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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:27 PM
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AP: Obama regains ground in Texas caucuses
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama regained lost ground in the fierce competition for Democratic convention delegates on Wednesday based on results from the Texas caucuses, partially negating the impact of Hillary Rodham Clinton's string of comeback primary victories.

Late returns showed Clinton emerged from Rhode Island, Vermont, Texas and Ohio with a gain of 12 delegates on her rival for the night, with another dozen yet to be awarded in The Associated Press' count.

That left Obama with an overall lead of 101 delegates, 1,562-1,461 as the rivals look ahead to the final dozen contests on the calendar. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination.

Clinton has the support of 241 superdelegates, and Obama 202. But more than 350 remain uncommitted, a large enough bloc to swing the nomination should they band together.

There were 370 Democratic delegates at stake in Tuesday's contests, and nearly complete returns showed Clinton outpaced Obama in Ohio, 74-65, in Rhode Island, 13-8, and in the Texas primary, 65-61.

Obama won in Vermont, 9-6, and was ahead in the Texas caucuses, 30-27. Ten of the dozen that remained to be awarded were in Texas; the other two in Ohio.

"We still have an insurmountable lead," Obama said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp;_ylt=ArBCy6iGq.wTuDHTCX6slWJWr7sF

So, I guess Clinton won 2.5 out of four. And she STILL doesn't have the math to win. Which is why she is floating the "dream ticket," which apparently will only exist in her dreams back in the Senate.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:30 PM
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1. but Obama is DONE!!! Just ask the cultists here,
they'll tell you all day long how the math doesn't matter-they seem to exist in a world where facts and mathematics for that matter do not seem to apply
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:20 PM
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13. Calling Obama supporters cultists sucks. Calling Hillary supporters cultists sucks.
Calling any supporter a cultist sucks.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:31 PM
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16. yea well
they can call us whatever they want so fuck them anyway
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:32 PM
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2. Obama only needs 46% of remaining delegates to get the nomination
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM
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4. Cultist! You Are Not Supposed to Know Math!
Listen, zombie-mindbot, all of the Obama supporters are nothing more than this year's Branch Davidians. Don't try to fool us with your "logic" and "facts." The only facts I need to know are right here...in my gut. And my gut tells me that Hillary Clinton is the front runner after winning 2.5 out of the last 15 or 16 contests.
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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:58 PM
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7. I didn't know Stephen Colbert posted here n/t
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:27 PM
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15. Awesome!
> Listen, zombie-mindbot, all of the Obama supporters...

Funniest thing I've read all day. :)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:40 PM
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17. sigh
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:44 PM
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18. I Think Dr Funk Is Being Sarcastic
He's on our side Grant
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:47 PM
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19. I know that its just that his sarcastic view is actually held by so many that it requires a
sigh
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:59 PM
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8. Are you counting superdelegates or just regular ones?
Because this race is going to come down to the convention, and which way the superdelegates go.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:33 PM
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3. Yes as a lame duck back in the Senate!
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:33 PM by Zachstar
Clinton allowed and encouraged the sickest crap to be used on Obama and expects us to keep her past a secret? LOL!!!

No dream ticket
No more Bush
No more McCain
No more Clinton!

It is great to see her net delegate gain from yesterday start to drop. That will take the wind out of their sails as they watch Clinton's past get exposed and the downfall of the political future of the Clintons. Then they can watch as Obama moves on to politically destroying McCain because sadly that is what America wants!

The gloves are off and you didn't even gain all that much ground Clinton.

Keep it up everyone! Every day needs to be a day of Clinton loss and past exposure. Of what she really is.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:49 PM
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5. That's what happens when you LIE Hillary!
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:52 PM by TwoSparkles
Beginning with the confetti raining down and the bestest victory party EVER, Hillary
Clinton claimed her enormous, overwhelming, earth-shattering wins last night.

I'm sorry. Tell me again, how completely IDIOTIC one political campaign can be?
They declare victory in one state--before the total vote has been factored.

Every day, we see a new trick used by the Clinton camp. This time, it's declaring
overwhelming victories before the vote is counted--and yacking up those wins on the
talk shows---just hoping that America won't notice that her delegate gain is a whopping 10!

