To HELL with the Dream Ticket!

[JackORoses]

Now that Hillary and her supporters have determined that they cannot win this contest outright, they are trying to bully Obama into sharing the ticket with her.

Get over it, Hillary. You have been beaten.
Quit trying to glom onto Obama.

He has a far greater chance of success in the Fall with someone else as his VP.
And don't even think that you can someway weasel into the top spot by claiming seniority.

The Delegate count is what it is. He still leads by more than 100 after yesterday.
Yesterday awarded the largest Delegate amount left in these primaries and she was only able to gain a handful. His lead will increase with the coming contests in WY and MS.

There will be no more days like yesterday. It was her big chance to make big gains and he stopped her.

Let him have this, Hillary. He has done something extraordinary.
He doesn't have to compromise himself just to appease you.

Let it Go!

[thereismore]

1. That's right. That's her ticket. To bully Obama into VP. The last firewall. To hell with her. nt

[blocker]

12. She really really needs obama and his supporters!

she's already got half the country detesting her, imagine also losing obamas dedicated supporters..lol go ahead clinton keep destroying Obama.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. Hillary is the ONLY VP chocie that could get me to sit out the GE.

[thereismore]

31. Just curious: is it because you want her to be on top of ticket or b'c you don't want her period.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. I don't want Hillary on top, bottom, or sideways, I'm that disgusted with her behavior.

[jgraz]

66. Hillary's last firewall is John McCain

A McCain victory gives her another shot in 2012.

[akbacchus_BC]

76. Noooooooooo, Am sure he will not be bullied to be the VP ...

With Bill in the limelight, the VP will just be a rubber stamp. Hope Senator Obama do not sell us out by taking that carrot, he will be redundant as the VP. Just my humble opinion!

[scheming daemons]

2. kick & rec

[Seen the light]

3. Why do they call it a "dream" ticket? Having Clinton on there would be a nightmare n/t

[musicblind]

45. Because it is a dream for about 85% of all democrats.

Sorry you fall into the bottom 15%.

Here are the numbers from CNN’s exit polls.


Ohio
73% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
66% of democrats would be satisfied if Obama is the nominee

Texas
71% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
65% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

Rhode Island
75% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
63% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

and now… in Vermont… which is extremely hostile territory for Clinton and very pro-Obama…

Vermont
70% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
82% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee



Most don't despise as you guys do.

[Flabbergasted]

59. If it happens they need to change the name. Dream ticket sounds HORRIBLE.

[musicblind]

60. How bout the super happy magic orgasim ticket?

:D :loveya: :D

[Flabbergasted]

61. Unity ticket. nt

[musicblind]

63. Awww shucks :(

Couldn't we at least throw in the words "carebears" and "rainbows"?

It could be the super happy magic rainbow friends and carebears unity ticket?





...sorry, I'm in a silly mood tonight :+

[Flabbergasted]

64. Oh, don't get me wrong...

It's a great idea but...

what if the voters aren't in a "silly mood" election night?

:scared:

[susankh4]

86. super happy magic rainbow friends and carebears unity ticket

I'm down with that one!

But can we get Barney and the Teletubbies on it too?

[musicblind]

97. Only if the gay one gets to be on top!

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. ROFLMAO!!!!!

Some of you are just TOO silly!

:crazy:

[JackORoses]

13. Hillary and Mac have Experience, Obama just has a Speech, right?

She will not be on the Ticket.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. Fret Not: He'll Make An AWESOME VP.

Personally, I'm excited as hell about it! We all should be! It will be an unstoppable ticket!

:bounce:

[JackORoses]

16. He will not be VP. Neither will she.

Sad that your best hope now is to force this Shared ticket.
You have totally given up on Hillary winning independently.
So now you are bargaining...
No Deal!

[workinclasszero]

92. Get real!

Obama has the most delegates and owns the popular vote as well.

He is the president on any so-called dream ticket!

