Can somebody tell me this about the Florida primaries?

[better tomorrow]

What is the Florida primary scheduled for August 28th on my local County voter information website? If there is a primary scheduled already, then why can't they "revote" or "redo" the Presidential one on that same date? I know it is late, but what is that primary all about anyway?

[madfloridian]

1. Here is the final DNC response...played on Countdown tonight.

The one Olbermann showed. Then he and Chuck Todd shared a snicker about the word "rules". Like they were unimportant. I was angered at that.

We're glad to hear that the Governors of Michigan and Florida are willing to lend their weight to help resolve this issue. As we've said all along, we strongly encourage the Michigan and Florida state parties to follow the rules, so today's public overtures are good news. The rules, which were agreed to by the full DNC including representatives from Florida and Michigan over 18 months ago, allow for two options. First, either state can choose to resubmit a plan and run a party process to select delegates to the convention; second, they can wait until this summer and appeal to the Convention Credentials Committee, which determines and resolves any outstanding questions about the seating of delegates.We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time. The Democratic Nominee will be determined in accordance with party rules, and out of respect for the presidential campaigns and the states that did not violate party rules, we are not going to change the rules in the middle of the game.

"Through all the speculation, we should also remember the overwhelming enthusiasm and turnout that we have already seen, and respect the voters of the ten states who have yet to have their say.

"As we head towards November, our nominee must have the united support of a strong Democratic Party that's ready to fight and ready to beat John McCain. After seven years of Republican rule, I am confident that we will elect a Democratic president who will fight for America's families in the White House. Now we must hear from the voters in twelve states and territories who have yet to make their voices heard."

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/dnc_encouraging_florida_and_mi.php

[Birthmark]

5. Then here is my final response to the DNC

Undermining the integrity of our voting rights for party rules is wrong. Using the Democrats of Florida as bargaining chips in your dispute with State Party leaders is wrong. Therefore, I regret to inform you that I will not be able to support your slate of candidates in November. I have already voted, thank you very much.

In the event you (the DNC) arrive at another "final response" then I will be happy to amend my "final response."

[madfloridian]

7. It was the Florida leaders who broke the rules.

From instigator to victim. It was a Dem who introduced the early primary bill in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1829

How it began last August....how Florida Democrats began their propaganda war
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

Think I exaggerate about Florida's attitude? Here's a county chairperson's rant against Dean.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1827

Enough of this. Florida Democrats now threaten Dean and the DNC with a "voting rights probe".
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1453

The "appropriate legal official" to "investigate" Dean and the DNC...is...Gonzales.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1452

Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1455

Two summaries of the DNC committee ruling about Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1456

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance." From March.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

The latest Florida propaganda tactic here about attacking the DNC...local email.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1460

Florida's Geller joked about his amendment: "sarcasm and audible laughter in chamber"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

One Florida county is saying there will be further bloodshed. Much argument here today.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1462

Florida Democratic Party website building anger toward the DNC
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1465

Democratic activist sues over loss of Florida delegates
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1466

"Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone call
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1467

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1468

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had to get your attention
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

Bill Nelson today: "DNC penalties unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1479

Carl Levin and Terry McAuliffe made a deal about primaries in 2004.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481

Pelosi says it is not Florida's fault at all. So if the speaker says it I must be wrong.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1567

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

Details on how Florida worked with the GOP to set the early primary date.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get near Boston.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

Nelson and Levin of Michigan file the bill today. It's getting deeper
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1741

My postings about the heartbreak of the Florida primary fiasco.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1607

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1608

Senate leader ponders suing 'rogue states' over primary
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1527

[Birthmark]

11. Weird. I'm not on that list anywhere.

But if those listed have action taken against them by the DNC, I will support it.

Taking action against me and 1.7 million other innocent Floridians is disproportionate, unfair, and unAmerican.

I don't take disenfranchisement lightly.

[madfloridian]

16. What ARE you talking about?

The Florida Democrats were warned, they knowingly broke the rules. It was meant to confront Dean's authority. They lost.

Good for Dean, and I am once again ashamed of Florida.

Your post almost sounds threatening.

[Birthmark]

20. What are YOU talking about?

What is this, Old Testament Justice? The Florida Party leaders break the rules, so Dean takes out everyone in a 300 mile radius? Even God limited himself to about fifty miles!

Dean is disenfranchising over 1.7 million people who had nothing to do with anything. You SHOULD be ashamed of that.

[madfloridian]

24. Dean did not do it. That is just a lie.

From instigator to victim. It was a Dem who introduced the early primary bill in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1829

How it began last August....how Florida Democrats began their propaganda war
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

Think I exaggerate about Florida's attitude? Here's a county chairperson's rant against Dean.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1827

Enough of this. Florida Democrats now threaten Dean and the DNC with a "voting rights probe".
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1453

The "appropriate legal official" to "investigate" Dean and the DNC...is...Gonzales.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1452

Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1455

Two summaries of the DNC committee ruling about Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1456

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance." From March.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

The latest Florida propaganda tactic here about attacking the DNC...local email.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1460

Florida's Geller joked about his amendment: "sarcasm and audible laughter in chamber"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

One Florida county is saying there will be further bloodshed. Much argument here today.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1462

Florida Democratic Party website building anger toward the DNC
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1465

Democratic activist sues over loss of Florida delegates
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1466

"Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone call
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1467

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1468

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had to get your attention
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

