To all of the Hillary supporters calling for Obama to hang it up:

[BringBigDogBack]

You're making yourself, and all of Hillary's supporters look silly.

She's won 3 out of the last 15 CONTESTS. (two if you look at the delegates)

"But they're the big one's! They matter!"

If you can't see how terrible a strategy this is, then you're beyond help. :rofl:

Way to pick up a net 4 delegates, out of 380. You should be jumping for joy. After all, it was a first.

All thanks to a brilliant strategy. Mark Penn is a genius.

[peace13]

1. You can't state this clearly enough.

It's the old repug ploy. They think if they repeat that she is ahead enough times, that will make it so. The brain dead that they are appealing to will not notice that she is behind.

[islandmkl]

2. hey...maybe the Dolphins should have been in the Super Bowl...

they deserved it, they were experienced pros...


they just didn't outscore most of their opponents...


Oh, wait a minute, that's just sports...


nevermind

[gravity]

3. The lowered the standards

which are changing every moment to suit their campaign

[Dogmudgeon]

4. The Shrill Evil One is behind, for certain.

By 7% of the delegates and 4% of the popular vote.

I mean, she's like so knocked out.

But give it until, oh, May 7th or thereabouts.

--p!

[sniffa]

5. Edit your post: She's only won 2

[TheDeathadder]

25. Stop the spin

She won three and before you know it she'll win the presidency.

[roguevalley]

37. not if she keeps telling the rest of us we aren't relevent or worthy

[TheDeathadder]

45. that can be said for both sides

all I keep hearing on MSM and Obama's camp is how upset the Obama people will be if he loses and Obama's people are with him to the end...well guess what there's just as many Clinton people behind her to the end, and MSM, the Obama camp, and many Obama people on the board keep telling us we're not worth or relevent

It's gone on for too long and frankly now us Clinton people are pissed and we really want to win this thing. So I really wish Obama would stop saying he can win Clinton people but Clinton can't win Obama people. We're as tired of Obama spin and Obama's supporters spin as much as you guys claim to be of ours.

And we want her to stay in, neither will have enough delegates to seal the deal and he's just a few points ahead. Clinton has the popular vote lead. I guess both camps are going to have to take this to the convention to duke it out and earn the superdelegates...and until then Obama won't want to hear a thing Clinton has to say and the Clinton don't want to hear a word Obama has to say. Until then I guess this DU Board is going to be spinning so fast no one will be able to see it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

6. She got more votes in those 3 contests than Obama got in the 12 before them

But I doubt many Clinton supporters seriously are calling for Obama to withdraw. It just is natural blowback from the countless threads on DU for the last couple of weeks calling on Hillary to withdraw before the results of Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island were even known.

[Major Hogwash]

7. So, that means she only represents SOME Americans.

Not any of us who live in "the states that don't count."

That pretty much means she has more in common with Bush than Obama!

Great advertising point!

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. The way you twist words reminds me of some other people

and I'll leave it at that.

[earthlover]

10. So what did Hillary gain in delegates, a dozen? 5?

She is even further behind, really, in the pledged delegate race insofar as she now has that many fewer delegates from which to win enough to catch up with Obama. It is virtually impossible for her to even TIE Obama in pledged delegates. She would need OVER 60% in each remaining state....can't be done. She got, what, 54% in OH and 52 in TX? Not even close to what she needs in every single state from now on. Not gonna happen.

[BringBigDogBack]

12. shhhh. Logic doesn't go over well

on some here...

[BringBigDogBack]

17. I'd consider making that an OP.

And if I'm not mistaken, she wouldn't need 60% of the vote in each state, but 60% of DELEGATES... That's more like 70% of the vote.

When are the Hillary people going to wake up to these facts? I probably shouldn't hold my breath.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. When did the new rules come out?

Last time I checked a candidate needed a majority of ALL the delegates to become the Democratic nominee, and if no one wins on the first ballot even pledged delegates can change their vote.

[BringBigDogBack]

22. Is that what you're pinning your hopes on?

Wow!

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. Wow what?

If Obama loses big in Pennsylvania he will have lost big in all three of 2004's critical swing states, and if he loses most of the remaining contests also, and starts dropping in the national polls well behind Hillary Clinton, and if she moves ahead of Obama in polls matching both Democratic candidates against McCain, why on Earth should we be forced to accept him as our nominee? You argue in favor of DNC rules to stop Florida from counting, but when it comes to Super Delegates voting for the reasons they were actually intended to when the rules were set up, suddenly you don't like the rules?

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. P.S. You seem fine with rules that award more delegates to candidates

who lose the popular vote, like Obama did in Nevada and Texas, so you obviously are not concerned about the will of the people, just winning the process. Super Delegates are part of the process the same way that caucuses are part of the process, except that I think a stronger case can be made for them than for caucuses.

