Ok, I get the anti-Clinton feeling here. But why the venom targeted at us Clinton supporters?

[PresidentObama]

It seems so many posters lately want to attack and lump together all the Clinton supporters, and they point to a few examples of a few bad apples here on DU using Karl Rove like tactics and try and paint the whole apple tree as sour. I've got news for you folks, this is JUST as bad on BOTH sides. Obama supporters here on DU have a few bad apples. And so do we Clinton supporters. It's part of the craziness and vile postings that have showcased the General Discussion: Primaries section for the better part of the last few months.

And as the race gains more intensity, the more bullshit is posted daily....

I just want to know, why all the anger directed at Hillary supporters on DU?

I've seen claims in the last few days we're helping John McCain get elected, that Hillary is trying to get McCain elected and we're some how helping her, that we're destroying the party (even though I thought this was a democracy??) despite her wins last night, and that we're all vile posters who want to use smear tactics to take down Barack Obama.

News flash: Not true!

I understand the bitterness and anger on both sides, and I'm thanking the imaginery gawd above that this primary season will be over soon enough. And onto kicking some John McCain ass...

Until then, I would like to ask all those throwing mud not at Hillary--but at us, her supporters, to cool it. Calm down, take a chill pill, and realize we're ALL on the same team!!

Ok?? Hillary is still in this. If you want to make her the enemy, so be it. I don't agree with it, and it's not smart strategy. But whatever floats your boat. But because I support her, I'm not your enemy. I'm not supporting Republicans, I'm not supporting Obama being defeated in November if he's the nominee, and I don't like Karl Rove tactics.

Thank you :)

[panader0]

1. Hey Kerry 2008......Kerry endorsed Obama. just sayin'

[PresidentObama]

4. Alright, and?

[ingac70]

2. Because some of her supporters...

Have a propensity to tell outlandish lies...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4897587

[PresidentObama]

6. You're not paying attention if you thinks it's mainly on one side.

Just saying...

[americanstranger]

9. I could just as easily say exactly the same thing to you.

There doesn't seem to be much respect flowing from either camp nowadays.

Go back to last night's posts and check out the end-zone dance by many Hillary supporters. Just pointing that out.

- as

[PresidentObama]

11. Gloating is childs play compared to a lot of the posts from last night.

[americanstranger]

16. How, exactly, do you make that distinction?

The old saying 'Where you stand depends upon where you sit' seems to apply here.

I saw Obama supporters called 'bottom-feeders' in a post this morning. Is that 'hatred' or simply 'gloating' in your book?

- as

[PresidentObama]

20. Apparently you weren't here when Obama was winning, and kicking ass.

It goes both ways, whether you see it or choose to ignore it.

[americanstranger]

32. I never said it didn't go both ways.

If you look at my first post in this thread, I mentioned that there wasn't a whole lot of respect coming from either side - whether or not not you choose to see or ignore it.

- as

[rinsd]

3. We've had our share of nitwits doing their best to spread ill will.

The newbies in the last 3 months have caused far more problems than anyone who was here fighting during 2007.

[rug]

5. The same reason drunken Red Sox fans fall down stairs while yelling at Yankee fans.

[WVRevy]

8. Nope. We're SUPPOSED to be on the same team

This is more like fans of the same team getting into fights over which quarterback should be the starter in the spring game.

As to the OP...I've been called a cultist, been told I know nothing of politics, been called naive, been called a sexist, and been told to quit the party and vote for McCain. None of that has been done by Hillary Clinton.

[blm]

7. No animosity for you. I come to share simple truths.

;))))

Sorry that some choose to attack you. That's not cool. But maybe it's their first primary.

Don't let it get to you.

[PresidentObama]

Thanks, blm. We may not agree on the Clintons, but I'm glad to know you're one of the good ones.

;) And we were both on the same team in 2004 with Senator Kerry.

Too bad we couldn't be on the same team in 2008....

We will again when we have a nominee. See you then!!

[NMMatt]

10. I have nothing against Hillary supporters

But we are not on the same team. Hillary supporters support Rove/Clinton tactics. You may not like Rove tactics, but your candidate uses them as much as Rove himself.

