The Advocate: Obama made gay push in Texas, Hillary pushed back.

[Bluebear]

Barack Obama’s troops have been making a push in the LGBT communities of both Ohio and Texas to cut into Hillary Clinton’s long-standing support among gays and lesbians before Tuesday's critical primary vote...

But just as quickly as Obama has been striking, Clinton has been swinging back. No sooner had his campaign secured four full-page ads in four separate gay weeklies in Dallas, Houston, Columbus, and Cleveland, than she had conducted a conference call with reporters from three of the same weeklies. The Clinton camp also announced the formation of a 38-member LGBT steering committee in Ohio last week. And in Houston – which has the 10th largest gay population in the nation – after the city's nonpartisan GLBT caucus endorsed Obama last week, Clinton spent 20 minutes of her Friday evening answering questions from the Houston Stonewall Democrats, who endorsed her on Saturday.

“It’s an exciting time down here in Texas, the most exciting in my lifetime,” said 45-year-old Teresa Herrin, president of Houston’s Stonewall chapter, her voice cracking from the strain of too much politicking. Herrin said they extended an offer to both candidates to speak with their five-member executive board but that the Obama campaign finally declined the offer at 10:00 a.m. Saturday morning...

Within the first 100 days of her presidency, Herrin said, Clinton promised to extend benefits to all same-sex couples who work for the federal government with an executive order, end “don’t ask, don’t tell,” and use the bully pulpit to advocate for a fully inclusive ENDA and a fully inclusive hate-crimes bill. (Herrin and her executive board were not clear how Sen. Clinton would end “don’t ask, don’t tell” – if by executive order or some other means.)

Clinton also discussed how adamant she is about allowing everyone in America to adopt children if they are a qualified couple. “It was like she was indignant,” Herrin said of Clinton’s manner while talking about same-sex couples’ adoption rights. “Her voice just really changed, and that was the part that surprised us – her passion.”

http://www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid52458.asp

[AtomicKitten]

1. She also promised to create jobs in NY and didn't, so good luck with all that.

[ruggerson]

15. Well at least she's not saying her religion tells her to believe in marriage apartheid

unlike another candidate we won't name.

[FedoraLV]

47. Obama is UCC

Makers of this ad:
<http://www.ucc.org/god-is-still-speaking/>

They are very much in favor of gay rights, based on Jesus' treatment of outcasts in his day:
<http://www.ucc.org/lgbt/>

(Which is exactly Obama's position: <http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=17737>)

Obama is getting a lot of flak from conservative Christians for saying so -- Google "Obama Sermon on the Mount" to read some of it.

McClurkin is the founder and senior minister of Perfecting Faith Church, a fundamentalist church with no denomination - they are essentially a freewheeling Bible study group based on McClurkin's personal views with no connection to any other established churches.

-FedoraLV

[joshcryer]

19. Please don't parrot that lie, she created over 300k jobs in NY.

That's a fucking fact.

[AtomicKitten]

22. oh, so that's the "over-exuberant" part of her lie?

[JoFerret]

52. You need to acquire a sense of fairness and proportion

That is not an insignificant number. Particularly with a GOP administration taking the country down the toilet. The NY impact of 9/11 and a GOP governor.

[JoFerret]

51. Silly response

A better one would have been that she had stopped trying/ working to create jobs.

Which of course is just not true.

Give people their due when it is deserved.

[peacebird]

2. what has she done in her 35 years experience?

[Bluebear]

4. Is this adding to this particular topic or is this just a drive-by?

[chascarrillo]

9. I think her lack of action in the past 35 years is a valid point.

Isn't experience what the critical point is nowadays?

[Bluebear]

11. This thread is about GLBT Americans, not that you care, evidently

[NMMatt]

6. Assist her husband in selling out one group after another

In pursuit of their unconstitutional 16 year power grab.

[Bluebear]

7. So Obama selling out gays was a relatively early career move, then?

[NMMatt]

12. He has yet to sell them out

We will see how he governs.

