Sports analogy: Hillary had a very good 3rd qrtr but Obama still has the lead going into the 4th

[wndycty]

I hope this puts things in perspective. As long as Obama plays a ball control game he can run out the clock. I would really like to see him go deep and win PA, however that is not necessary.

[MercutioATC]

1. "Very good 3rd quarter"? She was over 100 down and scored 12 points.

If we're invoking perspective here, I don't think that qualifies as "very good".

[wndycty]

4. LOL, but it was an impressive drive...

. . .she still has a lot ground to make up, but I'm going to give her her due. I was impressed by her margin of victory in Ohio and Rhode Island.

[MercutioATC]

8. I'll admit, Ohio surprised me.

I expected her to win by 6 or 7.

[DrFunkenstein]

30. Two Delegate Points Does Not a Very Impressive Quarter Make

It was nice to see her get a victory night party, but eventually we all have to wake up in the morning.

[hueyshort]

77. You've been Claiming he "Won" for weeks

so why do you have to keep Smearing her?

[thereismore]

9. That IS very good by her standards from Oz. nt

[Radical Activist]

83. She lost 13 out of the last 15 states.

Yeah, not too good.

[Orsino]

85. They're both performing remarkably well.

Obama's (apparently) decisive lead doesn't diminish Clinton's accomplishment. Most second-placers drop out much earlier, being farther behind.

[LulaMay]

2. Momentum and strategy mean everything in sports.

[LostinVA]

3. Did you see the Superbowl this year?

The Team from New York may surprise you again.

[Horse with no Name]

5. Here is another sports analogy for you

You can have an undefeated season, but if you can't close the deal on the Superbowl...it don't mean squat. To the victor goes the spoils.

[Dawgs]

16. Maybe, but would the Patriots have lost if they started the game with a four touchdown lead?

:shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

18. It doesn't matter

We are in the playoffs right now...when we get to the Superbowl...the score resets and we start all over.

[Dawgs]

21. When does the score reset between Hillary and Obama?

I'm not following.

[Horse with no Name]

24. When it gets to a brokered convention

and the party sits down and looks at the hard truths and the hard facts about what states were won and lost.

[Political Heretic]

50. Those hard facts would include:

Comparing:

The candidate who won the most pledged delegates
The candidate who won the popular vote
The candidate who won the most states
The candidate who has the most money

Vs.

:shrug:
The candidate who has "experience" failing to win the most pledged delegates
The candidate who has "experience" failing to win the popular vote
The candidate who has "experience" failing to win the most states
The candidate who has "experience" failing to raise the most money
The candidate who has "experience" blowing a massive double digit lead in nearly every field of contest
The candidate who has "experience" failing the party by trashing it whenever it suits her for political expedience

Ready to fail from day one.

[stop the bleeding]

68. God those are some hard facts nt

[Dawgs]

20. Deleted

[taterguy]

6. Do you remember when Dean Smith tried to control the ball in the 1977 NCAA championship game?

How did that work out for him?

[wndycty]

7. That is why I would like to see Obama go long. . .

. . .:kick:

[Dawgs]

17. Did he have a 40 point lead?

:shrug:

[taterguy]

22. When has a team ever been ahead by 40 points in an NCAA Championship game?

OK, maybe UNLV when they played Duke in 1990 but I'd have to look that up.

[GumboYaYa]

10. Hillary is the Ohio State of politics..All the pundits talk her up b/c she can

win some easy states that she should win. In the end she will get blown out on points in the big game. It is only appropriate that she win Ohio. They understand second place in that state.

GEAUX TIGERS!!!!

[wndycty]

11. Spoken like a true SEC fan

:kick:

[GumboYaYa]

12. It ain't braggin if you really can do it.

[wndycty]

13. LOL

:kick:

[MADem]

14. But this is like a game of volleyball. You've got to reach a set number of points to "win."

If your team is ahead ten to nine, that doesn't make you the game winner. It makes you a team playing in the contest, nothing more.

In this sports contest, the way to win is to reach that 2025 (or 2024, practically speaking) number. Without reaching that number, you're just playing volleyball.

[wndycty]

15. No one is calling the game. . .

. . .just giving an update and perspective.

[Dawgs]

19. It's more like 19 to 10.

[MADem]

26. It all depends on who the ref is, if you want to play it that way.

And precisely what you're scoring--is it delegates, is it total states, is it primary states, caucus states, big states, red states, blue states? Total votes cast? Weighted percentages with populations factored in?

Where you stand depends entirely on where you sit on that score...

The bottom line is, the candidates have to reach a Magic Number to win. Anything else is just posturing and trash-talking to boost their own side.