[cbayer]

42. No, you clearly do have something against Hillary supprters.

You accuse them of "Rove tactics" and that's just an unfounded slam.

This is just plain politics.

[NMMatt]

46. I accuse the Clintons of Rove tactics

Doctoring photos to make Obama look darker, spreading smears and push calls about Obama being a Muslim... these are tactics taken straight from the playbook. The only thing I have against Hillary supporters are that they don't see it for what it is.

[Mz Pip]

12. I don't hate Hillary

or most of her supporters. There are a couple here who go over the top with the "I'll never vote for Obama" rhetoric. But this Obama supporter will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

I don't thing the vitriol does anyone any good and does have a backlash effect of turning people off.

I have never read a nasty anti-Obama post that made me want to switch my support. I doubt anti-Hillary vitriol changes any minds either.

I have read some posts that say "Because of all the nasty ____________ supporters on DU, I will never vote for______________." That seems pretty silly to be basing your support or lack of support of a particular candidate on the random postings on an anonymous message board.

[PresidentObama]

15. The "I'll never vote for ____" bullshit is all talk, and rhetoric.

I think 99.9% of them are personally full of shit, and will come around by the time November comes.

Whether you love or hate Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, they're miles ahead of Senator McCain.

[NDambi]

I fit into that tiny percentage. I will never vote for the Hillster.

[seabeyond]

59. i am in the tiny too. and i have been working ass off a long time to get a dem

not gonna have it be one that wins bush's way

[SteppingRazor]

13. Actually, one could argue the opposite...

that Obama supporters here have more reason to loathe Clinton's supporters than Clinton herself.

Hillary Clinton hasn't insulted Obama supporters at DU again and again and again and again. And, of course, when you see enough of it, you start to think all Clinton supporters are like that. When the only tool you have is a hammer...

Of course, the vice versa also applies -- Clinton supporters have more reason to loathe Obama supporters at DU than Obama himself.

[PresidentObama]

17. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

[SteppingRazor]

26. Easy to say...

but when you just get done reading what a loathsome, traitorous, Rovian son of a bitch you are, it's tough to turn the other cheek.

Point being, I understand where the anger on both sides is coming from, and it feeds on itself and builds, until you get to where we are now. I've actually seen people projecting here at DU -- calling out Obama and Clinton because of what their supporters do here. It's totally bizarre. Almost pathological.

[PresidentObama]

29. DU can be a strange, strange place.

Some refusing to vote for Obama or Clinton based off of posts on DU.

Seriously. Where the logic in that?

Here's an answer: there is none!

Both sides need to put down the knives, and calm down!

[SteppingRazor]

30. Yeah, that too!

The "I will not vote for Obama/Clinton because of what DUer X did" is just stupid.

With my "projection" comment, though, I was referring to (and I swear I've seen this) a DUer commenting something like "Obama is full of hate" after an Obama supporter spews a hate-filled missive on DU!

I mean, it is just WEIRD! :crazy:

[PresidentObama]

36. That is odd.

Based on the size of this board, we're bound to have our fair share of mental cases and people who aim to gain attention and who are perhaps emotionally unstable enough to post on an internet discussion forum. Often times the worst posters are the ones seen and heard the most, because they gain and seek the most reaction and attention from other posters. It's sad, but true.

[rinsd]

21. My support for Hillary has been questioned her since the primary season started Jan 2007.

Remember when "Hillary supporter here were paid because obviously no one could like Hillary" threads that were all the rage for much of 2007?

[SteppingRazor]

27. Hell, that vaguely anti-Hillary sentiment goes back way farther than that, I'd say.

Way before the 2008 election campaign even began to rear its ugly head, I recall Hillary being dismissed in the same breath as Lieberman simply because of her association with the DLC.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. I miss pay day!

Remember when we used to rake in the dough? And then those pesky nosey body Gladys Kravitz types blew our COVER!!

[rinsd]

44. Ronny!

Yeah I miss the payday threads.

But the mods kept locking them!

[napi21]

14. I THINK most of the people you're talking about are very few in #, but very LOUD

and angry. Just speaking for myself, I've never critiized any supporters of any candidate, and for the first time since joining DU back in 2003, I've simply signed off for a while because I was sick of readino many nasty posts. Sooner or later they'll got ofer their problems or just go away. I'll wait 'em out becasue I feel like so many DUers are my friends.

