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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:42 PM
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The idea that crazy delegate allocation rules can negate the will of the voters is appalling.
If the crazy system that was set up in Texas ends up giving Obama a greater representation than Clinton despite the fact that she won by nearly 100,000 votes, that is a travesty of democracy. The same is true for the fact that Alabama was nearly tied in delegate count despite Obama winning the state by a full 14 points. These arcane and ridiculous delegate allocation rules thwart the will of the voters in our primary processes. I find them nothing short of disgusting. A state's delegation should reflect the will of the voters in that state, not be distorted by some labyrinthine delegate allocation scheme.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:43 PM
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1. yah, horrible to allocate more delegates to reliable democrats
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 10:59 PM by meow mix
admit it, you got out maneuvered and obama is a genius
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:44 PM
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4. What do you mean "reliable Democrats"?
In Alabama it cut against you. Also, spell "genius" right.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:04 PM
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19. found another typo ty lol
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 11:04 PM by meow mix
i mean reliable, as in proven to vote democrat in previous elections. if a district voted bush they dont get as many..
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:44 PM
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2. The rules are created by the state parties, who are probably closer to the issues in their states
than the rest of us.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:45 PM
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7. I call bullshit. All voters are equal.
Or did we forget our core Democratic principles in the heat of the primary?
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:46 PM
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11. Including Republicans voting in Democratic primaries?
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:47 PM
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13. A lot of people put a lot of time and work into the rule, and surely considered the same issues.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:44 PM
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3. It's called the Texas two-step for a reason. Hillary lost. Deal with it.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:44 PM
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5. How very Republican of you. In Missouri and Alabma it cut the other way.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:39 AM
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24. I will take your word for it and cede to you that Obama wins Texas
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:45 PM
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6. Tell it to the electorate college
Oh, wait. They don't go by popular vote either.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:46 PM
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9. I hate the electoral college with a passion. Just because it exists doesn't mean it is right.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:49 PM
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14. I don't like it either
It really does subvert the will of the voters.
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:50 PM
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15. That's hillarious seeing how you are from WI
If they abolished the electoral college, WI would never see a wiff of the candidates apart from the television ads. As it is, they probably visit Wisconsin, a swing state, 20 times a cycle. States like WI are the reason that it is so hard to abolish the electoral college.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:26 PM
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21. Eh, it's no worse than the Senate
I'm not against the college per se (small states maybe shouldn't get run over by big states constantly), but I don't like how most states make it winner-take-all.

Incidentally, the states aren't even required to let you vote on your Electors; they simply have to be appointed in a manner prescribed by the state legislature (or Congress, in the case of DC).
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:27 PM
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22. The EC at least has the moral legitimacy of the Constitution to back it up.
These delegate allocation rules are just the bright ideas of some state party chairmen.
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:45 PM
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8. Too damn bad
Can't change the rules in the middle of the game.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:46 PM
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10. I am saying the rules are B.S. and undemocratic. I never said I want to change them.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:47 PM
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12. You should have said this before the fact not after the fact
Sorry but Obama has won Texas!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:56 PM
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16. I find it appalling that someone without a mandate could take it without careful consideration.
And it is a fact that neither Obama or Hillary will have a mandate going into the DNC.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:03 PM
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17. So you probably believe superdelegates should follow the
popular vote as well?
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:03 PM
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18. Rules
And what have you done to change these "disgusting" rules? Or are you just another Clinton fan who never bothered to learn the rules until they negatively impacted on your candidate? Somehow I doubt you would be whining if these rules benefitted Hillary.
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:23 PM
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20. Since when have we lived in a Democracy?
We have representational government in this country, and last I checked, the duly elected officials in Texas created their wacky process. As far as I know, Texans like it.

You don't like it? Move to Texas and work to change it. Anything else is just vapour.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:28 PM
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23. Blame Texas, not anyone here.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:13 AM
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25. It never got this far before Texas been flawed for a long time folks been telling Dems for a while.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:25 AM by barack the house
Many things in the system are a travesty but that will take reform at a later point and can only be done in Texas. Let's be fair here, taking it to the superdelegates is 1000 percent undemocratic as their vote is 10000 votes each even if they vote fair it's wrong most have exited on points to avoid it. It is mass disenfranchisement. Texas is wrong BUT there is the option for all voters to vote twice to reinforce the first. HRC should of covered this tith voters and even if Texas wenther way will never regain the lead even thowingin FL and MI sorry. Howard Dean (an honest man )says the superdeleages will vote with the delegate winner.
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