If one candidate leaves, the other one can scoop up the 'remains' and march on to victory with the requisite Magic Number--but that isn't terribly likely. And because of that, being "ahead" means nothing in this game. You either make it all the way, or you submit yourself to "what happens next."

It's not a question of who is ahead in the "delegate count." The "delegate count" only counts when you hit that magic number.
Otherwise, it's "New Rules" at the convention--and who knows what will be hammered out in that smoke-free room?

No one's anointed, no one's "entitled"--you either earn it by hitting that Magic Number, or all bets are off and it's on to Plan B, whatsoever that may be.

Nearsies don't count in this game--it isn't handgrenades or horse shoes.

[Milo_Bloom]

23. It's actually worse than that.

Think of it like basketball standings.

Clinton is the LA Clippers
Obama is the Boston Celtics

If the CLippers won every game for the rest of the season AND the Celtics lost every game... The Celtics would still make the playoffs... the Clippers would not.

[taterguy]

31. The Clippers have only lost 40 games

NBA Teams frequently make the playoffs with a record of 42-40.

When is the bullshit and misinformation on this board going to stop?

I think making a flagrant factual error in a post should be grounds for Tombstoning.

[Milo_Bloom]

32. There aren't enough games in the season for the Clippers to make the playoffs

And there aren't enough games in the season for the Celtics to lose.


She's done.

[taterguy]

33. The Golden State Warriors could go on a losing streak and they'd be in like Flynn

There are 82 games in an NBA Season. The Clippers have lost 40 games so if they won out they'd finish with a record of 42-40.

The Warriors have not won 42 games yet and if they imitated last year's New York Mets the Clippers would get the last spot in the Western Conference playoffs.

I concede that while it's mathematically possible for the Celtics to not qualify for the play-offs it's highly unlikely since 8 teams in the Eastern Conference would have to start winning a bunch of games and the Eastern Conference has been rather weak this season.

Please apologize for your willful ignorance.

Thank you.

[Milo_Bloom]

35. Not possible.

[taterguy]

36. That doesn't sound like an apology to me

Let's review:

You posted some bullshit.

I posted facts that refuted your bullshit.

In response you posted more bullshit.

Why, for the love of God, do you insist on perpetuating more lies and distortions?

Isn't there enough of that already in the world?

Just give me some truth damnit.

[Milo_Bloom]

38. The truth is it is not possible.

[taterguy]

39. Please explain why it isn't possible oh wise one

You know damn good and well that any NBA team is two sprained ankles away from a 15 game losing streak.

[Milo_Bloom]

40. Because they can't win enough games to make up the difference.

[taterguy]

41. Did you flunk math, logic and reading comprehension classes?

Willfully stupid is no way to go through life son.

[Milo_Bloom]

42. Nope. Its just not possible.

[taterguy]

43. How is it not possible for Golden State to win less than 42 games this year?

Unlikely yes but definitely possible.

[Milo_Bloom]

44. They still wouldn't make the playoffs.

Thus, it is not possible.

[taterguy]

46. They would have the 8th best record in the Western Conference

So actually they would make the playoffs

[Milo_Bloom]

54. Nope.

You aren't good a math, are you?

CLinton fan?

[taterguy]

55. I'm a fan of THE TRUTH!

According to this site, the only NBA team that can't possibly get to the play-offs this year is Memphis.

Please present evidence that supports your position or be honorable and apologize.

http://www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Div.html

[Milo_Bloom]

57. Check who plays each other.

You will figure it out.

[taterguy]

58. Well since we've established that I'm a fucking idiot why don't you just explain it to me?

If you would be so kind

[Milo_Bloom]

59. Nope.

I like people to learn from their mistakes.

[taterguy]

60. The only mistake I made was thinking you had one shred of human decency

[Milo_Bloom]

61. Not for the ill-informed....

You know... Clinton voters.

[taterguy]

62. Decency is universal

[Milo_Bloom]

63. I gave up that concept when the people I trusted voted for war.

[taterguy]

64. Never give up

So sayeth Saint Jimmy Valvano

[Milo_Bloom]

65. The Postal Service disagrees

[taterguy]

66. Who gives a flying fuck about the opinion of the postal service?

[Milo_Bloom]

67. People who matter.

[taterguy]

70. Everybody matters to somebody

Take that elitist crap somewhere else

Somewhere far far away

[Milo_Bloom]

73. Some matter to no one.

When you learn to think before you speak, you may matter to me.

Until then... you don't.

[taterguy]

76. You've spent an awful lot of time responding to someone that doesn't matter to you

Just sayin

[Milo_Bloom]

78. Entertainment matters to me.

[taterguy]

79. Do you have anything of value to contribute?

Or do you think that this site just exists to be your personal amusement park.