[PresidentObama]

25. And seems like even though the sane posters outnumber them, they get their message out.

And the whole board suffers.

My solution? I think the Admins should start tombstoning more strictly.

Maybe a three strikes your out rule, and the moderators should get to strike anyone who pickes on another poster or who posts outrageous posts and uses gutter politics.

[redqueen]

18. Again? Enough with the persecution complexes!

It's coming from BOTH SIDES.

:banghead:

[JimGinPA]

19. I Don't Lump HRC Supporters...

I try and single out the most ignorant of them and call them on bullshit.

[Name removed]

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[xultar]

50. It is against DU rules to use this langrage agains one of our candiates.

Just thought you should know.

[seabeyond]

23. "cool it. "... no. i say this respectfully because

of your kerry2008 name.... i so wanted kerry to run. sheeit be pres. anyway aout your post.

i am the one that is not only talking clinton but clinton suporters in all of my posts and i am doing it for a specfic reason.

i have not been following all this stuff. i am not a fan of hillary but would have voted for her if she won. i am not a fan of obama but he is the one i prefer. i came in the other day and listening to a number of things hillary did prior to the tuesday vote disgusted me. they were pure absolute bushco/rove tactics. i have watched 8 years of that crap and i refuse to make excuses for a dem using that bullshit. when talking to the people on this board with what hillary is doing they are making excuses, pretending it isnt happening, looking the other way. that was monday and tues.

by this time and learning so much, seeing and hearing, i am disgusted. i can no longer vote hillary and i can no longer be respectful of the supporter. yesterday at the voting places i was hugging hillary supporters just happy to see a dem.

this morning when people were calling the HRC supporters on this not one was bothered by hillary's behavior. they are proud of it. way to do politics. what we are looking for. when called dirty politics we were told dirty politics are good politics

which brings me to going after the supporters.

i feel the same thing that i felt during the 2004 election with bushco/rove and the republicans who supported them. i held those supporters responsible for ignoring what was being done. i equally do with this. i cannot respect it. i will not validate or justify it. it is not ok in my book. it is not merely dirty politics is good politics for me.

so yes.... the supporters are now part of my issue

just as bush supporters has been my issue the last 8 years.

[mudesi]

24. Because it's irritating to see the delusion

Clinton cannot win this nomination, period. It's a mathematical certainty.

But you Clinton supporters refuse to listen.

[PresidentObama]

28. "But you" Wow, helpful post. To address your post....

...according to CNN, it's not impossible for her to win.

And it's possible neither could get the 2,025 needed.

And it's possible that this could go to the convention.

Perhaps until Obama clinches the nomination, which he hasn't even begun to do, you should let Hillary stay in and let us supporters of hers cheer her on and encourage her to carry this race as far as she can take it--and that's hopefully to the nomination!

[mudesi]

39. Perhaps you should read the 200 threads on this subject

It's over for Clinton. She can't catch up. Fact, not fiction.

See this is why the rest of us are irritated with you Clinton supporters.

[superkia]

31. If she didnt get the nomination, some of her "tactics" are only...

strengthening McCain and from what I see around here, the most important thing is having a D in office. for me, I feel that way and don't understand why people support her when she is taking a selfish route and possibly giving us another R in the oval office. I cant support that and don't understand how other so called democrats can support that?


What is important to the democratic voters here on DU, having THEIR TEAM win, or having a Democrat in office?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. I'm absolutely not against Hillary Clinton supporters! I'm against her tho

She lost ALL my interest in her ever being a president when she made a flattering comment about that @-hole McCain compared with a Democrat.

[GumboYaYa]

34. It happens both ways, usually the perpetrators are fairly new to DU.

After the primary, almost all of this will be forgotten.

[izzybeans]

35. I can't stand the disingenuous attacks from both sides.

I comment more often on the "Clintonista" drive bys because they are way more numerous.

If you get caught up in the slime I'm sorry for both of us. We'll be voting together very soon. Peace.

