establishment' is Hillary, and yes, if she wins the primary, she loses the GE. No question in my mind about it. And burns down the Democratic Party with it.

Hawkeye-X

[pegleg]

35. She's the Republican's dream.

[DemzRock]

41. No, she's their worst nightmare. They don't really want to fight Team Clinton...

They'd rather fight Obama...

You've seen how a few negatives can pull him down.

And the GOP will be FAR FAR more negative than Hillary.

[spotbird]

113. Since Obama hasn't gone negative

and she still can't win the nomination without cheating, how do you think she'll do in the general after GOP attacks start?

[laundry_queen]

148. Wrong.

The ones I talk to are praying for a Hillary win. They can't wait to go out and vote against her. Obama they are less sure about - he actually intrigues them. A few said they would definitely consider voting for him over McCain. They don't care for McCain much. McCain can go all negative all over Obama and McCain will look like the chump, but if it's Hillary he's up against, the Repubs will cheer on every negative ad and slander that gets broadcast. You watch.

[Bluerthanblue]

39. of course there is- and if there wasn't something would be very wrong- but

to what end?

Why do we need to become this kind of crap?

What is won when we sell ourselves out?


I'm so weary of this poor excuse for 'government'- 'society'- 'life'

Meanwhile, people are killing, dying, suffering, and starving- and we spend our energy, and our dollars on 'politics'-

I've reached burn-out


peace~

[DemzRock]

43. Welcome to politics in America, dude n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

51. not a

dude- and I've been in the politics of America for much of my 50yrs.

Never felt more weary of the same-old same-old in my life.

peace~

[eleny]

64. This is a very long campaign

But I look at it this way. Whoever finally gets our nomination will owe us big time. It's the grassroots that has allowed them to get this far. Our small contributions and volunteering. If they make it to the White House surely our work will begin again pushing them to do what we want. But they will owe us one heck of a lot. And if they refuse to deliver, who will ever support them again? I won't be that motivated.

Take care - this really is grueling.

[mmonk]

44. I think HRC supporters are unaware of some things.

You may see her have a change of disposition.

[Mezzo]

45. if they could have found dirt on Hillary, we'd have heard about it TEN YEARS AGO when there

was a special prosecutor looking into everything, and an Arkansas project hiring the likes of David Brock to do a hatchet job on her.

[Mother Of Four]

130. Ok thats just silly....

So, you're saying that she's been pristine clean for the last 10 years?

I seriously doubt the things they are talking about are less than recent.

NO politician is totally clean, sadly enough. And, she's a politician.

[Mezzo]

149. Ok, hillarious if you say so

Hillary Clinton is road tested. Obama is not. look how he stumbles, and this isn't even the big leagues yet. Imagine what happens when Rezko Citizens for Truth emerge en masse. HRC has probably been aware that she was going to seek the nomination, and she has acted accordingly.

[Mother Of Four]

153. I never said anything about Hillarious...

What I said was that it's silly (of you, not your candidate) to think she's totally pristine for the last 10 years. She's been living and breathing hasn't she? Even in my boring day to day life I've done things I'm not entirely proud of in the last decade.


FYI, I would never call your candidate names or demean her with terms like "Hillarious"

[Unsane]

46. As far as I know, Hillary wasn't instrumental in the murder of Vince Foster

I take her at her word on that issue.

[eleny]

69. I take her at her word, too. Thre's nothing there - *as far as I know*

[WinkyDink]

134. What murder?

[Phillycat]

48. Heh. Hillary's been dealing with the nastiest shit imaginable for YEARS.

She's a politician. She's had her big girl pants on throughout this process. Let's watch the golden boy realize that THIS IS POLITICS, and IT IS ALWAYS UGLY, and his idealistic young followers have their little hearts broken, as one always must when one gets deeply involved in politics.

