If Obama takes the gloves off it won't be pretty.

[dailykoff]

when O-man gets done pounding Hillary's bogus experience, tax returns, cluster bombs, and lifetime of pathological lying there won't be much left for Bill to bury.

Senator Clinton, the last bus to Hopeless leaves at eight. Take a hint and get on it.

[aquart]

1. "Cluster bombs"??? Oh, do tell!

[tekisui]

6. She voted against the cluster bomb ban.

The bill that would ban the use of dropping unexploded bombs on civilians.

They can lay for years, and kill innocents for years. The UN considers them illegal weapons, bu not Hillary.

Obama voted for the ban.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Here's the link...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rees/clinton-obama-and-clust_b_84811.html

[tekisui]

2. Tax reports, Cluster Bombs, IWR, and Kyl-Lieberman could be connected

That's what I am curious to see.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Show Clinton for what she really is

like McCain there are still large skeletons in the closet.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. He needs to take them off a little bit. I think it's time. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. He might do it too.

The nomination's in the bag. He might test drive his attack mode, see how it might do against McCain. He's not really got anything left to lose at this point.

[tekisui]

9. Exactly, he needs to get in the flow for the Big Show.

[nonconformist]

5. Heh... right.

The right-wing has been trying to destroy her for many, many years. Guess what? Didn't work.

[cali]

19. They didn't destroy her but

they sure as hell damaged her. that's one reason, why despite her prodigious advantages, she's had such a hard time getting the nomination.

[earthlover]

44. they succeeded in branding her ...she has been trying not to look liberal ever since

why the hell did she feel she had to vote for the IWR? Because she didn't want to look weak. Because the Reps had already branded her a fire breathing liberal already. She has been afraid to look too liberal ever since....

[roguevalley]

63. they don't have to. all they have to do is add more taint to her

negatives and people will again ask themselves, "do I want to listen to this shit again?" when they decide no, they won't vote for her. she is playing with fire on the edge of an abyss doing this and if she does, she has no one to blame but herself when she burns.

[AndyTiedye]

7. If They Keep Attacking Each Other Neither Will Have a Chance in November

There is ONE way we might be able to win this thing. Both Hillary and Obama need to start attacking McCain NOW. Every time someone gives them a microphone.

There isn't that much difference between HRC and BHO on the issues. Big difference between either of them and McCain.

We want to pick the one who can beat McCain, if either of them are in any shape to do so by now.

[earthlover]

45. I agree.... a contrast to last night's speeches....

Hillary mentioned McCain only to say she looked forward to the fight. Obama also congratulated McCain, but he took some specific jabs against McCain during his speech. I was disappointed in Hillary's speech, in that it was so centered on Hillary. Listening to Obama there is just so much more SUBSTANCE. He does it so well it sounds easy, and people don't even notice how much substance there is. Hillary well, you know, you know, you know, really tries to put some substance in there you know, you know, you know, you know but she winds up talking about her favorite topic: herself.

[midora]

8. He Needs to Take the Gloves Off

John Kerry didn't take the gloves off in 2004, and look how that turned out.

[earthlover]

50. There is a difference

Kerry didn't take the gloves off of the Republican opponent.

If Hillary and Obama spend their energy against each other that is totally different.

Obama would be wise to make some easy jabs at Hillary (maybe make a countdown of days since she said she would get the tax returns out "soon" and post it every day getting bigger....)

But his main focus should be on McCain.

I feel he shoudl have been ignoring Hillary and attacking McCain for a while now, but now especially he needs to do that

[AndyTiedye]

75. If They Both Attack McCain as Ferociously as They Have Been Attacking Each Other

then we have a chance of winning this thing.

[DawgHouse]

10. Why pound on anyone?

All they need to do is debate the issues.

[tekisui]

12. Hillary's been ignoring issues to pound Obama.

It's time he controlled the fight.

[FrenchieCat]

15. What do you mean?

Obama is the one that ignored issues that he could use to pound Hillary.