[JAbuchan08]

37. Ummm... because you fall for it?

It's incredibly frustrating. It feels like the march to war in 2002.

[Mike03]

38. It's amazing, isn't it? I'm not even a Clinton supporter, and I have been

attacked for not hating Hillary Clinton.

It's some kind of patholigical disorder.

[Mike03]

40. Kick

It's shameful.

My fellow Obama supporters should be ashamed of themselves.

[MadBadger]

43. It goes both ways. Ive seen Obama supporters called extremists by some HRC people here.

[PresidentObama]

48. Which is exactly what I said. Like my bisexual ex, it goes both ways ;)

[Johnny Potpie]

45. I'm not attacking Supporters

of Clinton. But I'm not going to shy away from the fact that the Clinton Campaign is vile. And Hillary herself has totally ticked me off by basically endorsing McCain as a better option than Obama. WTF is that all about. To me, that's utter BS. And it shows that if she can't have the Democratic nomination, she's gonna burn us all on the way out. Screw her!!!:mad:

[ecstatic]

47. Racially charged language/ codes by 90% of her DU supporters

Thread after thread on race, bragging about which groups won't vote for Obama because he's black, constantly f*cking up Obama's name or emphasizing his middle name as if to spread anti-muslim bigotry (even though Obama is Christian). I could go on and on, but that's it in a nutshell.

[PresidentObama]

49. Really? 90%? Back that up. Seriously. I want you to do that right now...

....Problem is: you can't!

That figure would be less than 10% of her supporters here on DU.

Just like less than 10% of Obama supporters use sexist and demeaning terms and phrases to describe Hillary.

It's the loud minority.

[JKaiser]

51. I remember when I first checked out DU this primary season.. I thought it turned into

Republican underground.. I was absolutely shocked with everyone beating up on others dem candidate.. Obama and Hillary Bashers need to realize that we are falling for the republican strategy.. They want us to be divided.. Hillary and Obama supporters are not going to change there minds about their candidate, Face it.. Why are we bashing anyway? What is there to prove?

[bigtree]

52. why do you hate math?

[zulchzulu]

53. Hillary is a turncoat....that is an absolute deal breaker.

As a support of Kerry, I'm sure you remember her scorn for John Kerry with the "botched joke". It was just the beginning of seeing a hateful phony on display out for power. Her endorsement of McCain is enough to demand her leave the Democratic Party and move to Punjab.

[JerseygirlCT]

54. Well, I agree with you, but it definitely goes both ways

And the broad brush, and attacks on supporters of either candidate... pointless, not to mention rude.

[rosetta627]

55. Well, I personally am targeting Clinton, but...

In all seriousness, how can you support someone who voted to invade Iraq and kill countless Iraqis and US soldiers? How is that even possible?

[Hepburn]

56. I have less than -0- respect for anyone who continues to support Hillary Clinton.

She endorsed McCain. On top of all the other dirt she has done, need I say more?

You want her, you can have her...but DO NOT expect to get a lot of respect, OK?

[TheZug]

57. Both sides should stop the phony indignation and be open about our animosity.

Obama people are being nasty to Clinton people.

Clinton people are being nasty to Obama people.

That's just the way it is. I haven't seen one side do any worse or better than the other.

Oh, and

Go, Obama! Hillary blows!

[seabeyond]

60. my only issue with clinton people is allowing the rove tactics same as republicans

in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

i called those people out for allowing their bushco to get away with dishonest campaigning and dirty politics. i put the same responsiblity on the clinton group. and they refuse to call it. have told me it is good politics.

it is not going after people individually or being just over all nasty to anyone.

it is an issue. a legitimate issue

[Liberal Veteran]

58. You want an honest assessment?

The fact is that just based on what I have seen from the most vocal of her supporters, it seems to me that their support of Hillary is practically a method to spite the republicans for their vile behavior the last few years (in that they are much like the republicans who went absolutely spiteful the minute they gained control of Congress).

That's not going to move this country forward.

We can't go back and redo the 90's and I've heard more than one Hillary supporter brag about how it would rankle the repubs to have Hillary as president.

Between that and excusing her outright exaggerations and misinformation and character assassination tactics, it's hard to feel much camaraderie with them.