have they finished counting the tx caucus yet? n/t

[ORDagnabbit]

[maddiejoan]

1. They don't finish until June

[ristruck]

2. Humor

You should keep your day job!! lol

[maddiejoan]

4. I wasn't joking, darlin'

Texas doesn't seat it's delegates until June.

[ristruck]

5. Seating is one thing....

Do we not get the results before then?

[blogslut]

8. Correct

But there will be an initial number of precinct delegates, allocated in proportion to each candidate. The precinct delegate results must be delivered no later than three days after the precinct caucus.

These precinct delegates attend the county caucus on March 29. At county, they will hold elections - paring them down into a smaller number of county delegates. Those county delegates will then go to state the convention in June. At state, they will vote for the final, resultant number of national convention delegates: 67

[JackORoses]

7. So are you of the opinion that none of the Caucus delegates from any state count yet?

You are mistaken. Even though they haven't gone through the whole process.
The totals are known and remain relatively static.

Don't use this bullshit argument. It makes you seem unintelligent.

[maddiejoan]

9. I wasn't aware I was making an argument.

I believed I was just answering the OPs question.

:shrug:

[JackORoses]

12. well most caucus states go through the same process of choosing National delegates

so based on how you view Texas, it seems you would apply this to all Caucus states.

Only problem is that everybody else can determine the counts now, and they give Texas to Obama.
Sorry, she came close.

[maddiejoan]

13. She won.

:shrug:

[JackORoses]

14. Do you accept Texas is a two part contest?

Both parts determine the winner.
Obama won more delegates.
Obama won the state.

Didn't you hear Bill say how he would hate for Hillary to win the day only to get it taken away at night?
That is exactly what happened.

[maddiejoan]

15. Texas is a three part contest actually

and Hillary won it.

Won it where it will count.

I'm sorry to break that to you.

[thevoiceofreason]

20. That wa syour first nonsensical statement, unless you count PLEO's as a "part"

[maddiejoan]

22. I'd suggest you do more research

Clearly you don't understand Texas rules.

[JackORoses]

30. what are you talking about?

PrimaCaucus

That's 2 things.

Hillary led Popular Vote but Obama prevailed.

If you consider public perception the 3rd part, then you are sadly mistaken.

It is Superdelegate perception that matters, and these people know the difference between a perceived victory and an actual victory.
Sorry to break that to you.

[maddiejoan]

37. Do some research please

and no --I'm not saying perception is a third part.


sheeesh.

[kwenu]

18. She won the election. Obama is ahead in the caucus.

Obama will likely net more Texas delegates despite Hillary's "Victory."

[thevoiceofreason]

19. She won the popular vote

Barack is projected to win the total non-PLEO delegate count from Texas.

Especially if, as I noted elsewhere, there is very little defection (defection is rare in Texas conventions in a two-candidate contested race).

[CoffeeCat]

25. I am really astounded...

...that intelligent people are falling for Clinton reality.

Texas is a two-part process. Both parts of this process, added together, equal the Texas outcome.

Primary + Caucus = Texas results

I am really bothered by the media going along with declaring a winner in Texas, before the
final results were in. It boggles the mind.

Clinton told them she ordered confetti and planned a huge party, so I guess the media felt
compelled to go along, and ignore that a major portion of the Texas votes had not been
counted yet.

I really hope that people think for themselves and understand the reality of Texas, instead
of defining reality by spin.

I'm scared for people who don't get this!

[maddiejoan]

26. I'm astounded that you don't get

that she won.

Am I offering a simplistic view of this?

Yup. I am.

She won. In the battle for perception --she won. It's what she needed to do in Texas --and she did it.

[CoffeeCat]

27. She didn't win....

...and that's the point.

The Texas primary process is still underway. The votes have not all
been tabulated yet.

That is a fact.

You're right...you can spin reality in whatever direction you like. That doesn't mean
she won.