[sandnsea]

5. Hillary has NO appeal to Obama's voters

I don't understand why they don't get this.

[Cha]

38. They don't get anything but

dirty politics and I'm hoping enough people are sick of her ways to oust her back to New York.

[musicblind]

47. She must have some appeal ...

Here are the numbers from CNN’s exit polls.


Ohio
73% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
66% of democrats would be satisfied if Obama is the nominee

Texas
71% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
65% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

Rhode Island
75% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
63% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

and now… in Vermont… which is extremely hostile territory for Clinton and very pro-Obama…

Vermont
70% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
82% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

Not everyone despises as you guys do.

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[AtomicKitten]

7. His entire candidacy is about moving away from her style of politics.

I would never support her on the ticket. Evah.

[bling bling]

18. Me neither.

Seeing her on TV is setting off my gag reflex now. She should have put the party's best interests first and withdrawn today based on the mathematical inability to beat Obama without damaging the party. Had she done the right thing and he asked her to be his VP I would respect his choice. But her clawing her way to the ticket to clutch the precious is contemptible. Hillary is just gross and I would rather Obama risk losing her bitter fanclub rather than putting her on the ticket and then we're all bitter. I don't trust her anymore. She's a ruthless Washington businesswoman who fancies herself the CEO in a "game" chock-full of polls and lobbyists. A wheeler and dealer if I ever saw one. No principles left.

No want.

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. bling bling, you took the words right outta my mouth....

I now have the same automatic reflex when I see her on teevee, just like Bush. I can't reach the remote quick enough. If Obama's smart, and I think he is, he'll run a mile from the Clintons so as not to be tainted by the very real hatred in this country for them. At the barbershop today, people were actually saying that they would cross over and vote for McCain if Hillary's the nominee; makes me wonder how far and widespread this sentiment is.

She owes her "win" in Texas to Rush Limbaugh :puke:

[Alhena]

8. Disagree, it's not about Hillary, it's about her supporters ...

and like it or not, she has a bunch of them. I dislike Hillary pretty strongly, but if she wants to be VP then Obama can't really tell her "no" after all the votes she's won this year. She will have a lot of influence in whether her supporters turn to McCain if/when she loses, and we need her on our side.

I actually thought she wouldn't *want* to be VP, but her statements today indicate otherwise. So if she wants it she should have it.

[JackORoses]

19. No way. She has won votes through despicable means. She deserves no reward.

Having her on the ticket totally distorts the Politics of Hope.
She said it was False Hope, for crying out loud!

She doesn't belong in the White House anymore.
Her time has passed. She should accept that.

[NYDem Observer]

20. Clinton doesn't want to be VP

I have never heard her make that claim. She only imagines a world where she is pres and Obama is VP.

[BornBlue]

40. No. . .

If Obama wants to offer it to her, then it is her choice. As the winner of the primary he or she gets to choose the VP. The loser of the primary does not have 1st dibs on the VP spot, no matter how hard they worked. Besides I don't think that Obama would lower himself just to get her "core" supporters.

[John Q. Citizen]

69. The Obama/Clinton slogan can be "Change we can believe in -but not much!"

I'm sure changing the message Obama has invested in and nurtured for the last year and a half would be a piece of cake. Voters are suckers after all, and you can just switcharoo any old message any old time you want.

That's why coke is always changing the name of their flag-ship product. Coca Cola, Happy Syrup, Glug Glug. It's doesn't matter what your branding is. It doesn't matter what your message is. Every week they are changing from 'It's the real thing,' to 'the fantasy beverage,' to 'Unbelievably good.'

Just put anyone on the ticket and tell the voters you are changing the whole deal that attracted them to you in the first place.
And McCain will win.

Or I have an idea.

Run Obama on the top of the ticket and let him pick a VP who meshes with his message, and beat the living crap out of grandpa McCain.

