Even Clinton is competent enough to realize what a huge win yesterday was for Obama

[leftofthedial]

he overcame 30% and 20% Clinton leads in less than two weeks and ended up with a de facto tie.

Clinton is enjoying the free cheers of the corporate media--they want a horse race, but behind the scenes, she must be worried.

[jlake]

1. It was not a win for Obama. Spin it any way you like....Hilly has the momentum now....

[anonymous171]

3. And the media attention.

She's going down.

[jlake]

6. Yep. Down in history as the comeback lady who stormed to victory despite

the MSM and Dem establishment working against her.
Hill Yes! Yes she can! Yes we will!

[k8conant]

14. That's crap and you know it...

The Dem establishment is the only reason she's still around at all. The media hasn't hurt her any either.

[jlake]

17. lol. MSNBC demanding that she drop out last night after her victories.

The media is out to get her and you know it!

[damonm]

45. Your fantasy world continues....

Name me ONE candidate not named Hillary Clinton who would still be considered a contender after losing 11 straight primaries, and I may think about considering the possibility of one day believing you to not be a raving loon...

[jlake]

46. Al Gore, Barack Obama or anyone else who was within 2% of the popular vote.

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. "the Dem establishment working against her"

Like the former DNC chair, McAuliffe? Like her husband? Like her 247 pledged superdelegates?

She IS the Dem establishment, and the DLC has been the controlling faction of the party for 15 years.

And they are all going down.

[jlake]

21. lol to the max!

[oasis]

40. Don't forget. Obama outspent her 2 to 1 but her message prvilaed. (eom)

[Bongo Prophet]

50. Yes SHE can! All about HER. ... Yes she WILL! Triumph of the WILL!

The road to hill is paved with mockery and derision.

[jlake]

51. It's all about getting HER elected so that she can serve the working folk of this country.

Obama's PR sloganeering is vague and disingenuous.
The working folk know a good seed when they see one.

[Cha]

65. And as a DUer says..

There's just no hypocrisy like Hillary Hypocrisy".

[Sulawesi]

9. she has lost...unless the supers overturn the pledged delegate count, she cannot win.

After last night, there are fewer delegates up for grabs, and very little change in his lead. She is toast.

[jlake]

10. Yes she can. MI & FL will be in play one way or another... and PA is going to

net Hil 40 delegats..... Obama's shaken appearance tells me everything I need to know.
Hill Yes!

[JackORoses]

27. MI and FL are a Pipe Dream. You'd best find another angle.

Please demonstrate how she will net 40 in PA.
I'd like to see you attempt mathematics.

[aquart]

33. Ah. The vote of the people means nothing to Obama. So true.

[JackORoses]

38. The People of MI and FL are free to hold valid contests

But the flawed results which Hillary is trying to have seated will not stand.

The contests were totally invalid because the people knew they didn't count.
This affected the turnout and the results.

If Hillary really cared about the voters, she would be suggesting revotes rather than attempting to have flawed delegations seated just because they are good for her.

[JimGinPA]

35. "Net Hil 40 Delegates"? Do Yo Have Any Functioning Brain Cells?

Her lead in PA is down to 6 points with 7 weeks until the primary. 'Splain how she nets 40 delegates Lucy.

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[RiverStone]

22. The only way she can win is if a bunch of Super Delegates...

...do NOT follow the will of the electorate. Even if you want to call last night's wins momentum (she has now won 3 of the past 15 states) - if SD's decided the election you would see droves of dems leave the party in disgust.

Hillary would be toast before she even left Denver.

She has my vote if she wins the delegates based on popular vote totals - anything else would be a disaster for the party.

Right now, Obama has the math to win - math is math and that is based on people's votes.

[jlake]

24. FL & MI will be seated. The supers will be the deciding factor for EITHER candidate

so I am not sure why you attack Hillary for seeking their votes.

[RiverStone]

28. Yep - Hillary is going after FLA and MI...

Like a shark who smells blood.

And jlake, neither you or I have not a clue yet how the FLA/MI question will be resolved. But it is a HUGE question.

I vote - DO OVER in June! The only fair resolution.

[DUyellow]

23. what gives her the momentum?

[jlake]

25. Big Wins & Polling nationally 4 points above Obama.

[DUyellow]

42. define big wins

[jlake]

43. Don't be daft - you saw how she cleaned his clock yesterday.

[DUyellow]

52. so is it the size of the state? the amount of votes, delegates? you said...

she has momentum because she won big... define big?

[jlake]

53. She won a BIG state (OH) By 10%.

She is going to win PA with 65%+ of the vote.
This is all but locked up for Hillary!

[DUyellow]

54. So it is a win by wide margins?

of popular vote?

[AZBlue]

48. Obama gained 183 delegates, Clinton gained 187 delegates.

Ooooh, 4 whole delegates? Wow...big win!!
:sarcasm:

[DUyellow]

56. you will see a momentum shift by this time next week... and it will be more than 4 delegates...

[calimary]

64. Might also have been the three-states-to-one effect.

And two of 'em were big states - Ohio and Texas. I'm guessing that's why this is considered a big win.

But anymore, there's no such thing as a straight-ahead win. Nothing's that simple anymore. :eyes:

[galadrium]

60. She'll probably end up netting about 10 more delegates than Obama

Sounds like a Bush style blowout.