[Milo_Bloom]

80. Entertainment is value.

When someone is completely ill-informed and posts nonsense and is unable to complete simple math problems, I play with them until it no longer amuses me.

[taterguy]

87. You are a sad pathetic creature

You're also not very good at math

[Milo_Bloom]

88. Too bad I am right... and you know it.

[taterguy]

89. Merely saying that you're right doesn't make it so

You have to present evidence to bolster your assertions.

But of course you can't do that because, well, you're wrong.

[Milo_Bloom]

92. LMAO.

You still haven't figured it out, have you?

[taterguy]

93. The only thing I've figured out is that you're someone who refuses to admit when you're wrong

Hubris, thy name is you.

[Milo_Bloom]

94. Hmmm... Maybe because I am simply not wrong.

Just use simple math.

[taterguy]

96. Insisting on believing something that's been proven to be false

Typical Obama supporter

[Milo_Bloom]

98. No proof... justy faulty math on your part.

And a basic misunderstaning of scheduling.

[taterguy]

99. justy misunderstaning?

You can't even spell simple words and yet you profess to be an expert on NBA playoffs.

:rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

100. Since math obviously isn't your game...

Let's try a riddle..

How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

[taterguy]

101. I don't know

How do you keep an idiot in suspense?

And what the fuck does that have to do with the subject at hand?

[JVS]

47. You want people banned for making ill-informed comments on the NBA season and playoff structure?

:rofl:

[taterguy]

84. There are bigger principles involved here

You're out of your league so please:

Shut
The
Fuck
Up

[knixphan]

25. Correct if I'm wrong

Barack would need to score 77% of all points from here on to clinch a berth in the finals.

Hillary would have to score 92% of all points to do the same

Neither will clinch. Neither delivers a knockout punch.

No KO. Judges will have to make decision...?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

56. Think of it as a game called by rain after the 5th inning.

Who do the umps award the game to? The team that's ahead or the team that's behind?

:think:

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. If Clinton wins Pennsylvania by double digits

Things will start getting very difficult for Obama. Florida Ohio and Pennsylvania were the KEY swing states in 2004. If Clinton wins all three by double digits the tide turns in her favor, likely the popular vote total and all the national polls also.

[rodeodance]

28. PUFFFF---BO has LOST his MOJO

[joeybee12]

29. Better analogy...the Indy 500 has 500 laps...the person on the 400th

lap is not yet the winner...so let's stop all this get out of the race crap...no one has won.

[TheDeathadder]

34. sorry but to keep the Sports analogy going

this thing is going into over-time sudden-death @ the convention and Clinton is going to come out the winner. It's going to be an awesome game.

[PseudoIntellect]

45. You can't make it into overtime if you're trailing at the end of the 4th quarter.

I understand in the sport of primary-ball, you can. But the analogy fails in terms of what it tends to imply. (a tie in regulation time)

[rodeodance]

53. nah--she had Farve karma--

[Ishoutandscream2]

37. Yeah, well in Australian rules football!

Ah, well, fuck it.

[judaspriestess]

48. not a good analogy

going into the fourth with twelve minutes to play and run out the clock? what sport are you watching?

[Political Heretic]

49. Obama was up 70 to 14 in the 2nd, it became 73 to 21 in the third... on to the 4th.

[Gore1FL]

51. And her three quarterbacks are

Penn, Wolfson, and Ickes.



:rofl:

[rodeodance]

52. She did great at the 2 minute warning in OHIO, TX and RI: 3:1 Clock is running for your team.

[Gore1FL]

69. She move the ball down the field

But didn't score. Then Obama got a safety in WY and has the ball.

[Catherina]

71. She's kind of handicapped

[Telly Savalas]

72. Clinton needs to establish the running game to open up things for the passing game.

[KoKo]

74. Look at what Obama is up against! VIRAL VIDEO....here:

http://current.com/items/88854218_the_democratic_messiah

[gulliver]

75. And in the 10th round, if both are still standing...let the judges decide?

Wait, what sport is this?

[salbi]

81. She scored a few points, but never got ahead, not sure that's a good quarter

[Bullet1987]

82. I like boxing analogies better in this case...

Obama v. Clinton - 12 Round Bout - Title on the Line

Clinton was heavily favored going into the fight. She was the older, more battle-tested boxer and Obama was the surprising newcomer looking for the upset of his career. Obama viewed Clinton as over the hill and a boxer trying to relive her golden age...Clinton viewed Obama as lucky and unfit to wear the title. She had fought through tough opposition her entire career and this moment was supposed to be hers...there was no way some snot-nosed rookie was going to knock her off. Even though he did have a hefty fanbase that wanted to see it happen. In the pre-fight press conference she promised the fight would be over by the 5th round...