When the Texas caucus returns come in--and the numbers are tallied--we'll see Obama with more
delegates in Texas. The media will pay a great deal of attention to this, and Obama will be
declared the winner of Texas.

So really...she won't win the "battle for perception". She will have lost Texas and she will
look foolish for declaring herself the winner.

In effect, her wins will be marred by Obama taking Texas. By trying to win the perception
game in the short run, she'll lose in the long run.

Obama is ahead in the TX caucus 55-44 with 38 percent reporting.

[maddiejoan]

28. Hillary Clinton won Texas

[kwenu]

29. Wow. You have tough time dealing with reality don't you Maddie?

[CoffeeCat]

34. Wow. Just wow!

Math trumps perception.

Watch the news during the next couple of days, after the final Texas results
are announced.

It's going to be interesting, that's for sure!

:)

[maddiejoan]

36. Clinton will enter the convention

with the higher popular vote and the higher Democratic Party vote.

right now the "delegate math' doesn't help either candidate --and 100 delegate advantage isn't going to be the tipping point you believe it will be.

It'll be a brokered convention and Hillary will close the deal.

[CoffeeCat]

38. Obama is ahead in popular votes AND delegates

Obama has also won more states.

Can you tell me why you think Clinton is ahead in popular vote totals?

Everything I've seen, shows Obama far ahead in popular vote totals. Even
with MI and FL counted, he's still ahead of Clinton in the popular vote.

Link to popular vote totals:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:58h2CCrpLS4J:www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html+Democratic+popular+vote&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[thevoiceofreason]

11. I agree with you on this, Maddie

Big thing this time, which breaks from past times, is the delegates from each have been fully briefed and prepared to go all the way to state. In the past, we've seen lots of candidates who did well in the primary caucus whose folks disappeared before state senate conventions, costing their candidates votes. I believe that this time, with (1) only 2 candidates and (2) both candidates' supporters being ready and able to go all the way through, the primary convention delegate splits, as adjusted for the strengths of the various senate districts, will hold through.

In the past, we have seen 3 candidate races (Jackson, Mondale & Hart) where some viability issues arose and some trading and trickery took place. This time, with only 2, I don't see that happening.

Net net: You are correct that the delegates are not determined until June, but it appears (for now) that because there will be very little drop-off from the apportionment unless there is some sea change between now and March 29 (also, as you know, there is rarely much drop-off because of defections between the senate convention and the state convention).

[Altair]

3. Apparently they have better things to do

[rocktivity]

6. According to CNN.com

They've counted 40% as of 8PM EST. Obama leads 56-44. So it could very well take until June!

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[TAWS]

10. What do they need to count? Don't they just need to add the numbers from the precient totals?

[kwenu]

21. Basically you're right. They have to calculate the delgates using a pre-set formula.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

16. Serious Answer: The missing 60% will not be reported until June. (Link)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181717.php

[kwenu]

17. All TX delegate counts are due within 3 days. We'll know the full outcome soon.

[DrFunkenstein]

23. The Slow Eating Away At Clinton's Tiny Lead Will End Her Victory Dance

She barely walked away with delegates last night as it was. Exit polls say the caucus turnout overwhelmingly favored Obama, who knows how to run a real grassroots campaign from the bottom up. She'll be lucky to win a handful of delegates and time is growing short.

[Skip Intro]

24. And we'll all fill our Hope balloons and head toward the sun called Obama.

Yep, Obama narrowly winning the caucuses, if he wins, will be the big headline any day now.

[kwenu]

31. YES!!!! IT WILL!

[DrFunkenstein]

33. Like Clinton Narrowly Winning The Texas Primary When She Needed a Blowout?

If she wins every contest 60% to 40% - and wins big ole' Pennsylvania by 64% - she still loses to Obama. That will make the news cycle sooner or later.

[kwenu]

35. Which is why I'm still trying to understand the mindset of some of these Hillary supporters.

[barack the house]

32. We love you Texas especially if you vote our nomnee this November. In your own time TX.