Almost all of Hill's voters will choose Obama over McCain, guaranteed. Why? Because they are Democrats, and Obama is a Democrat, and McCain is a Republican, running on george bush policies. Simple. And it doesn't confuse the hell out of the brand and the message.

[susankh4]

89. No. It will be

"Change you can believe in, experience you can trust."

and it will take the GE by storm.

[DJ13]

9. K&R

My thoughts as well.

[ProSense]

10. Exactly! n/t

[Vinca]

11. I don't want Clinton on the ticket because I don't want us to lose. nt

[stillrockin]

14. Clinton = repug victory.

[peace13]

17. I have never before seen the guy in second place

offer second to the first place runner. Really folks. You do realize that Obama is ahead in delegates and that Hillary has been chasing him for months. Why does each post sound like she is winning? Only in America.

[backscatter712]

21. You really want Mark Penn on Obama's campaign team?

Yeah, Blackwater Penn's a real winner for those of us who want change...

[FrenchieCat]

22. Amen......

it is White Middle Class women who care more than any other about the Supreme Court nominees. If one thinks that they will vote for McCain over Obama if it came down to it, they are in for a shock.

Winning Democratic Voters in States that are already blue doesn't impress anyone....and just like Hillary states about Red States that Obama won, Ohio ain't necessarily gonna turn blue just because HIllary is on the ticket.

In otherwords, Hillary has little to put on the bargaining table to compel one to think that she should be at the head of the ticket......although her campaign is desperately attempting to spin it otherwise. :eyes:

[bleowheels]

23. She knows that withouth Obama, the African American and youth vote stay home.

She can't beat McCain without those voting blocks. So much for excitement and a new generation getting interested in politics. Hillary as the nominee for President puts an end to all of that.

[Fran Kubelik]

30. And without her name recognition and perceived experience, we lose votes

So why not both? Why not youth and women and people of color? Why is this a bad thing?

[JackORoses]

32. Her Name Recognition is a Negative in a General Election

Repukes hate her passionately. You know it.

It's bad because Hillary does and says anything to try to take the Nomination, and when she realizes that she cannot win fairly she say,"Oh, let's be a team now."

If she was in the lead she would not be saying this. A shared ticket is the only way for her dream of being President to continue. No Deal.

[Fran Kubelik]

33. Some do; There are a lot who don't hate her.

A lot who are looking for a change from the last 8 years and think McCain isn't enough different... but they want to feel like they know the candidate they are voting for. Life was good under the Clintons, they think. Don't underestimate that voter. They would definitely vote for Clinton. I know a lot of them who would...people I never in a million years would have thought would vote for a Dem.

[JackORoses]

37. You are just talking nonsense now.

In every contest up until yesterday, any Republican crossover vote was going to Obama heavily.
Yesterday was different because of the Right Wing effort to keep Hillary in this.

Don't underestimate the numbers of Republicans that will come out to vote against a Clinton in the General Election. It's just not a risk we can afford to take.

[Fran Kubelik]

50. I am talking about having BOTH on the ticket.

What are YOU talking about?

[JackORoses]

51. Hillary has spent the past 2 weeks attacking Obama in any way she can

She has called him unqualified and not even as prepared as McCain.

She has insinuated that he might be a Muslim.
She has told him to be ashamed of himself.

She does not belong on the same ticket with him.
She is not the Change that this Nation needs. She is just more of the old problems.

[susankh4]

87. It's a good thing

and it's the only way we will win.

[weeve]

24. yes yes yes ... let it go !

"Dream Ticket" ... "Comeback Kid" ... whatever. I hate these stupid labels.

But I loved my post in that other thread so much, I think I'll repost it HERE !!

-----

Hillary has already aliented the left ... the right ( and many Independents ) hate her and will turn out. Just wrong. Luckily, her pimping (yes, I said it) John McCain's "life experience" while dissing Obama and his "one speech" pretty much shot herself in the foot, concerning the VP slot. The media and "Dems" pushing this ticket are not much different than yesterday's "Dems for a Day" call by Rush to vote Clinton in Texas. NO THANKS!

