Hillary Clinton needs to face reality and drop out NOW

[mudesi]

She only won Ohio by 10 percent. She barely took Texas, and it looks like Obama is going to win the caucus there.

McCain has officially taken the Republican nomination, which means the GOP can now begin campaigning and fundraising and attacking the Democrats.

The mathematics have been explained countless times. Do a search for the dozens of threads if you want that show that it is absolutely over for Hillary Clinton. She cannot with this nomination without having the superdelegates overturn the pledged delegates.

To all Hillary supporters, I'm sorry, but it's time to face the facts. Had she taken both Texas and Ohio by 20 point leads, then a case could have been made that she ought to continue. But she didn't do it. It's time to put the good of the party over the ambitions of Hillary Clinton.

Either you want the next president to be a Democrat or you don't. Dragging this to the convention is equivalent to handing the keys to the White House to John McCain. I'm almost cynical enough to think that's exactly what Ms. Clinton wants so she can run again in 2012, but I truly don't want to believe that. Not yet, anyway. Unless she doesn't give in within the next few days.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Hell no! She won't go!

[JackORoses]

26. You are correct. She will not be going to the White House. Hill No!

[whistle]

2. In your dreams!

[Medusa]

4. It's not about dreaming

it's about nightmares and if she's the nominee, we'll be living under another 4 years of Republican rule.

[billbuckhead]

5. Hillary's opponent can't win without superdelagates either

[Capn Sunshine]

12. At this point, Obama has more of them

he's got more votes
He's got more delegates, and Hillary can't possibly catch up--even w MI and Fla

So WHY won't she drop out?

[aquart]

34. WHY hasn't Obama been called as the candidate, then?

McCain has. Why not Obama? Can't win by fair means, so you're trying psych-out 101. And you know which orifice you can stick it in, right?

[mudesi]

42. Actually, I think you mean math-101

Why can't Clinton supporters add and subtract?

[Sulawesi]

14. are you a slow learner?

of course he needs supers...

the point is that HRC cannot win the pledged delegates...so the only way she wins is if the supers over ride them. Do you advocate this?

[cascadiance]

18. Can't win without the politburo helping him, right?

Oh, OK... She wants to continue the path away from democracy this administration has already started!

[Growler]

3. Kick

[jlake]

6. Win lose or draw you'll want Hilly to drop out.

Guess what? She's in it to win it - and win it she will!

[Beausoir]

7. Give it a rest.

[azmouse]

8. Check out Slate's delegate calculator.

It shows that even if Hillary wins all the remaining primaries she CAN'T win the nomination.
http://www.slate.com/features/delegatecounter/

It's long past the time she dropped out and saved the party.

[Cha]

16. All hilary gets to do is what she does best..

slime her opponent with lies and play the fucking the victim. Fuck hilary and the dead horse she rode in on.

[aquart]

25. Then why hasn't Obama been declared the candidate, sweetie?

McCain has.

[azmouse]

35. No need for snark.

I know you're disappointed that your candidate can't win. I'm disappointed that she's chosen to stay in the race and destroy the Dems chances in Nov.

Huckabee didn't drop out until the numbers were official for McCain. While the numbers aren't "official" for Obama there is no way Hillary can win the nomination without the Super delegates. If she tries that route and overturns the will of the people, she WILL NOT win in Nov.

[aquart]

38. WHY aren't the numbers OFFICIAL?

Could there be a certain fluidity in the process? No wonder you're scared shit.

[azmouse]

43. I have total confidence in Obama's nomination.

AND that he will win in Nov. You can print this out and set it next to your computer.

I'll accept your apology when Obama's nomination becomes official or whenever Hillary finally realizes what is good for the party and country and drops out.

[dflprincess]

51. But she can keep Obama from having enough delegates to win on the first ballot

and, after the first ballot, delegates are free to move from one candidate to another. And I continue to visualize no nomination on the first ballot and mass movement of delegates to a yet to be named third candidate because I can't stand either of the two we're stuck with.

[azmouse]

53. I'd really question whether a third candidate

could muster up enough momentum in Sept and Oct to win in Nov.

You're stuck with these two... for good or bad (but still much better than McCain).

[dflprincess]

56. I can dream, can't I?

I only consider these two to be marginally better than McCain and the only reason I'll vote for one of them is because of the courts. I don't expect either Clinton or Obama to risk angering our corporate masters by pushing for many progressive changes. Their plans to force us to buy health insurance from the very companies who are screwing us now bear that out.