[Bluebear]

13. He sold us out in South Carolina, October 2007.

"God delivered me from homosexuality!!!!!!11"

[NMMatt]

18. Oh yeah... I forgot... McLurkin is more important than actual policy to some people. My bad. -nt

[Bluebear]

24. Go away, this thread doesn't even concern you, evidently.

Another newbie troll for the ignore pile.

[JoFerret]

55. Not bad. Just silly and apparently obsessed.

and blind to rational thought.

[JoFerret]

53. He sold out real early.

I understand why and if he is the nominee he will have my wholehearted support and my every effort to pull him into better positions on key issues.

[SoCalDem]

26. forgave Bill and refused to bake cookies?

:ducks:

[anonymous171]

3. Man, she is good at pandering.

[Bluebear]

5. Sorry, her campaign event don't advise that God can save you from homosexuality.

[UALRBSofL]

8. Bluebear I posted a thread where he

Obaba flip-flopped on GLBT issues and it dated back to 1996.

[chascarrillo]

10. You also posted a link to a hate site that had Obama's face on Osama bin Laden.

So, yeah, there's that.

[UALRBSofL]

17. Sorry, but I posted a link to an article about Rezko and Obama

I didn't post a link to a photo so you can think what you want.

[UALRBSofL]

14. Bluebear Here are the articles I referenced

This is a few articles that show Obama Flip-Flopping
Obama on Marriage:
For the record, I opposed DOMA in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote
for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend
the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying. This is an
effort to demonize people for political advantage, and should be resisted.
_http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ART..._
(http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/gay/lesbian/news/ARTICLE.php?AID=4018)


Obama and Edwards on DOMA: Just Say "No" and Just Say Nothing:
Two surprises: Obama reneges on his opposition to the Defense of Marriage
Act and Edwards says that he would work for its repeal.
_http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2007/05/obama_fl..._
(http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2007/05/obama_flipsflop.html)


2/28/08 Open Letter from Barack Obama to the LGBT Community:
I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that
equal treatment.
_http://www.bilerico.com/2008/02/open_letter_from_barack..._
(http://www.bilerico.com/2008/02/open_letter_from_barack_obama_to_the_lgb.php)

[anonymous171]

16. She attended a fundraiser held by a racist sherrif.

[NMMatt]

20. Hell she's used actual racist tactics -nt

[LVjinx]

30. Really? Or just as reported by the Obamedia?

[NMMNG]

21. Nice article

Good, solid and rapid plans from HRC. I like that.

[IndianaJones]

23. where are all the Obamaton homophobes? nt.

[ruggerson]

28. see post #27

[BrightKnight]

25. .

[theboss]

27. I'm imagining the two of them pushing Charles Nelson Riley back and forth

It's quite the amusing image.

Except for the fact he's dead.

So, let's imagine them pushing Doogie Howser back and forth.

[Bluebear]

29. 'It's quite the amusing image.' Mm. Hilarious.

[RandomKoolzip]

31. It might be amusing to a person who thinks in stereotypes.

:wtf:

[LeftCoast]

34. I hope that someday you come to understand how homophobic you sound right now

[EmilyAnne]

45. What the hell is that supposed to mean? And didn't Charles Nelson Riley die from HIV complications?

Real funny.

Please, have some respect for people who have legitimate concerns about Obama's stance on LGBT issues. Yes, the McClurkin thing really happened and, yes, it sucks. There isn't much of an excuse for the way he handled it.

Why attempt to make people feel bad because they are angry about it?

[RandomKoolzip]

46. I really wish my fellow Obama supporters were more sensitive about this subject.

It gets really embarrassing - and tiresome - having to convince everyone that we're not ALL homophobic assholes.

[terrya]

50. Going that extra mile to being a homophobic asshole, I see.

[David Zephyr]

32. Another news story to work the phony McClurkin "story" into a new thread.

So predictable. At least you held back in the OP which is novel of you. LOL!