Give me Feingold, Boxer, or Edwards for VP and I'll work my ass off to elect that ticket.

[Kare]

54. I like those VP choices too

[City Lights]

62. Hillary - "The Alienator."

Sad but true.

[CitizenLeft]

75. I would love any of those...

...though I hesitate about Boxer. She's "vulnerable" because she may not seem "tough" enough - if you'll remember, she cried during her press conference in Jan 2005 when she and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones contested the '04 election. I cringed at the time only because at that moment, I thought how wonderful she'd be on a ticket. Otherwise, I cried with her, LOL. It's one of those sexist no-no things that might come back to haunt her - misogynists would leap all over that. I love her, too, I think she's great.

My choice would be Edwards.

[NavyDavy]

25. all i see here are a bunch of devisive fools! instead of something

that could make the Dem tkt unstoppable you, just whine about this or that....

[hfojvt]

26. I have always said that a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton is a stupid idea

Let's see, we are not sure if the country is ready for a woman President, and we are not sure if the country is ready for a black President, so let's put a woman and a black on the same ticket and see if we can even carry one state besides DC.

Brilliant!

[Fran Kubelik]

35. Right. So we get the woman vote, the hispanic vote, the black vote.

Oh shit. We don't get the sexist/racist white man vote. :P
Times are changing, hfojvt. I think we have a chance to see history made here.

[walldude]

41. OK I have had about enough of that shit

White man here. Neither sexist or racist. I threw my hat in with Obama yesterday after I heard Hillary throw the whole fucking party under the bus with her stupid little comment. You know, the one that McCain will be using during his campaign to prove that even the Democrats would rather have him then Obama. I was advocating a joint ticket for the last 6 months but after that little incident I'd rather see Edwards or Kucinich as VP.

[Fran Kubelik]

49. I didn't say that all white men are racists or sexist.

Not by a long shot.
I just said that hfojvt was underestimating the appeal of the ticket.

[walldude]

52. Ah but when you made your list you listed the

woman vote, the hispanic vote, and the black vote. White men were delegated as racist/sexist. Non-racist/sexist white men were nowhere to be seen. Sorry just a perspective from a decent white guy. No offense intended. :toast:

[Fran Kubelik]

58. Ah - sorry. You're right - it could be interpreted that way.

Totally didn't mean it that way. I just meant that Hillary gets a strong showing from women and the Hispanic base, and Obama can guarantee the black and young vote. Everyone else is up for grabs. ;) The only people we know for SURE wouldn't vote for this ticket would be the racist and/or sexist crowd.

[PurityOfEssence]

27. Her story's holding; his is crap

To refresh: her story is that she's tougher, more competitive and resilient. This certainly seems to sustain the hype, doesn't it?

Also to remind: his story is that he's hopeful, positive and above the ugliness of standard politics. Gaaak, hrek, chuff, chuff...ptui. Sorry; just couldn't swallow that.

So who's the more electable? Beats me. After the McClurkin affair, I'd say she's easily more ethical and moral, but considering her stunts (or lack of them) over the years, that's truly being damned by faint praise.

He wins in red states where we won't win. Big deal. She wins in blue states that'll just as easily vote for him. Same deal. He overwhelmingly wins blacks that we already win anyway. No deal. She's got huge unfavorables, but will pull in plenty of women we wouldn't ordinarily get, which may more than offset this or not. Some kinda deal.

Any claim he has to the moral high ground is EXTREME self-aggrandizing fantasy, and his acolytes need to hear this from the heathens.