[DJ13]

9. She'll have to be dragged out kicking & screaming

[aquart]

31. Is that how you see your women? How nice.

[Redstone]

10. I guess you think that if you repeat that enough, she'll listen to you. But guess what?

She won't. Any more than Senator Obama will listen to the pompous declarations that HE should "drop out now."

But you don't understand that part, do you?

Redstone

[Selatius]

11. If she will lose, then I say let her lose.

Unless she sweeps all upcoming contests and erases Obama's lead in pledged delegates, she's going down regardless if she stays in or drops out.

[mudesi]

15. That will help the Republicans

That's the point. We already know Obama is going to take the nomination. But having Clinton do McCain's dirty work for him over the next three months is only going to help McCain.

[Selatius]

21. If the remaining super delegates realize that, then they will decide Obama wins.

If so many realize the same thing you do, then what will happen is most of the remaining super delegates who have not yet committed will commit to Obama if only to answer the question for everybody. Today, for instance, a super delegate in Georgia announced for Obama. More will likely follow.

[mudesi]

37. Which is why she ought to drop out now

Because waiting until the convention is going to help one person: John McCain.

[aquart]

40. Nothing will help the Republicans.

By November we will have bank failures.

[goldcanyonaz]

13. "We're going on, we're going strong and we're going all the way."

Hillary Clinton last night!

:woohoo:

[nebula]

23. That's what Kucinich said too.

[aquart]

27. But he was a guy.

[cboy4]

17. I understand how despondent and desperate you

are after last night.

It can't be easy rubbing the noses of Hillary supporters in dog poo and then have it all come back to haunt you. :hug:

Maybe Obama should drop out now (in angry caps) so you won't have to suffer any longer?

[mudesi]

19. I appreciate the sarcasm

But you know I'm right.

She can't win the nomination without having super delegates overturn the pledged delegates. It's a mathematical certainty.

So why do Clinton supporters continue to cling to this delusion that she's going to "go all the way"? It's only going to help McCain. Don't you people understand that?

[aquart]

46. What goes around comes around.

Obama supporters have behaved like mind-controlled cultic morons spouting unfounded and vicious smears like church lore.

And now you are begging us? No, darling. We want to see you choke on humble pie. So, personally, I want Hillary in this race right to the convention. She's earned it.

What Obama supporters have earned is utter and total disillusionment. I hope it happens before it's too late.

[mudesi]

48. So you want a Republican president because of SPITE?

She will not win the nomination. Dragging this to the convention will help John McCain. That's what you really want?

[aquart]

24. That would save everyone so much suffering.

And it would be good for the country. He's a real patriot. He loves his country more than his mere ambition. I'm sure he'll do it.

[Johnny Potpie]

20. For unity

...and for the good of the party, she must go. Now! I just don't know if I could vote for her if she gets the nomination in some back room deal with superdelegates. What happened to the will of the people? Isn't it obvious that Obama is the choice of our party? She simply cannot catch up mathematically. It's so obvious that Hillary needs to drop out, and go back to NY. Obama is the leader of our party now.

[aquart]

29. LOL!!!!! LOSERS!

That was fun.

[aquart]

22. Good luck with that, cutie.

Democracy is a toughie for some.

[JackORoses]

30. So you agree that the Candidate with the most Pledged Delegates should win, dumpling?

That would be the democratic choice.

But losing is a toughie for some.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

28. Then the super-delegates will just have to overturn the pledged delegates.

It's really kind of simple.

You promulgate rules that are not rules, then get upset when those imaginary rules are not followed.

I think the pledged delegate count should be decisive, all other things being equal.

But that doesn't mean it's a rule.

[mudesi]

32. My main point, though, is that McCain benefits

Do you honestly think that if the super delegates overturn the pledged delegates, that it won't hurt the Democratic party? That it won't help McCain? It may just put a Republican in the white house for another four years.

That's the real point here.

[azmouse]

39. If the Super delegates do that then get used to another Rep president.

Many, many people will not vote for Hillary.

[joeybee12]

33. It aint' over til it's over...this same TIRED argument was made long

before yesterday...It's the Indy 500..Obama hasn't won since he's finished lap 400 and Hilary is still on 399...news flash...it's the Indy 500 because there are 500 laps...it ain't over.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. ROTFLMFAO

PRINCETON, NJ -- Hillary Clinton has moved ahead of Barack Obama in national Democratic nomination preferences, 48% to 44%, in polling conducted Sunday through Tuesday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104788/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-48-Obama-44.aspx

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Hillary Clinton leading Barack Obama nationally by five percentage points in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Clinton now attracts 48% support while Obama earns 43%. Daily tracking results are collected via nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. Virtually all of the interviews for today’s update were completed prior to the announcement of Clinton’s victories in Ohio and Texas last night.