[Bluebear]

33. What's predictable is you behaving like an asshole.

[LeftCoast]

35. Thanks for kicking the thread!

:hi:

[Bluebear]

36. Careful, he'll call you "mentally ill" for opposing Obama.

(Also, where is McClurkin in the original post? :silly:

[David Zephyr]

39. Read my post #32. I was commending you that it WASN'T in the OP.

"At least you held back in the OP which is novel of you. LOL!"

[LeftCoast]

40. Nothing I haven't seen from other folks who couldn't understand why equal rights for us is important

The 'liberal' ones are a bit worse in some respects though because you would sort of expect them to get it.

[David Zephyr]

42. Er...I'm one of the "us" that you speak of.

Very liberal and, yes, one of "us".

[LeftCoast]

44. Hmm...then it is even more perplexing that you don't get it

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, McClurkin (sp?) and a couple of other comments by Obama helped to make Clinton my choice. If you look at their records, it's clear that they are both relatively similar in terms of policy toward GLBTs but one of the candidates embraces us, while the other not so much.

I'm not going to hold it against you if you still support Obama, I can see clear reasons why any Dem might want to support him, but to imply or say outright that many of us are just hyping this issue for points is disingenuous and fairly insulting to people like me. Hope you can understand that.

[David Zephyr]

37. Seriously, I commend you. It took you until post #13 to work in your McClurkin angle.

You really are getting better at it. What news story will you use to work it in tomorrow? Don't tell me. I enjoy watching for it.

[Bluebear]

38. Seriously, you're going back on ignore so feel free to post back or STFU, I couldn't care less.

Assclown.

[cboy4]

59. David, why can't you calm down? It know it's very frustrating

that you're so heavily outnumbered concerning your position on McClurkin.

I know you're mad and you hate us talking about him.

But it's a legitimate issue, whether you want to accept Obama was wrong or not.

You just need to move on, rather than verbally taunt good people like bluebear.

Seriously, I think you're on our side for the most part. You seem like deep down inside, you're a good person. But you're in denial about McClurkin and your behavior regarding this is extremely unbecoming. You know?

[boppers]

41. "the strain of too much politicking."

Say anything, do anything.

Then give us DOMA. DADT.

All of her drama aside, it's pretty sure she's in it for our votes, not our rights.

With Obama, at least I know he's not a total fake. He's uncertain, but he's not lying to us about what he believes in.

[NCarolinawoman]

48. Hillary's top military adviser, General Clark, is against Don't Ask Don't Tell.

If I can remember back to Bill Clinton's first term, it was Powell who threw a big fit and prevented Clinton from getting anything done in regards to this. The military, as a whole, mis-trusted Bill Clinton, and simply didn't like him.

This go-round, Hillary has the most endorsements of retired flag officers--something like 25. I heard Joe Klein, on the Tim Russert show, say that Hillary has the most support in the higher echelons in the ACTIVE DUTY military as well. They don't like MCCain because he wants perpetual war; they don't have much faith in Obama because they see him as too inexperienced--sorry, had to use that word.

Apparently, Hillary has earned the military's respect from her work on the Armed Services Committee, and the many trips she has made to Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of the officers still remember her favorably from when she was first lady and conversations they had with her then. Congressman Joe Sestak, who is a retired Admiral, has spoken about this.

Bottom line--maybe there is still hope in getting rid of DADT.

[JoFerret]

54. Stick with your Bush/Cheney/ McCain

"Stay the course"

[boppers]

57. ITYM

Bush/Cheney/McCain/Clinton

"Stay the Course". After all, Hillary's been equating herself with McCain lately.

[Nutmegger]

43. R&K

Thank you.

:kick:

[terrya]

49. And the Obama campaign wonders why Hillary gets so much of the GLBT vote.

Here's the reason right here. Barack Obama couldn't be bothered to speak to the Stonewall Democrats in Houston. There you go. Just place a goddamned ad in some GLBT newspapers and that's all you need to do, apparently.

[terrya]

56. This needs to be kicked.

[Frank Booth]

58. Ending "Don't ask, don't tell"

Good luck with that. Please let me know how it turns out.

I'm sure we can expect great things from Hillary on this front after all her husband did to try to end this horrible policy.