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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:42 PM
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I think the tug-of-war between Obama and Hillary is GREAT
I know I am in the minority but I think this primary competition between BO and HC is actually good for the Dems. Why?

It is called SCREEN TIME. Look how much cable news chatter, talk radio chatter, newspaper articles and editorials, blogs, etc. have been discussing Hillary Hillary Hillary Obama Obama Obama. Besides last night we haven't heard John McCain's name in weeks besides Hill or Obama throwing him down on something.

"Screen time" is priceless folks. McCain will NEVER get the amount of news coverage that the two Dems are getting now. Just because WE argue violently on here about the two candidates doesn't mean that mainstream America does. They want answers and solutions. Both Hill and Obama's message is quite progressive overall. Nearly every speech throws Bush and McCain under the bus.

One last thought...competition is GREAT for raising money. McCain has no competition essentially right now.

That's my two cents. Your thoughts?
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:43 PM
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1. I agree
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:43 PM
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2. Unfortunately, it is negative and self-destructing
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:44 PM
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5. yep, seems to be generating free anti-nom ads for the GOP. nt
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samdogmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:46 PM
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10. And, if I can add--the more they fight
the harder it is going to be for their supporters to come together and support the ultimate winner. I know, I'm neutral about McCain right now, but I loath my candidate's Democratic opponent.

That's going to be a problem that will take a huge clean-up brigade to fix!

We need a Democrat in the White House next year!
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:43 PM
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3. as for the money, I hope there's some left for the GE. McCain can quit spending for a while. nt
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:46 PM
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11. This is the General Election
The money being spent is branding both candidates. One of the two will be the GE nominy. Again, screen time right now is free. Thousands of newscasts, cable news coverage, talk radio, public radio/NPR, blogs, etc.

As for the negativity...I haven't actually seen that much overall. The two candidates will "out" each other more now than ANY other Republican could do later in the year.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:51 PM
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14. I think it's not just quantity but quality of screen time; also donations go to either primary or GE
I may be wrong on the donations, but I thought you had to specify whether they go to primary or GE. Maybe the primary leftovers can be rolled to the GE later? Can they cross nominees (or would either of them save them for their senate reelection). Other dropped-out candidates have $$ leftover too, though most will use it for their other federal campaigns I expect.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:44 PM
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4. Yeah, I remember when IMPEACHMENT was all over the news too. It sucked. -eom
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:45 PM
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6. So Do I
And anyways, wouldn't it be nice for Oregon and Kentucky to feel useful?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:45 PM
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7. Well there's a silver lining I didn't see before...
I can't say it makes me like the situation any more, especially considering the slime-ball tactics coming from Hillary... but at least it's a bright side. :)

Also... I heard from a republican coworker that McCain's starting to pull in some big money... not sure where that came from though.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:45 PM
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8. I can't stand HRC, I am starting to dig on BO, and Mac don't bother me
So let them fight it out. Worse case scenario, the corporations continue to rule the world.
No matter who wins, worse case scenario.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:46 PM
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9. It's Fugly
fugly isn't good!

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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 PM
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12. It's fugly on here
But for the average joe who is a mediocre fan of politics they see headlines. They might see debates. It is not as ugly out "there" than it is in here.

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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:35 PM
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18. The Ugly Is What Was Hurled
by Clinton towards Obama, and now he's going to have to turn more negative and Hill will go absolutely nuclear. All of this will be used against who ever our candidate is, and I believe it will be Obama, will come back and used by McBush.

I was so hoping this would have ended last night.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:51 PM
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13. It seems from the national polls and just general psychological principle that...
the more our candidates get bloody and dirty the more it will demoralize half of the party that doesn't eventually win.

All the while, McCain is left unscathed and is not really taken to task on anything.

A guy like Obama needs time with voters to make his case and until he's the nominee a lot of people aren't going to pay that close of attention. He always does better with more lead in time.

I'm of the camp that we have to put our personal gripes away and do what's best for the future of the coalition on the left. Dragging it out and spending our resources fighting ourself may have few benefits but much greater costs.
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:52 PM
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15. START ATTACKING JOHN MC CAIN FER CRISSAKES!! Idiots.
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GihrenZabi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:14 PM
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16. Bad for the Party
I couldn't disagree more. This endless back and forth is practically handing the Presidency to McCain.

Ultimately, you aren't seeing healthy debate within the Party - you're seeing the formation of two very dedicated camps on either side which may not have much crossover when all is said and done.

Obama's supporters see Hillary as old news and more of the same, and include moderates who may vote Republican, young people who are getting energized and becoming part of the process purely for Obama, and wealthy whites who have the money to support a general election.

Hillary's supporters see Obama as inexperienced and not competent enough for the position, tend to be blue-collar Americans, and more and more seem to be coming from the Hispanic population.

Explain to me why either of these groups of people are going to jump ship to the other candidate depending on how things turn out?

Furthermore, where do we go from here?

1) Obama has no choice but to go negative now. Dirty campaigns don't help anyone. Now both Hillary AND Obama are going to be making a laundry list of attacks for McCain to just pick up and throw at whoever wins.

2) Barring some Act of God, Hillary is not going to catch up to Obama in terms of pledged delegates. Look at last night...she "won" Texas but only received 4 more pledged delegates than Obama as of the most recent totals, and I don't believe the caucuses, where Obama tends to win, have even reported their results yet.

As of right now, Obama has actually INCREASED his lead in pledged delegates even though he "lost" three of four contests last night!

So, it looks more and more like the only way Hillary is walking away with the nomination is through smoke-filled-room political chicanery at a brokered convention. Doing so means alienating all the young voters campaigning behind Obama, irritating the independents who voted for Obama, and generally weakening the Party as a whole.

If Hillary wins the nomination, you can kiss all the moderates and independents goodbye. She's beginning with a weakened voter base to begin with. They're all going to vote for McCain.

If Obama wins the nomination, Hillary will have laid into him so hard that he'll be depleted for a general election with McCain, who will have had the advantage of months of a Republican Party in lock-step behind him, getting ready for the battle of the general election.


Take a look at the most recent polls - Obama has a lead on McCain in a general election, whereas Hillary is in a dead heat. More and more Obama is looking more electable...and Hillary can only run by alienating a large portion of the voting base which supported her current opponent.

So why is Hillary still running?

Is this really about what she thinks is best for the American people anymore, or is it about her own lust for power? Is this really about putting forth the best Democratic candidate for the general election, or is it more typical Clinton slick political nonsense?


I'm a registered independent who tends to vote Democrat...and I would vote for Obama over McCain, but McCain over Hillary. The way she is dragging this Democratic primary into the mud disgusts me. She isn't winning votes by putting forth her own plans and resting on her own personality and experience, she's winning votes by attacking Obama and mocking the spirit he seems to be kindling among people.

That's just typical political bullshit, and sort of validates everything Obama's been saying. It's business as usual, and that's been getting us nowhere for almost two decades.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:23 PM
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17. Drama
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:19 PM
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19. yeah,
I think that the public at large feels the same way.They like both Candidates and while may prefer one over the other would be happy with either.

The money being raised for OUR side this year is record breaking!Finally Democrats are out raising Repuplics' in numbers that let them compete on a grand scale.Woo!

It's not pretty at times but Democrats RULE the airwaves and THAT is a good thing.
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