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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:22 PM
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Hillary has been vetted? I think not....
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/5/16437/77867 (hyperlinks to evidence in original)

Has Hillary Clinton really been 'vetted' as she so often claims?
by Bob Johnson, Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 04:04:37 PM EST

Over and over, we have heard Hilary Clinton and her campaign surrogates claim that she has been "vetted for 15 years." Harold Ickes used those very words today.

The candidate, herself, has said:


"I've been tested. I've been vetted. I have been in the political arena in our country very intensely for 16 years. There are no surprises. There's not going to be anybody saying, `Well why didn't we think of that?' or `What, my goodness, what does that mean?'" she said. "I am going to be able to go up against any Republican who they nominate."

"No surprises?" You've been "vetted?"

Really?



I note that the Clinton camp has been calling for a "vetting" of Obama since before the Iowa caucus. The Clintonites have presented their "vetting" of Obama as almost a public service to the Democratic Party. Over and over we have heard that he needed to be "toughened up" because much harsher attacks were sure to come from the Republicans should Obama capture the nomination.

I diaried about this back before Iowa voters spoke:

Clinton backers: 'Obama needs to be vetted.' I say: 'Hillary, too!'

What has been fascinating to watch is the Clinton camp's never-ending zeal quest to "vet" Obama. All in the interest of making sure we know everything about him we possibly can, of course.

But has Hillary really been "vetted," as she and her campaign have repeatedly claimed?

Have any of her Democratic opponents, including Obama, sought more detailed answers from her about stories such as:


Norman Hsu and his bundling of money for her campaign?

How "dishwashers, waiters and others" poured "$1,000 and $2,000 contributions into Clinton's campaign treasury?"

Bill's trip to Kazakhstan with Canadian magnate, Frank Giustra, that netted Giustra $3 billion and Bill's foundation a $131 million contribution from Giustra?

How powerful foreign donors to Bill's presidential library, such as the Saudis, may pose a serious conflict of interest to Hillary's foreign policy actions as president?

How Bill's tangled ties to an investment concern of Clinton friend, Ron Burkle, and it's dealings with Dubai may yet, again, threaten to compromise Hillary Clinton's execution of foreign policy as president?

The fact that with all of these questionable financial dealings, the Clintons have been unwilling to release their tax returns, especially in light of Hillary Clinton claiming that the $5 million she lent the campaign was "her own money?"

And, finally, though we, as Democrats, don't care who Bill schtupps (and, no, none of us believe he has kept his fly zipped the last seven years), you can be damn sure the Republicans will be digging hard (no pun intended) to see just what Bill has been up to since leaving office.

So has Hillary really been vetted? Shouldn't she be fully vetted on these stories and others for no other reason than as a public service to the Democratic Party? (The same logic Camp Clinton continually throws out for its "vetting" of Obama.)

Shouldn't the press be asking her about these stories and their potential impact on the race, should she garner the nomination? Shouldn't Democratic superdelegates take into account these items that may present themselves in "full bloom" during a race versus John McCain in the Fall?

Is $150,000 (since returned) from Tony Rezko more important than hundreds of millions of dollars in secret transactions?

I think for the sake of the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton needs to be fully vetted.

I am sorry. I am not taking her or her surrogates at their word that there are "no surprises" and that she has been "fully vetted."

The facts are, she has not. Certainly not to the extent she will be on these stories -- and more -- in a general election versus John McCain.

Let the "vetting" begin.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:23 PM
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1. Think what you will. The facts speak for themselves n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:25 PM
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5. well sais - Obama camp lies and lies by implication and smears belie the media's "clean Obama" story
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:26 PM
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6. Just because she was married to a President does not give her foreign policy exp!
Would you want the 18 year spouse of a cardiologist doing your triple bypass?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:28 PM
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9. Um it might be possible if we had some facts to work with
Like last years tax returns perhaps?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:34 PM
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14. we need to be blogging on this all over the place
time to get tough - if we want change.

Post here, but blog at TPM Cafe or over at www.OpEdNews.com so it can reach
other audiences.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:30 PM
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11. The facts certainly do speak for themseleves
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:23 PM
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2. This momentum is great!
Now her stances and claims are finally being examined. The only vetting she has received previous is from MSM pundits who like to shout demeaning sexist insults at her.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:24 PM
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3. I think it's time some serious, public vetting of Clinton began.
Since she wants to play that game with Obama.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:24 PM
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4. She's been vetted. That's why she has such high negatives.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:27 PM
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7. She's been vetted. That's why she has such high negatives.
No, people dislike her for her abrasive personality.

That has nothing to do with being vetted for a new job.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:28 PM
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10. Indirectly, that;'s what I was getting at.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:32 PM
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12. That was based on the crap from the 90's that people knew about
this is all new crap. Let's see how high her negatives go when this stuff begins to hit the fan.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:27 PM
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8. When she endorsed mccain over Obama that was all I needed for vetting
Before that I would have voted for WHOEVER the Democratic nominee was, not anymore, if Hillary is the nominee, I will be sitting this election out. Very much like some of the Hillary supporters who have said if Obama wins the nomination, they will be sitting out this election.

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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:25 PM
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21. I wouldn't have voted for Hillary before that, but her love affair with McCain is sickening.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:32 PM
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13. Take her to the Vet!
time to take her in for her annual shots, maybe get her neutered!

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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:50 PM
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15. Vetting
Hear hear! She is the one who has been getting a "free ride," and it has to stop; now!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:21 PM
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16. K/R.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:28 PM
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17. Bill's offshore funds. Add that to your list.
Super list, btw.



Super creepy!
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lmbradford Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:18 PM
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18. HEY>>>>>
Let's make Laura Bush run for senator for a term and then go for the presidency. She'd be just as qualified as HRC. What does everybody think? Tons of experience and actual war experience too. Does nobody see how ridiculous this is?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:19 PM
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19. The Clintons REFUSE to hand over the tax records and the White House records.
What are the Clintons hiding??
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:22 PM
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20. Hillary hasn't refused to turn over her tax records . . .
Do you have any idea how long it takes to warm up a copier?!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:54 PM
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23. LOL! The Xerox is getting warmed up! n/t
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:25 PM
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22. Translation: "Let's all fling a lot of poo at her!"
Hey hey, we're the Monkeys!

So what do you want vetted? Every smear you posted is something that has already been vetted. Several pertain to the William J. Clinton Foundation alone. The only major piece of information that is still not out is the tax forms. What will you do once she releases them?

Throw enough shit and hope something sticks. What a plan!

--p!
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