[Sulawesi]

2. She will try to seat FL and MI, and ask the supers to annoint her...

[aquarius dawning]

4. Only an Obama supporter could call three defeats a huge win. Must be something in the kool aid.

[JackORoses]

29. Hillary needed victories with 65% of the vote. She failed to achieve this.

You must know the difference between a battle and a war.
Hillary lost the War.

[aquarius dawning]

39. You assume too many things. keep doing that.

[JackORoses]

44. I'm not assuming anything. I'm looking at the hard delegate counts.

In order for you and the other Hillarites to believe she still has a shot,
you must assume that
a) MI and FL are seated
b) Hillary will be able to strongarm Superdelegates to her side
c) Hillary will be able to poach pledged delegates from Obama
d) Hillary wins PA 70-30

These are very far-fetched assumptions. Yet they keep the Hillarite Dream alive.

[TayTay]

37. What were the 12 losses she suffered after SuperTuesday?

Perhaps that kool-aid, as you put it, was first assembled in the Clinton kitchen.

[underpants]

5. +12 yesterday for Hillary

Late-breaking numbers out of Texas’ odd two-phase voting system put an asterisk on Hillary Clinton’s Tuesday night victory speech, showing gains made by Barack Obama in the delegate grab race had all but numerically canceled out her big win in Ohio.

Although Clinton got a major boost in morale by winning more raw votes than Obama in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island (she lost to Obama in Vermont), an Associated Press count of the delegates shows Clinton only reduced her opponent’s lead in delegates by 12.



http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/05/democratic-nomination-battle-now-focuses-on-wyoming/

[LeftCoast]

7. If losing 3 of 4 elections is a huge win, then Clintons 11 straight must've been a Grand Slam

:eyes:

[leftynyc]

26. Now that's funny (n/t)

[aquart]

34. LOL! Nonsense.

If Obama wins, he WINS.

And if Obama loses, he WINS.

You just aren't thinking right.

[Independent-Voter]

49. Actually, they split yesterday. Don't let the facts spoil your dinner though.

[JuniperLea]

8. LOL!!!

:rofl:

:rofl:


:rofl:


:rofl:



Unfreakingbelievable...

[printpolitico]

11. I smell fear

Yeah he was on a roll, but he topped the hill and the down slop might be longer. Sorry

[russian33]

12. he outspent her 4-1, and lost by double digits in both RI and Ohio

and also lost Texas...how is that a win for him?

[tabatha]

18. Because he was 20% behind at one time. duh

[galadrium]

61. And a little help from Rush Limbaugh, telling everyone to vote for her

[amborin]

13. Bush double speak at work, or total delusional Obama supporters

either is bad

losing Ohio and Texas were huge setbacks, those are CRUCIAL must win primary states

[Sulawesi]

15. Not a win, but you HRC people should recognize that in order to win...

...she needs to win a higher fraction of the remaining delegates than she needed on March 3.

[Scurrilous]

16. K & R

:thumbsup:

[greyghost]

20. He'll make a great Vice President. That is all.

[oasis]

41. Michelle's open resentment of Hillary kills any chances for an Obama VP spot.

He'd do well to wait until her eight years are done. Barack would then have everyhting laid out nicely for him to take over.

[greyghost]

58. Remember, politics make for strange bedfellows. n/m

[cottonseed]

30. He'll win state by state. In hand to hand combat.

The most frustrating thing for me is the fact that Hillary is treating this thing as a general election. She's tearing him down publicly, sewing seeds of doubt, playing dirty, and working in concert with McCain and even Bush on some days to destroy him as a candidate. All on a NATIONAL stage.

It's not that Obama has a "glass jaw", it's that the guy is running a pretty respectable primary campaign, realizing that one of the two candidates will have to run against the Republicans. Hence, the reason for not destroying Hillary on a national stage -- now that's party loyalty.

So, I hope that he can work with his superior organization and wrap this up state by state. When he holds on (and actually increases his lead), the national smearing that Hillary is giving him may actually have some value. In order to go this route, he will need make sure he's trying to at least steer the framing his way.

[Eurobabe]

31. The MSM is laughing all the way to the bank. n/t

[aquart]

32. LOL!!!!!! But it was supposed to be Clinton's funeral. And wasn't.

Perception is all.

[Levgreee]

47. It was her funeral. This was her chance to catch up. She didn't do it at all. Her odds are dead.

[greyghost]

59. Dream on.

[Divine Discontent]

62. in much the way Edwards shocked us

Clinton SHOULD be shocking her supporters in a few days...

She was ahead by 15-20 points in Texas and Ohio and he wittled that lead down over the past 2-3 weeks, how that's a victory for Clinton, I'm not sure WHERE?

She's gained a delegate or two at the most!

Time to pack it up Hill... but thanks for giving the GOPers and McPain ammo of your video decrying Obama as being just a "speech".

[greyghost]

63. Hillary isn't going anywhere except a brokered convention that

she is going to win. Obama is going to take the VP slot and all will be hunky dory in dem land. It's already been decided.

Think I'm wrong? Fine.

Just remember you heard it here first.:evilgrin:

[Divine Discontent]

66. I will remember..... eom

[barack the house]

36. We just keep working and be patient Barack is right on target. All we got to do is be cool.

[greyghost]

57. As if any of you know how. LOL

He's not winning the big states. Time to face reality.