Looking to the general election, John McCain has a slight lead over both Democrats. McCain now leads Obama 48% to 43% and Clinton 46% to 45%

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


And Obama's once insurmountable lead in North Carolina is evaporating:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html


So, let me see if I got this straight... The person who is leading in the nat'l polls, polls better against the Republican nominee, and is closing the gap in a big Obama state should get out of the race...

Mmmmkkay...

Obamamania has run sadly run its course...It didn't last as long as the hula hoop, the leisure suit, disco, or streaking...

[mudesi]

41. Closing the gap?

Are you aware of the math?

She didn't win enough last night to close any gaps. She barely won Texas and she only got 10% more in Ohio. It is mathematically impossible for Clinton to catch up in the delegate counts. That is a fact.

So please, all you Hillary supporters, I know it's tough to admit it, but lose the delusion already.

[azmouse]

45. Sorry but we're just banging our heads against a brick wall here.

Hillary supporters just won't accept the reality of their candidate not getting enough delegates.
Poor dears... they are soooo desperate for anything to hang on to.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. You Need To Look In The Mirror

By the time the primary season is over Obama will be trailing Hillary and Grand Pa Pa McCain in nat'l polls by double digits...

This will give the Super delegates pause...


Senator Obama fails the Commander In Chief test... He does not make people feel secure... The need to feel secure , according to Abraham Maslow's "Heirachy Of Needs" is one of the most primitive needs of all... Unless that need is met a person or to extend the analogy a candidate can't go on to meeeting his higher needs...

He's General Election poison...

Sorry, I am not impressed in running up the score is South Carolina or Utah, states we don't have a bat's chance in Hell of winning....

[grantcart]

44. Obama needs only 46 % of all remaining SD and PD to get the nomination

[aquart]

47. What if he only gets 36%?

[totodeinhere]

52. That's extremely unlikely.

Especially with such states friendly to Obama as Wyoming, Oregon, Mississippi and North Carolina coming up.

[grantcart]

54. the sad thing is that is just about the most intelligent thing you have to say

it does show how most Clinton supporters are dellusional about the math

[Pachamama]

49. Self-absorbed, ambitious and power hungry individuals don't quit, even when the math shows clearly

that they can't win....

Hillary Rodham Clinton isn't quiting...she won't leave until literally they hand her the walking papers and even then I think she will keep on going....

Meanwhile, the Republicans get a jumpstart on raising money and letting our two candidates bloody eachother. Meanwhile, Democrats across the country feel divided and angry. And for what? Because HRC refuses to quit and acknowledged as one of the most disliked Dems in this country that she will never overcome the fresh appeal of the new kid on the block. So she will make all of us suffer in the meantime for her ambitions. I didn't dislike HRC until recently watching some of her interviews and her negative campaigning against Obama. She lost me on the 60 minutes interview with her comments about whether Obama is a muslim or not. And I like a lot of people I know, have made a decision that if she becomes the nominee, that we won't vote for her and instead I plan to write in Obama's name. HRC can never win the general election. It's that simple. And I'm tired of voting for people because I have too. The only way HRC can get the nomination is with the super delegates and if the super delegates are the ones deciding, then I'm done with the Democratic Party and so are a lot of people I know.

[depakid]

55. Obama can't win without superdelegates, either.

Little tantrums like this, quite aside.

[mudesi]

57. He will have a lead in pledged delegates

Why is that so hard to comprehend? The super delegates will have to go against the majority of the pledged delegates to give Clinton the nomination.

[CitizenRob]

58. LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FANxPxD4v3E

[superkia]

59. She should continue on but she needs to stop campaigning...

like a republican, its destroying the democratic party and making McCain look so much better.

[Mags]

60. Hell no, it ain't over until the convention. Ms. Clinton

has the right to take it to the convention. Are you scared to let this play out?

[Zorro]

61. She's a fighter

I like that about her.

It's humorous to hear the Obama supporters telling her to surrender after two significant big state wins.

[TheDeathadder]

62. Ok Clinton you heard it

lynyrd_skynyrd wants you to drop out so drop out...YEAH RIGHT that's funny

It's going to be awesome to have President Clinton in 2009

[jillan]

63. The experts are saying that Obama cannot win without the SDs either.