voters want Clinton : Clinton 13,521,832 to Obama 13,497,175 is the official count

[papau]

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/obama_still_has_popular_vote_l.php

[adoraz]

1. is this including michigan? after the next 2 contests...

obama will be ahead anyways.

[ingac70]

4. Yes, it includes Michigan. n/t

[democrattotheend]

27. But only Clinton votes in Michigan

It does not include uncommitteds as Obama votes.

[Name removed]

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[TheDeathadder]

42. hey we all can debate our points

but there's no need to call the person who posted this thread a dick.

Grow up would you.

You couldn't call someone at a town hall meeting or rally a dick, so do you think you can here?

[shraby]

43. Can't count Michigan or Florida!

[TheDoorbellRang]

31. That's probably MI and FL, but doesn't include IA, NV, WA, or ME

According to RealClearPolitics, the popular vote if you add in MI and FL is Obama = 13,566,023/ Clinton = 13,602,878. Difference of 36,855 in Clinton's favor. BUT, these totals do not include the voting populations of Iowa, Nevada, Washington, or Maine because those states never provided them. Can we guess that 40,000 more people caucussed for Obama in these four states than for Clinton? Sure, why the hell not.

Without MI and FL, or the four caucus states noted above, the popular vote is Obama = 12,989,809/Clinton = 12,403,583. Difference of 586,226 in Obama's favor.

[blocker]

2. Did you include michigan and florida

if so, they don't count!

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. I knew in my heart it would be a landslide.

[Abacus]

24. I hope you forgot the sarcasm tag

Even (apparently) giving Hillary Michigan, there's only 0.09%, or nine hundredths of one percent of the total vote separating the two.

[MercutioATC]

5. Can we wait until people are finished voting?

...especially when you're talking about a difference of a mere 24k votes.

(on edit)

You had the gall to include Michigan, where Obama wasn't even on the ballot?

Cheap shot...but why should I be surprised by that?

[taught_me_patience]

why are you counting michigan

talk about desperately grasping for straws.

[berni_mccoy]

6. Wow, counting votes where Obama wasn't even on the ballot. Typical Clinton Tactic.

[rodeodance]

16. tsk tssk

[ourbluenation]

7. that is not the official count. thanks though....

your total includes Mich and Flo.

[tabatha]

8. This is what it actually says:

So with Hillary's wins last night, where does the popular vote stand for the Democratic race? The bottom line is that Barack Obama still has an overall popular lead, albeit a very narrow one.

NBC has the crunched the numbers, and here's what they have:

DNC-Sanctioned Contests
Obama 12,920,961
Clinton 12,322,695

Including Florida
Obama 13,497,175
Clinton 13,193,681

Including Florida And Michigan
Clinton 13,521,832
Obama 13,497,175

Hillary takes a lead if both Florida and Michigan are included, but there is a caveat: Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan, and a lot of Obama supporters there cast their votes for "Uncommitted." None of those votes are included in his column here, which would theoretically put him ahead again.

[DUyellow]

14. Doesn't count

[mirrera]

9. That is with MI and FLA... Obama is willing to re-count those and be on the ballot this time in MI.

Also it says in Michigan if you just count the uncommitted for him he is ahead again. How about NY? Did he get any votes in Brooklyn yet? He was at 0% last I heard. I suspect it wouldn't be hard to find at least one person who voted for Barack in Brooklyn.

[LSK]

10. STOP LYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR POINT

OBAMA WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN.

[AZ Criminal JD]

29. He took his name off. He didn't have to.

There was no agreement to take names off the ballot and the DNC did not require it. Live by the sword and die by it.

[LSK]

33. does not change the fact that HE WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT

[AZ Criminal JD]

34. Does not change the fact that MORE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED FOR CLINTON.

I have a caps key too.

[LSK]

35. more people were ELIGIBLE to vote for Clinton

But if you insist on including this state then all the uncommitted votes should go to Obama.

And you know damn well that you need to include this controversial situation to make your statement true. You know Obama was not on the ballot, you know the entire state had NO CHANCE to vote for Obama and you back a statement that Hillary has more votes.

If you were really being sincere about this you would be able to throw out Michigan and still have your claim but you cannot.

[DUyellow]

11. LOL... You can do better than this.

[papau]

15. true - but it does work to jerk a few chains - and GE/NBC has actually double checked the numbers

[New Dawn]

12. That is not including the votes of those of us who had caucuses

When you include those of us who voted in caucuses, Obama would have the lead.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2008&off=0&elect=1&f=0

[democrattotheend]

13. Includes Clinton in Michigan, but not uncommitteds

If you are going to include Clinton's Michigan total you at least have to count the uncommitteds for Obama. I know some of the uncommitted voters were Edwards supporters, but they specifically voted against Clinton, so with Obama the only other Democrat in the race now, he should get those votes if we are going to count Michigan.