Hello...Hillary Clinton thinks we're all idiots!

The media gave her the "win"--celebrating with her All DAY, like happy party guests.

Now, as the Texas caucus returns come in and it's clear that Obama WON that state, the
media will have to fully acknowledge that NOT ONLY did Clinton not win Texas; and NOT ONLY did she
gain NOTHING as far as gains in delegates---she also claimed a puffed-up, empty, spin win that
has blown away like a Texas tumbleweed in a tornado.

Serves. Her. Right. If you're going to act like a desperate jerk, Hillary--and declare
victory in a state that didn't even finish counting the votes---just so you can have a day or
two to repeatedly say, "Look at me! I'm a winner! Maybe Barack will be my running mate when
I win! Cuz I'm a winner!"--then you deserve the lambasting that's coming your way.

The Hillary campaign is the biggest political joke of our lifetime. Books will be written. Lifetime
Movies will be made...and Sally Struthers will come out of retirement to play Hillary.

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:09 PM
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10. Exactly what fuckhead did
against Gore..claiming victory 'cause they needed to get in and fuck up the country.

Hi Two Sparkles, :hug: As NCNurse said, she's sorry that hilary will "still be around with all her manipulative, negative shit".

It was too good to be true that hilary got knocked out last night so the ugliness from hilaryland continues and the m$$$m eats it up.

We're still gonna win.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:58 PM
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6. Right now, NEITHER Obama or Hillary can win.
Obama is NOT ahead of Hillary in any significant way. His lead in delegates is useless unless he can garner ENOUGH delegates to put him over the top.

If Hillary has enough delegates to prevent Obama from winning the nomination outright, then Obama is no longer ahead -- he is effectively in a tie with Hillary.

And that's the only way to look at the contest now -- it is a tie. Unless one candidate or the other can win (approx) 60% of the delegates left, then NOBODY wins the nomination outright.

Then it's into the smoke-filled rooms, where they say Obama, a smoker, has the advantage.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:52 PM
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21. His pledged delegate lead exists. Super delegates have FLED Clinton & more announced f/Obama today
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 03:53 PM by cryingshame
There is no fucking tie.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:02 PM
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9. I wonder when they are going to finish countin the TX Caucus
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:14 PM
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11. Yeah, it seems to take ages...
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:01 PM
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24. June
Really.

All we picked last night are folks to go to senate district convention later this month. If delegates chosen last night don't show, they are lost. At district convention, we'll pick delegates for state convention occurring in June. At state, they'll caucus and do the final divvy-up boogie. Things can change -- it all depends on the dedication of the delegates.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:09 PM
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25. I understand that, but I'm wondering when the rest of the counted results will come in.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:18 PM
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12. Jim Baker and Ted Olson must be smiling
back in 2000 they got the Supreme Court to agree that popular votes do not count.

And now, the Obama campaign is following the same approach.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:56 PM
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22. Wow. you must be really new to the politics thing. I suggest you
educate yourself- if it's possible.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:57 PM
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23. Carville sabotaged Ohio Dem voters in 2004 and delegate rules were written before
some younger Obama supporters were even born.

Did you hope no one would notice the disingenuousness of your post?
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:24 PM
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14. Wow, check out this...
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:50 PM
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20. WOW
Its went from a 4 point difference to a 12 point difference in favor of Obama. With any luck the caucus results will be counted by the convention. What the hell is taking them so long?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:34 PM
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26. The CNN approach is straight line and incorrect
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 04:34 PM by thevoiceofreason
What you have to do is look at the % margin of caucus victory in each senate district (comparative number of delegates in each district) and multiply that by the number of state delegates to be awarded by that senate district. That gives you a truer number and track of where things stand. For the raw (and unofficial) data, go to:

www.precinctconventionresults.txdemocrats.org/election08district#c_14

By my calculations, at 3:00 p.m., there were about 40% of the caucuses reporting and Obama leads by 54.83%, or 48,293 eventual state senate delegates, to right at 45% for Hillary, or about 39,500 eventual state senate delegates. Importantly, there has been no reporting from many of the huge Obama caucus boxes in metro Houston.

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