[babylonsister]

68. Her big girl pants? If this is the result, I want my pedal pushers back.

Clean politics would be winning on your merits, not sliming a fellow Dem. She's not able to do that. That speaks volumes.

[Phillycat]

76. Who has ever (in the age of TV, I mean) run a clean campaign and won?

You cannot get to this level of national politics and have clean hands. Obama doesn't have clean hands either, it's just that the MSM has given him a pass on his dirty tricks thus far.

[babylonsister]

85. Please do me a favor and tell me

how Obama has slimed Clinton. I must have missed that.

And FWIW, as much as I have enjoyed his clean campaign, if he takes the gloves off now, who'd blame him?

[Bluenorthwest]

94. I dig your posts

But as a gay person when you say Obama has run a clean campaign, I want to puke. I almost left the Party in Nov over his baiting. Never seen a Democrat have a sermon against a minority as part of a campaing event, ever. I don't call that clean, and sorry to say, I lose respect for those who do instantly. You define clean as that done by Obama. If he does it, it is ok. That is the only explaination, unless you agree that gays should be openly held up for contempt as a way to attraced bigots to the polls.
Obama has slimed not one woman, but millions of people and let it hang in the air for months and then parsed and reserved his attemept at mitigating this slander as he looked to states that are not devoid of gays and chock full of nuts. He has not only flug the worst of the mud at the most innocent of Democratic bystanders, he and his boosters are only now waking up to the fact that it is costing them votes. Not many Democrats are into the Pentacostal Evangelists Obama used, the exact same men who Bush used. Not many Democrats approve of Evangelical Fundamentalist activists taking over our Party. One does not have to be gay to oppose open hate speech and relgioous based intolerance.
What you call clean, I call vicious, dirty and targeted at my family. Just saying.

[babylonsister]

109. Baiting?

See, I don't see it as that. I think Obama was wrong to not condemn McClurkin at the time and have stated that repeatedly, but I honestly don't think it was 'baiting'. It was insensitive of his campaign to hire the guy, and boneheaded not to admit they and he made a mistake.

As for his religion, it's his own and I don't go there with any candidate. That's not for me to judge who worships who, where, or why. I think you're wrong in thinking that his religion will rule his politics, but you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine. Had Huckabee gotten anywhere close, I might have been worried about religion a lot more because his religion has woven its way into his politics. I don't see that with Obama. HE's only addressed the issue because he's been forced to with all the Muslim smears and lies floating around.

And I'm very sorry if you and your family have suffered. There's nothing I can say to mitigate that.


So, back to slime. Has he done any sliming directly, and the question was raised in regards to the direct sliming Clinton has done to him.

[KittyWampus]

72. you know, Hillary supporters are so deluded. If you think Obama supporters aren't willing to give

Obama the latitude to fight back against Hillary, you are REALLY drinking some kool-aid.

[Phillycat]

79. I'm not really talking about DUers.

I'm talking about the majority of Obama supporters in the real world, young idealistic, educated yet immature and naive, who support him because of emotions rather than logic. He makes them FEEL GOOD. There are SOME of these types on DU...

[Adelante]

52. There have been rumors in the press about new Clinton scandals

Maybe they will be emerging soon.

[Medusa]

71. BIngo.

Presidential Library donor list.

And what about her connection to Citibank through Lisa Caputo and her vote and non-vote on bills which effectively doubled the minimum payment on credit cards?

That's just 2 I can think of off the top of my head.

[jgraz]

57. Durbin also warns that water is wet.

[Iceburg]

110. If the Durbin et al attempt to destroy Hillary then ALL WOMEN leave the party en masse/nt

[babylonsister]

116. Destroy or tell the truth? And this woman won't be leaving the

party anytime soon, so your prediction is baseless and not just a teensy bit dumb.

[jgraz]

151. Sadly, those two things coincide quite frequently with the Clintons

:shrug:

[Adelante]

132. Oh please, *all women*

You don't speak for all women.