Round 1 (Pre-Iowa) - They dance around for the most part, feeling each other out. Neither over-commit, both come off as pretty defensive early on. Obama appears very quick on the counterattack, but Clinton lands some combos in the final 10 seconds to eek out the initial round.

Round 2 (Iowa win) - Obama begins this round with a series of quick jabs, and continues to counter her punches. Obama bobs and weaves, frustrating Clinton...he's a hard fighter to corner which Clinton continuosly attempts to do. Suddenly he lands a powerful hook, causing Clinton to stumble back...but she doesn't fall. She holds her composure as he finishes the round with a couple of quick jabs that she blocks. Obama takes the 2nd round and has momentum going into the next round.

It's now clear that Obama is for real and has come to fight.

Round 3 (New Hampshire and Nevada wins - Hillary Clinton shoes her iron resolve and refuses to go down, as Obama comes out swinging...trying to end it early. She lands a series of powerful blows herself and appears to have him reeling. She still can't corner him though, and Clinton over-commits on a few powerhouse punches and gets called for it by the referee (pre-SC...turning Obama into the "Black candidate). Obama fans begin booing loudly and chanting his name, but Obama is fine and promises payback in the next round...since he lost this one.

Round 4 (South Carolina win) - Obama lands a furious combo at the beginning of this round and backs Clinton into a corner. She holds up her glove to block the continuous jabs Obama is sending at her. The crowd is going wild and Obama chants ring throughout the crowd (Obama wins handily in SC). Obama comes back with a very convincing 4th round win and the commentators (MSM) express amazement that Obama is taking it to the pre-concieved winner. Clinton appears to have had the wrong strategy going in.

Round 5 (Super Tuesday) - Both Clinton and Obama land punches, Clinton fights back once more and shows the reason why she's such a respected fighter. Obama fails to knock her down again (Clinton wins CA, NJ, and Massachusetts). However, Clinton's initial idea of this being over by the 5th round proves to be dead wrong as Obama is clearly proving to be a much tougher opponent than she anticipated. This round is considered a toss up, or tie.

After the 5th round...it's Obama: 2, Clinton: 2, Split: 1

Round 6 through 8 (11 state sweep) - the next three rounds prove to be extremely tough for Clinton. Obama takes them handily and the crowd is growing defeaning. Obama looks like he may wrap it up...though Clinton takes the bone-crunching blows as she loses round after round to the newcomer. Her face is bloodied and she is winded. Obama caught his second wind after the 5th round, though she hasn't had time to catch hers and Obama has been relentless in his pursuit. The commentators repeat that all Obama needs in a good shot and it'll send Clinton to the mat...likely for good.

Round 9 (March 4) - Obama fails once more to finish the job as Clinton gets her second wind and sends Obama rocketing against the ropes. She is throwing everything she can at him, and Obama is now too tired to counterattack as he did early on. The commentators now begin to wonder whether Obama's lack of ability to finish may cause him the fight. Clinton seems hellbent on destroying Obama once and for all. Obama has gained a strong lead in the rounds...and it appears likely that she now needs a knockout as Obama will continue to avoid her punches in later rounds.

Round 10 (Wyoming) - Obama starts this round off solidly and tries to regain his composure after a terrible 9th round. How this round will end (Mississippi?) and what the future holds (Pennsylvania and beyond) remains to be seen. Though, as of right now, Obama has a split decision lead with the judges and it appears as if this will go down to the final second in the 12th round. Barring something dramatic, Obama comes off as the close favorite to win...but needs to fight smart as Clinton is crafty.

[BringBigDogBack]

86. Very good? 4 delegates?

:rofl:

I'd say that's more like a good two minutes, considering the delegate lead, pop vote lead, most states won, most donors, etc...

[chyjo]

90. isn't it more like

Hillary broke even in the third quarter, and is still getting destroyed?

[Apollo11]

91. The superdelegates will get to pick the MVP

OK so Hillary is 10 points behind at the start of the 4th - but only because Bill fumbled the ball a couple of times back in the 1st.

If she can reduce Obama's lead in the remaining contests, then the superdelegates can still choose Hillary as MVP.

[wndycty]

95. Which means she gets a new car, not the trophy. . .

. . .and the MVP never comes from the losing team.

[AgadorSparticus]

97. I think you're being awful generous about the 3rd qrt.

didn't she need BOTH TX and OH...and by a landslide?