[papau]

17. Obama got zero votes in Mich- so that is how it stands at this point

[anigbrowl]

21. Well, enjoy it while you can

I'm sure you'll weep and wail when he goes back ahead, even using your flawed math.

[WonderGrunion]

48. Hillary got zero delegates in Michigan

-so that is how it stands at this point.

[awaysidetraveler]

18. Papau, this is beneath you. Clinton does not have the popular vote.

Not according to that article, not in reality: not at all.

That's why he's winning all the delegates.

The caucus results have not been tallied in those results, and the Michigan caveat is not minor.

Read the article before posting lies about it.

By the way, Obama won Texas.

[nomorewhopper]

19. clinton does NOT have the popular vote. 0/10

zero stars

nice try

logic escapes the clinton team, once again.

[TomClash]

20. This includes Michigan, Florida and Kazakhstan nt

[SoFlaJet]

22. Anybody looking for any proof that there are Clinton staffers here

only has to look at this swill of propaganda

[anonymous171]

23. lol lying again.

Obama wasn't even on the ballot in michigan you liar.

[lapfog_1]

25. Why do you cite a story where the HEADLINE is the opposite

of the point you are trying to make...

The actual headline...

"Obama Still Has Popular Vote Lead — But Just Barely"

And then you make a false claim about the numbers... when will you idiots understand that unsanctioned is just that UNSANCTIONED.

[AZ Criminal JD]

32. The only way Obama can win this is by taking away people's votes.

[Dogmudgeon]

39. That's the plan -- Yes They Can!

After a string of HRC victories, even with the pundit-guaranteed loss of MS and WY, she will be ahead by as many as 1.5 million voters but behind by 50-100 delegates.

The voters are fed up with being told how to vote by party and media elitists. They see the large number of Obama endorsements and the Obama ground campaign Surge of Hatred, and now they're determined to make this a competitive race again.

The people don't like two-faced campaigns, where the candidate talks about morality while the troops loot, riot, and rape. The whispering campaign against Hillary Clinton has failed -- and backfired.

--p!

[Dogmudgeon]

26. The Obama Nightmare Scenario: Obama gets the delegates, Hillary gets the voters.

"Bush v. Gore, The Sequel!"

--p!

[DuaneBidoux]

38. That would be a partywide nightmare..

It could really tear us apart (screw the individual candidates).

[Dogmudgeon]

40. Don't you know it!

It's why I think that it will be Clinton/Obama.

It puts Hillary in now, while she is young enough to kick ass on a daily basis, and gives Obama a staggering sixteen years of unrestricted executive experience -- complete on-the-job training with eight initial years to also do some serious activism and eight years as POTUS in what will likely be http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=115">the most painful and worst years in America's history.

That's a combination that we need, no matter who fills the bill.

--p!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

41. If Hillary Gets The Popular Vote, She Will Win The Nomination Hands Down.

As long as there weren't national polls totally against her, if she goes to the convention with the popular vote and the big states in her pocket, she will be the nominee and Obama the VP. Mark my words.

[AZ Criminal JD]

30. The latest count is Clinton 13,602,878 Obama 13,566,023

The fact is that more people have voted for Clinton than have voted for Obama. Say what you want about Michigan but that was Obama's choice. With choices come consequences.

[Bigleaf]

45. If those counts include Florida I call BULLSHIT!

I was told my vote wouldn't count so I did not bother to vote. How many others didn't vote for the same reason? You do a Re-vote of both states or nothing. How much fairer could it be?

[AZ Criminal JD]

46. I call BULLSHIT

In both those states there were other offices and measures on the ballot which did count. So you didn't vote even there were other elections going on? BS. Interesting you don't have a state in your profile. So of course you can claim to be either in Michigan or Florida depending on what BS you want to post.

[RememberWellstone]

36. You upset the lemmings

Look at them stop their pilgrimage and come after you for daring to tell the truth. From now on, just let them follow the Ommpa Loompa off the cliff. LOL.

[DuaneBidoux]

37. Does that include Caucuses? I caucused and I want mine to count too.

[Capn Sunshine]

44. well, maybe in opposite world:Reality numbers

Here in reality

Obama 12,989,852
Clinton 12,403,174

Scoreboard, Hillarious ones.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

47. See the SPREADSHEET I just posted at URL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4918049 .

If my tallies of CNN data are correct, Hillary would net more than 600,000 poplular votes from the flawed FL "primary" and the Soviet-style MI "election". That would already be enough -- with thousands of votes to spare -- to wipe out Obama's cumulative popular primary and caucus vote margin of about 600,000.