[jgraz]

152. Sure she does -- she's a Hillary Supporter!!

She's connected to the Universal Vagina.

[jgraz]

150. No, just the stupid ones.

Lucky for us, most of them are already Republicans.

[Tresalisa]

59. Welcome to the shootout that is politics, all!

Last candidate standing wins.

I look at it this way - this toughens 'em up for the salvos in the GE the repubs are going to fire.

:hi:

[npincus]

62. OK, now's the time.

Let's go. Before the new MSM narratvie sinks in and brainwashes the masses.

[durrrty libby]

65. Goes to show that Obama is a huge phony. Without his thin

Hope and Change meme, he's got absolutely nothing

I "hope" he goes negative on her. It will bite his ass hard

[mmonk]

78. Naive

[durrrty libby]

95. DUmb

[pampango]

67. If you campaign like Clinton, you risk becoming Clinton. Don't do it. n/t

[carlotta]

74. I'll say it again

If there's dirt (the sticky kind, not just rumors) to be found on EITHER one of the candidates, it had better come out now, not after we have a nominee.

John Aravosis claims that "everyone in Washington" knows about some new dirt on Hillary--well, if that's the case, they owe it to the party to reveal it before the Republicans make hay of it.

And, it's just as important for us to know if Obama has any real skeletons.

We have to think party first, candidates second.

[zulchzulu]

81. Time to open the box and unleash on Hillaryworld

Hsu... outsourcing links... Bill's uranium deals... hidden tax records... endorsing McCain... more linkage to the war... not having security clearances and no access to pdb's while First Lady... failed 1993 healthcare fiasco...

Open the box and unleash HARD. If Hillaryworld wants to play, let's fucking play.

[NastyRiffraff]

83. Welcome to Politics 101!

What many of Obama's supporters seem to be unaware of is that Obama is a POLITICIAN, just like Hillary Clinton. He's been in this game for years; unlike many I don't think he's a neophyte. You don't get far in Illinois politics without engaging in some less than pristine tactics. Clearly Obama, just like anyone else who's been in politics for any length of time, has done so, and is continuing to do so.

Okay, people are saying that Hillary has engaged in "dirty politics." Fair enough, depending on how you define that. Unusual politics? Afraid not; in fact if we step away for a moment, this campaign has been relatively clean on both sides. But Obama has not been as pure as driven snow, either; the difference is that he lets his surrogates do the dirty work, and is adept at distancing himself from it.

So, as they say, "bring it on." The more that's at stake, the rougher it's gonna get. And perhaps some of Obama's supporters will grow a thicker skin, rather looking for an insult at every turn of phrase.

[eleny]

86. Well said!

Thanks.

[NYCGirl]

121. Sure, he's a politician. And a damned good one, too. NT

[TheZug]

87. Time to start saying "the Bush/Clinton elite."

Tie together their policies of banking deregulation, NAFTA, etc.

Raise the specter of dynasty again, and get the press talking about it.

The Bush/Clinton elite.

[OhioChick]

90. Time for Obama to "Bring it On." n/t

[NashVegas]

91. Oh, I Agree

But for different reasons :)

[Tropics_Dude83]

93. Breaking

Fire With Fire Obama team bounces back with memo assailing Clinton for not releasing tax returns.
“Though her campaign has tried to kick the issue down the road, Democratic voters deserve to know, right now, why it is she is hiding the information in her tax returns from last year.”
Read it here.
Conference call with chief Obama strategist Axelrod scheduled for 1 p.m. ET. Permalink

[Vinca]

104. The tax returns would probably show a link to Burkle and that

will lead to questions about the little building in the Cayman Islands. Apparently while Hillary was on the floor of the Senate talking about closing tax loopholes for wealthy people, Bill was up to his ears with businesses being run through Grand Cayman.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aGwhTXxfCSHo&refer=home

[Tippy]

117. Since she has already said she would release them after the convention

Not sure this would be a good idea, has to be something much worse if not the Clinton people will imply Obama and supporters are...sore loosers.. Do we even know if there is something usable in Clinton's tax returns? You know one reason Republicans hated Bill and Hillary so is because in the beginning they made the rethugs look like fools....but in the end who had egg on their face....

