Congrats to Hillary. It was dirty, but it worked. Now she has to use superdelegates to overrule

[thereismore]

the people. That is her way to the nomination. Anybody here disputes it?

[papau]

1. yes - it was a cleaner win than Obama using the race card smear in SC to move the AA vote

[book_worm]

3. Wrong, it was Bill and other Clinton surrogates who tried to play the race card in SC.

Don't try and rewrite history.

[sniffa]

10. Why does Ignored always cling to that?

Ignored seems to applaud the race baiting. Good job Ignored.

[pampango]

40. I wonder if Ignored is again claiming that Obama was pursuing the "successful" Jackson

strategy for winning the Democratic presidential nomination, i.e. winning high AA population states running as a BLACK candidate, even if that cost him most of the white vote in the rest of the country.

[SeaLyons]

37. How Naive

if you think the Clinton's intentionally played the race card. No, it was the Obama camp and surrogates that ran with the race card. Gosh, you give your guy no credit for his slick politcal skills.


Hillary for President!!

[ingac70]

5. Obama used the race card? Pffft.....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-24-sc-bill-clinton_N.htm

[Growler]

11. Obama used the race card?!

That's a joke, right??

[book_worm]

2. After next Tuesday Obama will have 29 victories to her 14

2-1 lead in head to head contests and will still have an advantage in delegates. According to Brokaw 50 Superdelegates are preparing to endorse him. It's going to be hard for super delegates not to support somebody who has won (in the end) 33 or 34 contests and has the most delegates. Hillary will go on because it's her mission--but Obama will be the nominee.

[redqueen]

4. I dispute it.

Everything is going exactly as Obama's campaign predicted it would, save for a win in Maine they didn't expect.

Her victories last night weren't because of her going negative, they were predicted months ago.

[thereismore]

13. You are right. I just saw that video. Amazing. nt

[redqueen]

21. It really was...

gave me all kinds of good feelings. :)

[seabeyond]

15. so her going negatve doesnt matter cause she didnt get a gain? n/t

[redqueen]

20. Well... it didn't matter as far as helping her achieve any unexpected victories.

It does matter in the big picture, though.

Here's why: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4896254

[seabeyond]

24. damn right it does. i couldnt handle the taint of not trusting her, her votes i

didnt agree with and an over all non appreciation of the woman. but i wont vote for another bush/rove. it was a bad move on her part.

[Bright Eyes]

6. It certainly seems the only way she can win now are those

damned SDs. If it comes to that, the party will split in half.

But Hillary Clinton gets her nomination, so who cares?

[NC_Nurse]

7. For every vote she gets this way, she turns some off.

If she gets the nom, she will lose the GE.

[Andy823]

34. I agree

Fear and smear is a right wing tactic, and for her to us it as she did was wrong! McCain will use all of this against the dem nominee, no matter who it is. She gave the repukes more ammo to fight in the GE, and to me it simply shows how far she will lower herself to win the nomination, and that is going to tick off a lot of dems who won't vote in the GE, but will stay home. If she gets the nomination it will also bring out every republican that would have stayed him because they can't stand McCain. For them it's anybody by Clinton, and this helps McCain.

This is going to be messy as hell till the convention, and worse if the super delegates have to get involved.

[Benhurst]

8. Neither is going to reach the magic number with elected delegates.

Whoever wins will have to so with the votes of super delegates.

This has degenerated into a contest between the two biggest losers. Neither will have the higher moral ground for victory.

[Alhena]

9. Yes, but he would be using them to *confirm* the pledged delegates- huge difference

[roesch]

12. Kitchen sink is dirty

The more I watch HRC on C-Span, the more I begin to see the side that Dick Morris describes--I think we are fooling ourselves and helping to elect a Republican.

[Benhurst]

14. Not when you have a system where the pledged delegates don't reflect

the popular vote.

The whole primary system, which both Clinton and Obama went along with, is not democratic.

[thereismore]

17. Not completely, but using supers to overrule elected delegates would be too much. Not gonna happen./

[philk17088]

18. Obama will go Clinton

I see Sen. Obama following Sen. Clinton's lead and going negative and forcing her to address her questionable ehthics, real estate deals, donors, etc.
Also she will be forced to answer her supposed "tested" meme by proving it. Being first lady ain't going to cut it in that arena.

[Benhurst]

22. If he does that, so much for "change" and the "new politics."

He will expose himself as just another Chicago politician. Not a good strategy, especially while Rezko is on trial.

[thereismore]

16. No. There is a difference. She will go into Denver with a deficit in pledged delegates. The key word

is she would have to override the people with supers, and he would not. Don't pretend you didn't know what I was talking about. K?

[Benhurst]

25. They will BOTH go to Denver with a deficit in pledged delegates.

If such were not the case, one of them could have declared victory last night like John McCain. As it stands, neither will be able to do so even by the time of the convention unless one is able to enlist enough super delegates to override the will of the people-- more than half of whom have voted against both candidates,

[thereismore]

28. Yes but we all knew that before March 4. So what else is new. nt

[Benhurst]

31. Nothing is new. They are both going to fail to get the necessary votes

to win the nomination. Victory will be achieved only by using the super delegates to override the will of the majority which voted AGAINST both. So much for all the moral posturing.

[thereismore]

30. When I say she will have a deficit, I mean with respect to him, get it? nt

[Benhurst]

32. Big deal. They both will have failed to make the mark. And both

have been rejected by a majority of those who voted in the primaries. So much for the high moral ground for either of them. Being the biggest loser means nothing. If it had, the rules would have been written to give the nomination to whichever candidate achieved a plurality. They weren't.

[paperbag_ princess]

19. they both have to use superdelegates to over rule the voters

Obama is going to have to over rule half of the democrats ....just like Hillary.

They both will have to make their case. Obama that he leads in delegate count...Hillary that she has won the more important swing states ...

[Benhurst]

23. Shh! The truth doesn't matter.

[ClassWarrior]

26. So voters in some states are more important than others?

NGU.

[Benhurst]

27. Unfortunately, thanks to the Electoral College, very much so.

My vote as a resident of a very red state has never counted in a presidential election.

[ClassWarrior]

29. Then Clinton needs to concede now.

Obama's won more states, more votes, and more delegates.

NGU.

[Benhurst]

33. Unfortunately for Obama, he did not win enough states, enough votes or

enough delegates to win the nomination. But go ahead and change the rules mid-election. I guess that's the "new" politics.

[ClassWarrior]

38. But I thought that the argument against Clinton conceding was that all states...

...are important. But go ahead and change the rules mid-election. I guess that's the "new" politics.

:rofl:

NGU.

[Benhurst]

39. With any luck, there will be a better system in place in 2012.

[ClassWarrior]

42. It's not going to take luck. It's going to take work.

I'm up to it. Are you?

NGU.

[Benhurst]

43. Yes. But from past experience, reform will only be possible

if we lose. If we win, the powers that be will not be open to change.

If we do lose, which I fear is far more likely than many around here think, it is imperative this mess be straightened up before 2012.

[writes3000]

35. REDQUEEN???? (Nevermind)

I see you talking about a video - maybe talking about the Obama's view of the future.

(I found it and it's great. Thanks.)

[TheZug]

36. The Bush/Clinton elite are only interested in power.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. It's her only way to the nomination and it's DISPICABLE, but no . . .

I do not dispute that.