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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:01 PM
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Du'ers: Who will benefit most from a continued Dem race?
What does other Du'ers out there think?

Will McCain? Or will he be hurt from the lack of media attention? Or will the continued attention toward Dems allow them to get a better message out there with less media following him until the conventions?

Or will the continued attention hurt Dems? Or does having two possible Dem nominees still dilute the right wing attack machine?

Thoughts?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:03 PM
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1. McCain short term, the GOP for at least a decade
Hillary will make the democrats look dirty and nasty, and this will make McCain seem like a nice guy.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:04 PM
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2. I think he be hurt from the lack of media attention.
The focus is on the Democrats.
The to sides just need to clean it up and make it about beating McCain. That will also give the remaining primary voters the opportunity to see who can attack the right wing tactics the best.

It also gives all the Democratic voters a vote. If this was already wrapped up, the rest of the primary voters could feel like they didn't take part in the system.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:14 PM
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9. Your thougths are what I'd like to see...
I'd like to see the Dems take advantage of all the spotlight and just hammer McCain - push a "For four more years of the same, vote McCain." (My father came up with that one).

I think Dean should implore to both campaigns that the future is about Nov and that should be their primary goal - hammer McCain three times to one time toward each other.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:26 PM
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20. So negative media attention is a good thing?
While McCain stays above the fray?

I don't think so....
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 PM
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24. No, not what I meant...
What I meant is I'd like to see the two dems focus on beating McCain and hammer him. Make it about beating McCain; not each other. But alas, the report I saw on CNN today was that the Clinton campaign insiders were claiming their new goal is to "sow the seeds of doubt" as to Obama's ability to be the commander in chief.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:04 PM
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3. McCain becuz he focuses on getting his positives up while Hillary and Obama are
going at each other. I'm getting to think the nomination will be worthless.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:05 PM
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4. TV corporations
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:06 PM
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5. I think it's fairly obvious unfortunately
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 12:08 PM by HannibalBarca
Hillary will keep hitting Obama hard and a back and forth will ensure in terms of states won and lost by the two of them. This will no doubt go on until June or even longer all the while JMcCain will be campaigning on a unified ticket with whoever is his VP. In essence the longer this continues the better for the Republicans, simply. Hillary will never withdraw therefore she will fight until the bitter end despite the ramifications. I would support her in doing this if she had the majority of the delegates but this will be extremely improbable so it's really bad news for democrats all around to be honest.

Edit: I personally think Obama is a better candidate for innumerable reasons.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:04 AM
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27. What's obvious to you isn't obvious to me.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:09 PM
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6. McCain is already benefiting from this fight.
And if we don't watch it, McCain will win a third Bush term in November. That's why we have got to come to some sort of conclusion as soon as possible or we will be in big trouble. Our eventual nominee may be so bloodied up that the nomination may be next to worthless. But how we can stop this blood letting I don't don't. Sorry but I'm feeling really pessimistic right now.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:22 PM
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15. Yes he is, he is going around the country building his base, raising money
and today gets Bush backing and fundraising from the core, he is now entitled to the RNC money and power.

While the media follows the soap opera of the Dem nomination he is building a stronghold with Repubs, Indies, mod Dems and of course all military families and vets.

If we don't have a nominee until August, after the convention (worse if the convention is protested) there will not be much time to 'unite' and the repubs can just air all the negatives from the dem primary.

That doesn't even take into consideration the 527's that will undoubtedly be active.


Hopefully we will have a nominee before summer starts, so we can engage America on the Democratic agenda, not the soap opera.


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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:12 PM
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7. Depends on how the campaign for Pennsylvania is conducted.
If we spend most of the time talking about issues (on which both of our candidates are infinitely better than McCain) we will benefit tremendously as people realize how out of touch McCain really is.

If our candidates spend their time dragging each other down with negative ads and campaign tactics, I think McCain will be a very happy guy.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:13 PM
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8. McCain and the GOP, all term n/t
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:15 PM
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10. Lots of free air time for Dems; how will they use it?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:15 PM
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11. It depends
If this campaign goes nasty the rest of the way, it'll hurt the party. If it doesn't go nasty (ha!) it will help the party.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:16 PM
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12. The campaign advisors who get paid a % of each ad buy.
The media whores who are selling advertising. They move the goal posts every day to keep this thing going.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:18 PM
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13. McCain, Unless Our Candidates Start Double-Teaming Him
The way the race is going now, McCain will win by a landslide.

If Obama and Clinton stop attacking each other and start double-teaming McCain, then things could turn out very differently.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:18 PM
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14. I am a democrat and to me, McCain is coming across as likeable
and unifying where the democrats are coming across as fractured and scorched earth, win-at-any-cost nasty.

Imagine what the independents are thinking.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:23 PM
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16. CNN and other media outlets
and to a lesser extent, the Democratic party - it makes our candidates look like the important ones. McCain has nobody to campaign against now so he's going to be reduced to giving speeches and hoping for free airtime.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:24 PM
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17. The Democrats, obviously. No one is going to mention McCain's name until summer, now.
He's going to have to request troops from Bush to storm the Sunday morning talk shows just to let people know he's still alive. Serious philosophical question: If McCain runs an election and the media isn't around to cover it, does it make a sound? The answer is no.

Obama and Clinton will fight it out, make everyone (not just Dems) choose sides, and maybe not settle it until the convention. After continuous news coverage and months of speculation about whether anything can ever again unite the Democrats, Obama and Clinton will kiss and make up, unite against the real evil, and McCain will have to figure out how to get his best friends to remember that he's actually in the race, too.

The Republicans are the ones on the run, lest we forget. They are the ones everyone blames, and laughs at. This only makes it harder for McCain. I've never seen a candidate withdraw from the general election, but it might almost happen this year.

Optimism, folks. Optimism. There will always be busted plays and lost yardage on a winning touchdown drive. It's the goal line that matters.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:25 PM
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18. I'll go with the concensus of the universe minus the Clinton supporters'
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 12:25 PM by mmonk
opinion.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:25 PM
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19. Repugs
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:27 PM
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21. McCain benefits
HRC will get smoked by McCain in the GE.

Obama would smoke McCain in the GE. A bloodied Obama, or a HRC candidacy, is very good news for John McCain.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:00 PM
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22. I wonder
if its possible that the continuation will give more people the opportunity to vote and it might strengthen the Democratic Party. McCain is a cry baby and a fool. Kissing george bush is enough for most people to reject him.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:01 PM
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23. The Republicans - including the House and Senate races.
Democrats once again pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:01 AM
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25. That's about it.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:56 AM by mac2
They pick candidates to lose so the Republicans can win. I'm not happy with either party and the candidates agenda...not 100% anyway.

I'm against NAFTA and those trade organizations which take away our ability to set our own goals and borders. Elite trade Groups and secret negotiations don't care what we think. It's unconstitutional and a very bad idea since we now have huge trade deficits (didn't before NAFTA).

We've destroyed many farmers their life in Mexico. Mexico sends their poor and criminal to ours. Both of us suffer from NAFTA. These trade agreements and secret unions have left many of the world's population desperate and in refugee camps. At least six countries have had their governments and infrastructure destroyed by our influence or invasion.

Religious wars are encouraged by our President. He pays them off with our tax dollars (big black hole of no accountability) for votes. Both parties ignore our Constitution regarding religion. They can't be more "religious".

Amnesty is a way to make us a 3rd world country and steal our resources, Common wealth, and financial wealth. To destroy democracy and break the trade unions. We've lost control of our borders and our laws. Cities and whole states are thinking sanctuary for illegal immigrants (what!). We have so many illegals that they are taking over our government leaders who only care about votes (Hispanics being about 20% of the country in short years).

No candidate has promised our Constitution and Bill of Rights back on the first day...not "sorta or maybe". They've ignored it up to now.

No candidate has said, they'd support impeachment of the worst President and VP in our history. It is their responsibility for over sight. Why now when they are almost out of office? They've robbed us and murdered many. I don't want them back again in office nor do I want to pay for their protection and benefits for life. They don't deserve it. Not one member of Congress mentions that fact.

This administration rapes our national park lands for foreign lumber company profit. They abuse them and think of how developers can take them.

We citizens of both parties asked for National Health Care in 2006 but are ignored. Give it to children, give it to the uninsured, etc. No we want everyone covered (except those who aren't citizens or here legally). We don't want to pay for corporations to have cheap slave labor health care.

It's OK that Halliburton is off-shore in Dubai and making 65% profits (on our war but we don't see a bit of it). War profiteering is almost encouraged by them for their own self interest.

Drug companies don't care if their drugs are harmful...even bribe to have the government look the other way...same with food, water, and air. That agency "box" just doesn't function.

We have no idea what is in/or how safe any product imported into our country. Our government "boxes" made so small and powerless they can't function. Grover Norquist has gotten his wish "to drown the federal government in a bath tub".

Our technology and markets...manufacturing corporations have declared themselves international. They've moved to 3rd world slave labor and don't pay their share of the taxes. No one goes to jail for their fraud and corporate robbery. We can't compete with and are becoming slave labor ourselves.

Our dollar plunges yet they stay in the lies of war, terrorism, and 911. No one is held accountable or goes to jail who failed us. Everything is hidden and secret so they aren't blamed or we find out the truth.

The Congress all gave the President king like powers under the guise of "terrorism lies". The top candidates are members of that Congress who forgot their oath of office and the ability to seek the truth behind the curtain (Shadow Government under Neo Cons).

They approved the appointment of Bush agency heads and then act surprised when they betray us. The Justice Department stops all investigations cold. Impeach him for not doing his duty. He doesn't make law or have the power to make new ones...or do what is good for one party leader to protect their criminal actions. This is the same judge who prevented investigation of 911 by families and NY City citizens.

Our government cares more about giving foreign countries our jobs...even federal jobs are "off shored" to India. My private information and security are in danger. I didn't pay taxes for that fraud.

TV and radio has been destroyed by corporate greed and political agenda. Frankly it stinks with sports, religion, RW talk hosts, and unending news sound bites (over and over). Even the classical stations have "depressing music" all the time (to ruin their public support). The repeats were common before the writers strike. The liberal programs forced off the air to satellites, etc. at cost to us. The RWers get cheaper programing while we liberals have to pay or sit near our computers.

In summery, they've made a mess. We won't find our way of life better or "changed" under any of the present candidates. I'd like to think I might be wrong for our sake. Corruption and greed ruined the Roman Empire why not the USA Empire?

The world has always had wars and strife. The critical issue here is that they want to use nuclear bombs. So much of our enviornment has already been ruined by war weapons yet they fail to address it.

I can turn the Orwellian like candidates off but find myself missing important news.

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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 AM
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26. The next Republican President
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:33 AM
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28. This will obviously benefit McCain and Nader
the bloodier and dirtier it gets.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:33 AM
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29. John McCain
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WVRevy Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:35 AM
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30. Depends on the type of race it is
If Hillary sticks to the issues and debating policy, then I think the extended "race" will help Obama in the long run (he's going to be the nominee...there is no use arguing that at this point).

However, if she continues to slime her way through the next month-and-a-half, then yes, it definitely helps McCain.
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