[high density]

96. He might as well fling shit at her like she has been doing to him

Just append "as far as I know" onto everything so the press gives you a pass if something is inaccurate.

[redstate_democrat]

107. I'm sure

MOST of Obama's supporters are fed up with "The Clinton Machine's" attacks. They will give him a pass and yes there is a lot of dirt on the Clintons that the MSM has saved for the perfect moment. I wonder what response she will have when the hammer drops? That the MSM is being unfair to her? lol.

What about those tax records?
Bill's Saudi ties?
Hsu?
Hillary's WH records?
Bill's infidelities these past few years?
Mark Penn's ties to the McCain campaign/Blackwater/and his union busting ties?
Hillary's endorsement of the Republican nominee?
Let's reopen the Vince Foster discussion and all that 90's stuff.
Let's talk about her work on the board of Walmart.
Let's look into her meetings with lobbyists, Insurance companies, etc during her Senate terms.
And let's also drill that IWR vote of hers and replay her defense of it during that time.
Hillary's ties with Rupert Murdoch/Fox News/Right Wing radio.
Let's look into EVERYTHING.

[mculator]

97. I'm pro Hillary

And what they are referring to is a Dossier on Bill's infidelities. Who cares. She's the deal, not Bill.

[Barack_America]

100. His infidelities with Dubai businessmen that funded Hillary's loan to her campaign?

Are those the infidelities you speak of?

[spotbird]

108. Or the Foundation money

from Richard Mellon Scaife?

Whatever is in those tax returns she is hiding won't stay secret for the general election.

[Dems Will Win]

145. I heard Bill Clinton was the one who pushed Dubai Ports World takeover of 6 American ports

[MyNameGoesHere]

99. Then let's starting flinging the pooh. If you do you Obama loses.

i know for a fact that the Clintons are the best shit flinger's out there. I am sure they would welcome that fight.

[redstate_democrat]

112. They;ve slung it

they played all their cards. And it turns out that it's all bullshit.

[MyNameGoesHere]

146. Sorry plenty of shit left to fling

or you don't know the Clintons do you?

[JVS]

119. let it fly!

[WinkyDink]

133. What's his problem? Ken Starr wasn't thorough enough for Durbin?

[Cass]

135. The Clintons have been vetted, Obama has not.

The Clintons have been through a $6 million witch hunt that turned up nothing. Obama got testy at an 8 question press conference the other day, imagine how he'd hold up under that $6 million magnifying glass.

Bring it on.

[theboss]

140. Ya think?!?!?!?!?

Wow.

[theboss]

143. If I am Obama, I'd be tempted to copy Ted Kennedy and ask "Where was Hillary?"

When Denise Rich was politicking for a pardon for Mark Rich, "Where was Hillary?"
When Bill Clinton was passing NAFTA with the help of Republican Congressmen, "Where was Hillary?"
When George Bush was lying this country into an unnecessary war, "Where was Hillary?"

I would avoid the boring, tired right-wing-pushed scandals. But you can find plenty of times where she utterly failed to be a leader.

[BooScout]

144. Go ahead....

Do you really think if there was any substantial dirt on Hillary Clinton, the Republicans wouldn't have trotted it out by now?

I seriously doubt Durbin scares Clinton with his empty pathetic threats.

[BenDavid]

147. well hell obama played the race card and the msm took it from

there. Now slowly but surely the truth is coming out about obama and his camapign using this tactic and those writing also are pointing to some in the media that helped them....

when hrc wins the nomination and the presidency, she will insist that there be a shake up in the power structure in the senate and durbin will be defeated as majority whip....