[BringBigDogBack]

30. I didn't set up the process or makle the rules,

but at the same time you cannot hope to change the rules during the game, when you find out your side is getting killed where it counts.

Sorry. Try again.

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. I'm not trying to , the Obama supporters who claim that Super Delegates

must back whoever ends the primary season with the most pledged delegates, all other considerations aside, are the ones who are trying to change the rules in mid stream.

[BringBigDogBack]

34. We'll see what they decide...

but if you think they will buck the system to do someone a favor, I think you'll be surprised on how they vote, and their reasoning behind it.

You don't throw out the system, because then you lose all credibility. My opinion.

We'll see who's right.

[Tom Rinaldo]

39. I agree that uncommitted Super Delegates need a good reason

if they don't back the candidate who wins the most pledged delegates. If it is just a matter of Hillary coming back and winning a few more delegates than Obama in the remaining races without racking up any particulary impressive victories, without surging ahead in the polls, getting serious closing momentum, maybe pulling ahead in the popular vote, and showing the type of strength in the states that really matter to defeat McCain while Obama falls short of doing so, Super Delegates should back the candidate who narrowly won the most pledged delegates.

But it is too early to say those things won't happen and if they do than Super Delegates would be remiss not to take that into consideration. I agree, they should not try to do anyone a favor. They need solid reasons for the good of the Party.

[Johnny Potpie]

8. Don't worry people.

It's going to be Obama. And be grateful. He will end this war. And he will work to advance the causes we are endeared to such as healthcare for everyone, education for all, and equality.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. ...

:silly:

[Maddy McCall]

9. I'm not. I won't have a problem if this goes all the way to the convention.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. Why do you say that? Is winning at all costs really more important than what's good for the party?

[Maddy McCall]

32. because the Democratic Party should practice DEMOCRACY.

The purpose of the convention, after all, is to nominate the candidate.

[BringBigDogBack]

35. I'd hate to be in your position at this point...

Arguing what you have to now, must suck feeling backed into a corner.

Time is running out.

[Maddy McCall]

38. I'm feeling great. Your Obama hangover must suck, though.

Poor you.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. Your being WAY too logical. This race is over and Hillary knows it . . .

I wouldn't be surprised if she cools the rhetoric in an attempt to get herself the VP slot. I think Obama is way to smart for that and knows she is the only one who could single handedly sink his chances in the GE. We'll see.

[cbayer]

31. Yeah, you right.

She looked absolutely DEVESTATED last night. And all those depressed people in the room. It really broke my heart.
:rofl:

[C_U_L8R]

15. they got a first down and think they've won the friggin' super bowl

pretty funny over-reaching by the Clinton crowd.

[Baclava]

18. So Obama = the Pats?

A winning streak.....then losing the only game that really mattered.

[C_U_L8R]

19. You could say that about either team at this point

[BringBigDogBack]

21. "the only game that really mattered"

:rofl:

I'm flattered you think so much of my home state. (Texas)

But you're comment is ridiculous. This is a national election.

[Baclava]

42. Take off your short-sighted blinders and see the light

Obama = the Pats.

A meaningless winning streak....then losing the only game that really matters....the nomination.

[BringBigDogBack]

43. I didn't get the memo that he'd lost the nomination....

Let's see here: Try to keep up with me if you can. I know it will be hard.

Fact:

He leads in delegates
He leads in popular vote
He leads in won states
He has more grassroots support


You know how you BUILD LEADS?

YOU WIN. Preferably more than twice every 15 or so contests.

Logic, it's a real motherfucker, eh?

[Baclava]

44. Mayhaps you missed the 'query' sign in my original post.

It was a question....and the guppies came running for the bait.

Don't take it so hard, 'The Passion of The Obama' has ground to a halt.

It's a new game - and all bets are off.

[jsmirman]

23. If one was to lose the only game that mattered

are you suggesting that Ohio and Texas, on top of being the furthest thing from winner takes all (which is exactly what the super bowl is) were some sort of Super Bowl?

[BringBigDogBack]

24. I found that to be pretty funny myself.

[Baclava]

The Nomination = the SB

18-1

...is just 18-1.

[RazBerryBeret]

28. wow...

they only game that mattered?

I'm an Ohioan--thanks?

but I think that's old school...

[RazBerryBeret]

29. wow...

they only game that mattered?

I'm an Ohioan--thanks?

but I think that's old school...

[ORDem]

36. They can't see it, they are totally blinded by irrationality. You're really

wasting your breath, but don't stop, lol.

BTW, I donated again to Barack, a C note this time. No time to slack off.

:kick:

[galadrium]

40. Obama may end up getting more delegates out of Texas than Clinton

I can't wait until that makes headlines. Might end some of the phony "momentum" talk.

[BringBigDogBack]

41. Yep.