[BornBlue]

43. Don't forget

in these RED states he is winning, he is getting more votes BY HIMSELF on the democratic side than the republicans are getting combined. This will change in the GE but with all the new youth support I would not be surprised to see some red states turn blue. The big democtratic states(Cali, New York, ect) will go to the democrats no matter what in the fall, its those little red states he is winning that will make the difference.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. FINE! Then she can take Wes Clark as her VP! No skin off Hillary's nose.

Actually, not having Mr. Hope on the ticket would THRILL ME.

[Eurobabe]

34. Fuck that noise, like yesterday. n/t

[NDambi]

48. lmao

[akbacchus_BC]

78. Why you say that? I have always admired you even though think ...

am a newbie, LOL

[NMMatt]

36. Quite frankly if Obama were to join a Clinton ticket he would be selling out everything

He has stood for. I would not vote for that ticket.

[akbacchus_BC]

79. No, he cannot be on her ticket, unless he is an angel .....

remember his attitude "Shame on you Barack Obama" and then her speech where she totally abused Senator Obama's supporters about the sky will open up, etc. I had a lot of respect for her but after these two episodes and much more, she is downright nasty. She just wants to get back in the white house, come what may!

[amborin]

39. it's the POPULAR VOTE COUNT that matters, if this is a democracy

we'll see what that is by the convention

[TeamJordan23]

72. How does the popular vote work for caucus states? nm

[eilen]

44. Can you imagine what kind of job Vice President

would be in a White House with Hillary and Bill Clinton? I wonder if Al Gore could weigh in. I thought he was the invisible man for almost 8 years.

[NDambi]

46. I don't want Hillary on any ticket not even for local dog catcher,..

[akbacchus_BC]

81. Given her humanitarian spirit when it came to voting for the invasion ...

and occupation of Iraq, and sure she is happy about that. Humans are expendable for her, please animals not in the equation, they too are mega expendable! What was that woman thinking when she sanctioned that vote for Bush to invade Iraq?

[depakid]

53. I agree -that would be the worst of both worlds

Many of the very people who might vote Obama would balk at Hillary -and the reverse is also true. People who would never vote for Obama might vote for Hillary.

All that would do is combine the very real weaknesses of both candidates.

A far better option (if we're interested in winning in November) would be none of the above.

[krkaufman]

55. Well, I will say this...

I don't see her as the nominee without Obama as the VP on the ticket.

[susankh4]

88. I totally agree....

and, you know, it occured to me yesterday that... while she is pointing out Obama's lack of experience right now, she is also positioning herself in a sort of "but don't worry, I'll answer the phone" role. We don't have to like her "red phone" but it did draw the white male vote back to her. Those are simply the facts. Like she was reassuring them.....

I think she (and Obama) already know it's a done deal. The only struggle is for who is top and who is bottom.

I'll be happy either way.

[krkaufman]

94. Possibly. I sure would be surprised if Hillary ends-up on an Obama ticket, though.

(going with the assumption that Hillary's negatives in the general election is one of the factors in going with Obama as POTUS)

Gotta run. I'm off to have myself put into a chemically-induced coma for a few months. :)

[Catherina]

56. Agreed. I'm supporting Obama to break the hold of Clinton's DLC

There's nothing to share. If Obama goes anywhere near that poison, he'll lose the support he's getting from Independents and new voters.

[joe_sixpack]

65. How can this be a dream ticket...

when these two weren't even the two best out of all the candidates that started the race? Do we consider the two of them a dream ticket simply because neither of them can inspire enough confidence or passion to clearly put this thing away on their own?

[meow mix]

67. i hate to be the voice of reason... but the reality of our situation is that shes taken half

half the party chose her as thier candidate.
if we cant deal with that, and include them... we deserve to lose.

the same would be true if the tables were reversed.