[tekisui]

21. I meant Hillary has been going negative

rather than talk about the issues. Poor phrasing.

[gravity]

16. Because they are almost exactly the same on the issues

No one is winning any arguments there

[WVRevy]

28. That's funny, 'cause until Hillary went negative...

...he was winning just about everywhere.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Don't forget the Clinton's CEO API Child molester friend and donor!

Video Link - http://nytimes.feedroom.com/?fr_story=a15c80a4f43b9bfbd7de0fe87dffc3d84e8b16ca

Story entitled.... Rubbing Shoulders With Trouble, and Presidents
www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/nyregion/07company.html


Bill and his "friend", John R. Burgess, CEO of I.P.A. !

[Mike03]

14. This post represents the sort of idolatry that is humiliating for other Obama supporters. NT

[dailykoff]

33. Sorry, the cult thing is last week's talking point.

Get with the program.

[Mike03]

48. Cult's got nothing to do with it.

Dignity has everything to do with it.

[dailykoff]

51. I'll agree with you there: Obama can fight with dignity

and he will. Hillary doesn't know the meaning of the word. But it's Hillary that going to get messed up, not Obama.

[rodeodance]

17. eveing news showed a clip of him BLAMING THE MEDIA--not wise!!

[FrenchieCat]

23. so only Hillary can do that.... I forgot!

Hillary Clinton has convinced the media that it is biased against her, one of the great (and rare) successes of her presidential campaign, akin to her creation of the vast right-wing conspiracy responsible for conceiving a string of sexual and other disgraces in her husband's White House.
With classic chutzpah, Clinton would have us believe that in a campaign in which she has escaped the most basic scrutiny of her finances, her husband's business relationships and her claims of experience, she is hurting because of the media's favorable treatment of Barack Obama.

On the race itself, the media has time and again let itself be manipulated by a Clinton campaign deftly managing expectations, albeit in increasingly surreal ways. Only two weeks ago the consensus was that Clinton had to win Texas or Ohio by 20 point margins to have a shot at the nomination (at the time these margins still seemed plausible). In recent days, her campaign has put out the word that if Obama doesn't win all four contests this Tuesday, it will be a sign of trouble for him. Of course journalists, no matter how lazy or gullible, know this is stupid, but nonetheless, maybe in a failed effort at fairness, they now seem to accept that Clinton needs to win either Texas and Ohio by any margin. Suddenly gone is the original assessment that Clinton has to win big on March 4, despite the fact that it is mathematically verifiable that there will be too few contests after Tuesday for her to make up the delegate count if she doesn't put a big dent in Obama's lead now. This judgment has become more accurate daily as Clinton's superdelegate lead melts away.

Losing eleven contests in a row, mostly by far wider margins than anyone had anticipated, would doom any campaign (in fact, can anyone think of one major primary contender who has survived such a string of defeats?). Yet the media continue to portray Clinton as strongly viable, if not quite the frontrunner. Again, this is a remarkable feat by her campaign, and an utter failure by most journalists to accurately portray the state of the race.

Clinton has been able to twist these expectations because so many are still in awe of her and her husband, attributing near-mystical powers to their ability to come back from the dead (the latest example, we are told, was her narrow New Hampshire win two months ago). At the same time, she has set up the media as sexist and easily wooed by Obama. This may be true, but, if anything, this has lead the guilt-ridden mainstream press to soften its negative coverage of the Clintons. Nowhere is this more visible than in the complete lack of recent interest in the couple's finances: far more has been written about Obama and Rezko, despite the relative benignity of the charge, than about how Bill and Hillary have amassed the tens of millions of dollars that make up their fortune, starting with her Arkansas cattle futures deal and ending with his Kazakhstan connections. There is a rich vein of potential conflict of interest, corruption and misuse of power that the media should relish covering in great detail, but much of the discussion has been relegated to a few bloggers. A particularly opportune time for coverage should have been when Clinton pulled out $5 million seemingly out of nowhere, to finance her campaign, but we're still left to wonder how these long-time public servants have instant access to such sums, especially since no tax returns are available.

In the meanwhile, journalists have been covering the cackle, the misty eyes and the pantsuit; Clinton should be eternally grateful for this, as it has distracted us from far bigger sins, made her look like a victim of the predominantly male political media's sexism, and rendered journalists insecure about their ability to cover her campaign objectively...

more http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/clinton-and-the-vast-medi_b_89465.html

[Mike03]

18. Incidentally, Obama would CRINGE to see something like this.

You need to have some respect, and self-respect.

[Maddy McCall]

20. If he takes the gloves off, it'll work to her advantage.

If you can't see this, you're a political novice.

[anonymous171]

22. He won't attack her as she has attacked him.

You're right in that regard. She would only do her fetal position "OMG SAEV ME!" thing to get pity votes. What he's going to do is simply question her experience and allow her to answer.

[gabeana]

31. her campaign and supporters will call him a sexist

and that he hates women,and the disdain he has for women, remember the faux state of union snub, hillary supporters were up in arms that night

[dailykoff]

41. And he will calmly explain that they're mistaken

in a way that makes it perfectly clear they're nuts. :rofl:

[dailykoff]

24. Incorrect. He's a little more subtle than Hillary.

Actually a lot more subtle. He just explains the facts. :)

[earthlover]

57. So taking the gloves off works for hillary, but it is bad for obama?

I personally believe that neither campaign should resort to negative campaigning.

But for a supporter of one of the dirtiest campaigns in my memory (I am eligible for senior citizen discounts some places) you sure have a lot of nerve saying OBama can't take off his gloves without helping her!

[anonymous171]

66. She can play the vitctim card to get the pity vote, so Obama must be cautious.

No direct negativity, or else we'll have another NH on our hands.

[progdog]

72. She doesn't have any victim cards left. n/t

[anonymous171]

73. She won't need to play it..

Voters, especially women, will empathize and give her their vote out of pity. Remember, many women already feel like the media has been bullying her, and it gets her their votes. Playing into her victim complex is a bad idea. Scrutinizing her record, I think, would be acceptable, but nothing else.

[amborin]

67. yes, that's been shown...obama has tried to smear hillary from the beginning

but when Hillary fights back, she gets the blame

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Bring It

Obama will be the guy in the white trunks:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5tBbwdut74

[comradebillyboy]

34. exactly so .....nt

[BootinUp]

26. He already shot his ammo at her, expect

far less gains from another round of attacking Hillary.

[dailykoff]

27. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

He doesn't "shoot," he demolishes. Shooting is for novices like Hillary.

[BootinUp]

29. I guess we will have to see. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Bring It

Obama will be the guy in the white trunks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn6KIwnQd2c

[Major Hogwash]

30. And don't forget, Hillary voted for the Kyl/Lieberman amendment to lessen tensions in the ME.

It's in her campaign brochure, just below her latest stance on the Iraq War.

[dailykoff]

32. I heard she was misinformed by Condoleeza.

Or was that the latest IWR lie? :rofl:

[Major Hogwash]

40. Hillary's position on the Iraq War are all written in pencil. You can see all the erase marks.

She's gone from "in my 2nd term" to "1 brigade a month" to "within 60 days"

Hillary is playing politics with the troops - the thing I despise Bush for doing!

[Dogmudgeon]

36. Two words:

Let him.

--p!
WWJS: Who Would Jesus Smite?

[dailykoff]

64. Two more:

President Obama.

[Dogmudgeon]

69. And three more:

Vote your dreams.

--p!

[jillan]

37. Especially since he framed his campaign as being different.

He's between a rock and a hard place.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. It Won't Be Pretty, But He Might Not Come Out Alive Either.

She's far more experienced handling such attacks than he is. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[midora]

42. So It's Ok For HRC to Launch Negative Attacks Because She's More Experienced

but Obama shouldn't try his hand at mudslinging because he's not experienced enough? Thank you for explaining.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

46. Is Making Things Up Out Of Thin Air A Hobby For You?

I never said he should or shouldn't try his hand at it. I merely gave opinion on how it might turn out. Get a grip.

[dailykoff]

43. Did you catch the Cincinnati debate? Where they played the clip

of Hillary doing her "celestial choir" routine? He handled that one pretty damn well. He made a joke and then shot down the message she was selling by a) exposing it and b) showing why it was wrong.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. C'mon, That Was Nothing And You Know It. They Failed The Nafta One Terribly.

He's won some and lost some. But if he is to go all out, as you recommend, it will be interesting to see if he can hold his own or not. It will progress it to a level he has not yet seen. He might do well, but then he might fall horribly. We'll just have to see I guess.

[dailykoff]

55. The thing is he can take her apart while making them both look like winners.

Did you see how he handled that? He laughed and defused it, you could see Hillary relax and breathe a sigh of relief, and then he mopped the floor with the message behind it, i.e. that he was all talk and no action. Same with the closing: he gave Hillary props and then made his case without ever looking like he was taking her out. But he did.

[Snap]

39. Purple Rain

You know, the Prince Movie.
The Club was an ol Greyhound Depot in Minneapolis.
I think your picture is the one.
Maybe?
Oh yes, spot on re: Clinton.

[Mezzo]

49. Punjab memo? Harry and Louise? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK, he's already gone negative. nt

[dailykoff]

52. Harry and Louise isn't negative, it's just advertising.

Negative is telling the truth about the Clintons.

[FrenchieCat]

53. Her should remind folks where she has worked in that 35 years....

and how long she actually worked at the Children's Defense Fund that she always mentions so lovingly!


Hillary Clinton and Wal-Mart: A Love Story
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

Wal-Mart’s First Lady
Hillary’s Past Belies Her Support of Labor
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

WalMart Board - 1990


Clinton's '35 years of change' omits most of her career: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26377.html

How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain: http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/034

[dailykoff]

58. Oh hell yes. Her entire bio is a pack of lies.

She's basically been "fighting" for the GOP all along, in one way or another. The people-power band-aids are a bunch of corporate PR, like Exxon-Mobil's "environmental" efforts.

[emilyg]

54. He got warts?

[Mags]

56. Hillary as not even begun to fight. BO better watch what he

comes out with, cause he will be toast when she is done with him

[dailykoff]

60. Are you kidding? She's already turned herself into McCain!

In fact she's doing crap even McCain wouldn't allow. The only thing she hasn't called Obama is a --- (offensive term for gay, rhymes with bag) and I'm sure Penn is working on that one. :rofl:

[walldude]

61. And if not she'll throw her weight behind McCain?

The more experienced candidate?

[susankh4]

59. Can't wait to watch it!

Go Hillary! Ohio's got your back, girl!

[dailykoff]

62. Oh you won't see it.

Obama's got a gift for politics, unlike Hillary, who's only got a gift for assassination, like her hero LBJ.

[Wednesdays]

65. Why? Does he have dishwater hands?

:shrug:

[Hoof Hearted]

78. I think his hands are too soft to take the gloves off.

So far the harshest opposition to his run for the Presidency has come from his wife.

[workinclasszero]

68. Obama needs to take off the gloves and

put on some brass knuckles!

Hillary is the right wing hater/liar in this scenario and Obama needs to punch her hard.

God knows there is a wealth of scandalous material on Hillary!

Lets remind America about the fun loving Clinton's and how they like to keep things secret.

Like tax returns for instance.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. Can't wait!

[faithfulcitizen]

71. I hope you're right...after praising McCain's "lifetime of experience", I'm pissed...

[RememberWellstone]

74. Bring it on.

Gallup poll says Clinton 48%, Oblama 44%...amazing turn around.

[dailykoff]

76. Would you like to start with her finances or her role in 911?

Euphemistically referred to as her "leadership"?

[better tomorrow]

77. I believe 911....but what was her role?

wouldn't surprise me at all. I know Guiliani's and the Bush brothers.

[dailykoff]

79. Basically to shut up and ride the gravy train

which she's doing.