As I go, so goes Pennsylvania

[flowomo]

There you go.

I am still undecided between Obama and Clinton and have been since the field was narrowed to those two -- having been an Edwards supporter previously (though all the online "tests" told me that Dennis Kucinich and Al Sharpton were my political soulmates).

After reading thousands of posts here in GDP (the stupid ones and the thoughtful ones), reading endless pages of newspapers and blogs, watching hundreds of hours of TV talking heads, and after reflecting on all that, my firm conclusion right now is that the cases for Clinton and Obama are a perfect tie. I can make a terrific list of arguments for and against both -- and will happily vote for either (or both) in November.

My decision standard for choosing between them is simple: Who can win the general election? Period, that's it, that's all that matters. How he or she gets into the final round, or how he or she wins in November -- just doesn't matter. I will vote in the primary for the one I think can beat John McCain in the general.

And right now, I see no way to choose. And I don't have to choose until I hold a ballot in my hand on April 22.

Until then, I will continue to read and listen and evaluate.

But mark my words -- As I go, so goes Pennsylvania.

[Muttocracy]

1. as to electability, another discussion over here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4918936

[flowomo]

2. Thanks... and that's very interesting....

but what one Republican says in a bar is.... well, what one Republican says in a bar. This other Republican in this other bar over here says.....

[Muttocracy]

6. yep, that's why I posted links to the polls

though what one really needs is poll results of McCain vs. Clinton and McCain vs. Obama per state. Maybe the campaigns or somebody should invest some dough in that. Or at least in the purple states.

[spag68]

20. Polls

are crap anyway, work hard and give honest support to Dem. candidates, that's the best any of us can do.

[Muttocracy]

22. I just meant a poll is more meaningful than just an anecdote

Each of them has its own merits, just like any statistics.

[Tarc]

4. McCain now trails both

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080306/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc

[RiverStone]

3. Best wishes with your choice!

Too bad your state is so late in the process - they really need to alternate the order to be fair to all the states.

And one bit of perspective, Obama already has the pledged delegates locked up. An Obama nomination would be far more harmonious for the party; Hillary can only win now if Super Delegates over-ride the will of pledged delegates. That equals very ugly. Let me know if you want more on this....

And I like Hillary - just don't like her tactics.


peace~:)

[flowomo]

5. thanks, I'm very familiar with the delegate/superdelegate debate...

and it's a tie in my mind. And yes, Hillary's tactics are a consideration, and entered on the decision ledger -- both for the effect they are having on the primary, and the effect they might have on McCain.

[Hoof Hearted]

11. Alternating the order of the states is a very interesting idea.

I don't know what the whole answer is, but what we had this year is effed up. I don't like caucuses because they are hard on the elderly and the poor and we're supposed to be the party that takes care of those folks. I've been poor, as in full blown poverty with hunger, and hopefully someday I'll be elderly. I also totally dislike open primaries. Let Democrats decide the Democratic nominee and let the Republicans and Independents vote for us in November.

I'm hoping for a unity ticket, and while I obviously want Clinton's name on the top, I'll be happy either way.

[RiverStone]

14. I like everything you said...

And we only differ where I want Obama's name on the top. A unity ticket would rock, and I'd be surprised if they pulled off an agreement. Either looks like they can beat McCain - ideally, rested and ready after a break before the convention. Will they get a break???

peace~:)

[Hoof Hearted]

18. A unity ticket would mean pure, unstoppable energy. It would MORE than rock.

Let's hope they both have sane, pragmatic people reminding them both what they could have together.

[LiberalAndProud]

7. Choose well, flowmo.

I'm with you. That is to say, no preference. Let us know what you decide.

[msallied]

8. If you're a Kucinich fan

Then I would beware the right-wing aiding and abetting tactics of the Clinton cabal.

[Barack_America]

9. As white males in the south and midwest go...so goes the nation.

And white males in the south and midwest (particularly) have supported Obama.

I live in PA and I'm happy to suddenly be so important...but I cannot deny the fact that group will flock to McCain over Hillary.

[flowomo]

10. I live in central PA....

redder than a ripe tomato. McCain will do very well here.

[frogcycle]

17. midwest white male here

voted proudly for Obama for senator in '04; don't like either one of them for Pres.;
voted for Clinton's delegates in the primary.


Know what that means?


not a damned thing.


tea leaves and crystal balls and polls - all crap.

[anigbrowl]

12. This 2004 Kucinich campaigner supports Obama

I don't want to write screeds of argument - the candidates will define themselves better for Pennsylvanians over the coming weeks. But having been studying US elections since 1980 I regard Obama as the most electable democrat by a mile. Do book mark the thread and let us know how it's turned out for you, I'm interested in your views on both candidates as the primary season moves on.

[JimGinPA]

13. I Live In PA Too...

As it stands now Hillary will probably win the primary by a narrow margin without gaining many delegates. I'm going to vote for Obama, but I wouldn't presume to tell you anything other than vote your conscience.

[mmonk]

15. Why Pennsylvania? Relatives there?

[flowomo]

16. are you asking why I live here?

Originally from Massachusetts, long-time Mainer -- moved here because of my wife's job in 1980. The only relatives I have here are my wife and the two we spawned.

[better tomorrow]

19. I lived in PA and now live in FL

actually, Northwest PA and now Northeast FL....

But, let me tell you...the issues are different in both places. In PA, I see economy as a problem. Not so here in N FL where jobs are plentiful and growth has been phenomenal.

We are fully integrated with the illegals and immigration isn't as much of an issue as they are the ones doing the dirty jobs no one else here will do. My neighbors are Hispanics, Vietnamese, Colombians, and transplanted Marylanders. BTW, it isn't a ghetto, it is a moderate neighborhood with a Homeowners Association and are more friendly than my old neighbors in PA.

We are an urban military town but have not sufferred as many casualties as rural areas.

My area went for George W. Bush in the last two elections although I voted for Gore and Kerry.

So, my advice to you is to look at both candidates and see which one is less likely to follow the global plan for world domination by the secret shadow government. Unfortunately, Hillary's ties say she is higher on that totem pole than Bush is.....good luck making your choice, though, as they will only tell you what you want to hear up there which will be against NAFTA since there is no TEXAS this time around and they don't have to be careful. But, will it be the truth by BOTH of them?

[Eurobabe]

21. Many of my relatives and friends have chosen Obama

they want real change, and less of the same old politics. Good luck with your decision. :hi: