I hope all the bashers are happy now !

[blues90]

The two sides you Dem against Dem corporate party bashers have done is sealed a split party . It may end up like 1968 .

Instead of buying into all the insane hype people should have ignored the media shills and even the progressive radio bandwagon as well as the right wing freaks and backed Edwards and we my not be in this mess right now .

Instead you played into the Obama mania and Hillary camp and now look like un-wrapped suckers melting in the sun .

Instead of backing someone who stood up to the corporations and demanded he get his fair time in debates so his platform could have been heard you people instead and once again bought into nothing other than sheer hype and hysteria and drove a wedge right down the center of the Dem party .

It was not enough for you to see how the Dem party in the senate and congress have reached across the aisle and failed once again after 2006 while they continued to ignore the people and the constitution by confirming another set of freaks and even offering one as the new AJ .

I hope you are all happy now planning how each of the two corporate Dems will continue with your strategic insanity to take each other down and offer your useless advice .

You have only yourselves to blame .

[redqueen]

1. Is this productive for you, somehow?

[monmouth]

3. Yeah, really...n/t

[blues90]

6. No, it's the damn truth that you are unwilling to face

What's the problem , can't face reality ?

[redqueen]

10. I faced it long ago, which is why I'm not acting all shocked and surprised

at the state this country is in.

Catch up.

[blues90]

13. Exactly what did you face alone time ago ?

And catch up to what ? Catch up to the fact that what is left to vote for are two cadidates that will do nothing to change a damn thing with their corporate aspirations .

Sorry but you completely missed my point which is not surprising at all .

[redqueen]

14. Whatever.

Have fun learning about US politics. Try to, at least. It's not pretty. Not at all.

FWIW, I supported Kucinich last time around, to the bitter end. This time I switched to Edwards after he did the deal with Obama in Iowa, and then to Obama a while after Edwards dropped out.

[blues90]

15. I know about politics , this does not mean I should just accept the way

things are and forget about changing the process . I should just go along to get along , no way on earth will I sell out and settle for endless streams of crap the public are sold .

So you supported Kucinich and then Edwards and now you are just fine that they were tossed to the side lines by the swill of the media we have , is this what you are saying ?

[redqueen]

16. Not just no...

but HELL FUCKING NO...

It makes me sick to think of how the media and $$$ are allowed to have so much control over this process... but what can we do right now to change it? That's how I look at it... what can I do at this moment?

The way I see it, the only hope we have of getting the $$ out is to elect a Dem, not just one in the WH, but all up and down the ballot... because while they're not all angels, they're a damn sight better than any repuke, and that's just a fact.

Same with the media... DLC Bill may have reneged on his promise to get us some legislation which would regulate the airwaves like the old Fairness Doctrine used to do, but I do believe that ONLY a Dem will even ever try... so once again, my only choice right now, is to support Dems.

Am I happy that I have been forced away from my first and second (and IMO much BETTER) candidates? No. Am I happy that the system is as rotten and stinky as it is? No. But do I think that there's not much I can do about it while $$$ and corporate media still hold most of the cards? Yeah... I do. If you disagree... well hey, more power to ya... and please do share your thoughts / plans / ideas on how to do that. Cause from where I'm sittin, we're pretty much powerless against $$$ & the corporate media. *sigh*

[blues90]

19. The way i see it is a bit odd but here goes .

First off if it can be said that people are waking up then to question this I ask in what way ? If this wake up could be applied to ignoring the media power of spin then yes , people have woken up . This is not the case however and this is really the root of the problem that people do have the power to control , where each one makes a difference .

To take this a step further suppose that it was just Hillary and Edwards and Kucinich with a few others running on the fringe but no Obama . It may have been possible that Hillary would have been beaten by Edwards and Kucinich may have had the chance to become at least VP .

However everything was narrowed down to Obama and Hillary in short order and the Obama what I call craze and I well know you won't agree with any of this I say about Obama . What this did do is push the true liberals out and focus on just what the DLC wanted .