[CatnHat]

68. Hillary would be nuts

even to think Obama for VP. Who needs him or his minions. It works both ways--Clinton supporters would not support Obama either. So the party is at a stale mate. Thanks Obama for dividing our party. An upstart with no experience; not vetted and waltzes on the scene and expects adoration and trust from the public. Didn't anyone tell Obama trust is earned, not just blindly given; of course, the exception is his fans, who are either to dumb or obsessed they can't see the forest for the trees.:crazy:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

73. Your little freeper rants are quite amusing.

:bounce:

[akbacchus_BC]

82. And why would Senator Obama want to be on a loser ticket ...

Gosh, this is more pathetic than I thought. Senator Clinton is losing and I wish and pray Senator Obama will not take the bait!

[Hoof Hearted]

70. Thank goodness most of his supporters are more mature.

and hers.

[BooScout]

71. So much for uniting, lol

True colors are coming out in the Obama camp........at least in his supporters here.

[CitizenLeft]

74. what if she stopped the negative crap right now, stone cold?

Since she can't mathematically win the nom with pledged delegates, if she continued on in the race without the "kitchen sink" - dropped it into the gutter where it belongs, and simply argued her positions on the issues from here on out, come what may - it MIGHT smooth the way to some kind of acceptance of her being on the ticket later. But if she continues this barrage of ugly attacks and innuendoes and distortions ad nauseum, forget it. Won't happen.

Because NOW, she's forcing Obama to "bloody" her. Duh. Brilliant.

Too bad, too, because while I was on the fence, I would've dearly loved to have seen them run together. Now I have my serious doubts.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

77. That would be great. The populace needs to become

more informed on policy issues/differences between the Pugs and the Dems. A negative shift for Obama would also be incongruous to the overall theme of his campaign. Do you have any pull with Hillary? Can she stop the negative crap now? :hi:

[CitizenLeft]

83. me?

Heck, I wish I did - I'm just a Dem from Ohio who desperately doesn't want to see the party go down in flames. The problem is, we also need to make sure we get a supermajority in BOTH houses, if at all possible, and if all these new voters and young people are discouraged and stay home, that will not happen. That should be our biggest fear... because the worst case scenario is a narrow McCain win, with losses in the House and Senate. DISASTER.

I shudder.

[New Dawn]

80. If Hillary Clinton is on the ticket, then we lose

The GOP would very easily mobilize its base to vote against a Clinton. We can not afford to lose this election just to appease Clinton's ego.

[BringBigDogBack]

85. No doubt.

[BringBigDogBack]

84. K&R.

No fucking thank you. All or nothing.

No dream ticket, either way.

[zulchzulu]

90. Having a Clinton on the ticket is a dream ticket....for the Republicans

Keep them away from my democracy, please. They had their chance.

Punjab's calling!

[napi21]

91. Neither candidate can win it outright anymore! HOWEVER, I don't think it's

a "Dream Ticket" either! Pill Press said something this morning that I've been saying all along: "It's going to be a challenge to get the majority of the American voters to vote for the first Black President. It's going to be a challenge to get the majority of American voters to vote for the first woman candidate. It's TOO MUCH to ask them to do both at once!"

The FIRST comment I heard from a fellow Dem OVER A YEAR AGO was "Ya know, the Dems had a lock on winning back the WH in 08, and they totally screwed it up! They put up a woman and some black guy!" Barack has managed to overcome SOME of that, but believe me, those feelings are still very much out there!

[opihimoimoi]

93. In my mind......... NO UNITY = NO VICTORY...with that said...it is clear there will be no unity....

McCain will have way better odds because we cannot reconcile....most likely he will win and we will LOSE...fuck it all....I am disgusted.

[harun]

95. So am I, they need to stop this before we lose all our energy

and motivation in this process.

[Raejeanowl]

96. And What Would You Do If He Decided Against You?

Where would that leave you?

[workinclasszero]

98. If President Obama could stomach Hillary as his VP

I would go along with it. It would suck but I would support the ticket.

If Hillary and her bots think that she is going to be on top of the so-called dream tictket...:eyes:

All I can say to that is BS!

The person with the most delegates gets the top spot and that is Obama. Period.