I only say this because Hillary was known to be in the running before Obama , if this were not the case than they would be interchangeable in this process .

There must be a starting point where we turn this around , now we are faced with at least 4 more years of a stall in progress and a continued down fall of the economy and more wars .

I now the media is set in stone and may never change so this is where people need to take their protest and if this means ignoring media then so be it , teach people the media is their prime enemy .

We are not going to break the corporate power by stopping consumption of goods , we know this will never happen and the TV media is the first step to consumption so this is where people need to start .

Anything we try is going to be a long process but if we don't take the first step we are stuck with this closing gap two party system and generations of DLC Democrats .

I know we should have started many years ago and just perhaps we would be there this time . Perhaps if Clinton had not been the president we would have been worse off now and had an 8 year head start and bush jr would have never made the steal .

I am more concerned who is in the senate and congress than I am who is president and I think a lot of people miss this point completely .

[bunnies]

2. uhhhhh.

ok? :shrug:

[americanstranger]

18. Love your sig, BTW.

Figured I'd say that. I've been giggling at it all day.

- as

[mdmc]

4. bring down the corrupt DLC party ... Lets have true opposition

to the corporations.

I don't care if we run BO, HRC, or Al Gore. The DLC is still in charge.

[anigbrowl]

5. No way! The TWUE hope of the left was Dennis Kucinich!

He won his election last night, which PROVES he should have been the candidate!

Well, it's as silly as the OP.

[blues90]

11. My first choice was Kucinich and he got even less of a chance

I could see he was going to get pushed out once again . I don't feel I was being silly at all . Edwards was the next best who found for the people and the poor and against the corps .

[RememberWellstone]

7. Lets give Peace a chance?

After the war of the primary of course.:-)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

8. 1968 was about candidates with policy differences

The average Dem has no interest in storming the ramparts for Clinton or Obama.

TV talking heads and die hard supporters of either candidate will be dramatic, but when push comes to shove the average Dem knows the differences here are mostly stylistic.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Wait... So Just How Long Is It Going To Take You To Get Over Edwards Losing?

Sheesh.

[blues90]

12. It's not a matter of getting over anything .

I am well past Edwards being shoved out , however if he hadn't we would not be in this situation now .

What , I am supposed to fall in line and feel great that with either Hillary or Obama are people who represent me , they don't , neither has the strength to fight the corporations , both will play alone and you have to knwo this .

There is a vast difference between getting over something and knowing people were suckered . This reality cannot be changed .

[Baclava]

17. Can't we all just get along?

The DNC is alive and well.

[robbedvoter]

20. Wait: who died?

:shrug:

[ozone_man]

21. I don't see a problem.

Democratic party infighting is typical. There is more diversity and more variation in opinions, more to disagree about in the Democratic Party.

It may end up like 1968.

Some of us are hoping for that actually. :) Riots in the streets and all. We want a revolution, not just more status quo corporate politics.

In that sense I completely understand your frustration. Also, having come from a Mike Gravel to John Edwards path myself. Settling for less and less along the way. I really don't see much difference politically between Obama and Clinton, so it is just a beauty contest now. To get rid of the DLC makes voting for Obama attractive, but he has his own brand of cross-over appeal to Reagan Democrats and conservative evangelists.

So, it's really a no win situation for me. I prefer Obama slightly, but voted yesterday for Edwards, because he was on the ballot and it was a vote of conscience. I was pissed that Gravel wasn't on the ballot though. :D

As someone else said, it is possible to "over think" the problem, meaning that sometimes just going with the lesser of two evils is the best thing to do. I'll wait for the general to make that call.

Tortuous logic that some of these "electable" Democratic candidates put us through to vote for them. :)

[FedoraLV]

22. Cheer Up

Those 26 delegates may give him more power than any of things you deplore in your post: Edwards voters may turn out to be the most important people in this whole race. :hug:

-FedoraLV