Bill Nelson today: "DNC penalties unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1479

Carl Levin and Terry McAuliffe made a deal about primaries in 2004.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481

Pelosi says it is not Florida's fault at all. So if the speaker says it I must be wrong.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1567

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

Details on how Florida worked with the GOP to set the early primary date.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get near Boston.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

Nelson and Levin of Michigan file the bill today. It's getting deeper
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1741

My postings about the heartbreak of the Florida primary fiasco.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1607

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1608

Senate leader ponders suing 'rogue states' over primary
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1527

[Birthmark]

30. Nope. You are rationalizing Dean's actions.

Sorry, but the DNC made the call to disenfranchise me. The State Party leaders broke the rules, but it doesn't logically follow that Floridians MUST be disenfranchised. There are surely other sanctions that could be levied. But apparently the DNC thinks so little of Floridians, that they feel they can just disenfranchise us.

It will come back to haunt the DNC and the candidate in November. It's not too late for them to do the right thing, though.

[HooptieWagon]

27. It was a committee decision, Clinton's Ickes was even on the committee

[Birthmark]

34. Fine. Punish them.

I'm not on the Committee. Never have been and am extremely unlikely ever to be on the Committee. Disenfranchising me only makes me angry at the DNC, too. Had the DNC taken on the perps rather than the people of FL, I'd be on the DNC's side. Instead, the DNC opened another front. Now, I'm not for anyone in this squabble.

Smooth move, Dr. Dean.

[better tomorrow]

29. Dean threw it back to....

the Governors, so if there is disenfranchisement, they are the ones responsible.......

[Birthmark]

35. Wrong.

It is the DNC that decides this thing, not the Governor, State Legislature, or anyone else. Disenfranchising 1.7 million Floridians was entirely at the discretion of the DNC. Entirely.

[better tomorrow]

37. Maybe in the beginning but....

today they said that Dean had given it back to the Governors which is why they are meeting tonight.

[Birthmark]

43. Doesn't make a scrap of difference

The governors can't disenfranchise me. Dean has.

[madfloridian]

39. Everyone has rules they must follow. You are just being silly.

The whole country has rules. Everyone has bosses.

[Birthmark]

44. You're whining.

You know as well as I do that I broke no rules. Penalizing FL voters is illogical, unfair, and stupid.

Penalizing those that broke the rule is appropriate, however.

[HooptieWagon]

25. mad, you've done a wonderful job

but there are some who are just too stubborn and refuse to look at the evidence objectively. In those cases, you're just pissing against the wind. Still, great job educating those people who are willing to learn.

[madfloridian]

31. Here's why they don't want to know.

Because it is probably..shhhh an orchestrated effort. Yeh, that happens.

I am tired though, and they know it...someone else will have to take over .

[Birthmark]

36. Here's what you don't know apparently

Disenfranchising the helpless for the actions of the Leadership is wrong. Period. Babbling about who orchestrated what is all misdirection. My wife was disenfranchised for something that she had nothing to with. If you don't see that that's wrong, then you don't understand the core values upon which this nation is based.

[better tomorrow]

38. disenfranchising or gerrymandering....

same difference....in my book. I was just gerrymandered again this year.

[Birthmark]

45. Disenfranchising is very different from gerrymandering.

Your vote still gets counted in gerrymandered districts.

When one is disenfranchised, their vote doesn't count at all.

[madfloridian]

40. That is just not making sense now.

Good by.

[better tomorrow]

41. wait, I'm with ya Mad...

just bringing up the fact that gerrymandering, which is devising lines to define precincts as to how people in general vote in them, takes place all too often, esp. in Florida, and to me that is disenfranchising one by putting them in a voting precinct where they know their neighbors will outvote them. I used to be in a black precinct and suddenly I am thrust into a George Bush precinct with older white voters. Anyway, night.

[madfloridian]

42. I know...the good-by was to the other poster.

Now I can't see what is being said. Better that way.

:hi:

[Birthmark]

46. Of course it makes sense.

You just don't have a valid reason left to hold the position you hold. How can you? Disenfranchising people who have done no wrong is indefensible. Never thought I'd see the day when Democrats would support such antics. Hell, even the Republicans could only bring themselves to do it halfway.

[better tomorrow]

22. not to change the subject but...

I saw that segment, too. I think they were snickering because Hillary wanted to "change the rules" and have them seated and they were both trying to get the point across that you don't change "rules" in the middle of the game and since the word was used so much in that quote they were just pointing out through facial gestures that Florida might have one pulled over their eyes. But, I still question.....why the primary during the convention?

Madfloridian, can't you just wait for Florida to be so involved again? Finally makes us feel important, huh?

[madfloridian]

28. The primary will have to be before the convention, before June I think.

I think a lot more will be voting for Obama...after all it is over a 6 weeks later. Early voting started in December, and the margin was narrowing up until primary day.

I think Obama will win if there is another. That's why the leaders are saying no. They are Hillary superdelegates.

[better tomorrow]

32. yeah....I'm joining the Dem party tomorrow

just to vote for Obama if there is a redo since as an Independent I couldn't vote back in January. Will stay that way through December, then switch back. Call it a Republican trick I picked up and I don't even listen to Limbaugh....

[Birthmark]

2. It is probably a local primary

And the answer to your question is that your county isn't the State of Florida.

[better tomorrow]

6. not a local primary according to the state of Florida's website...

see this info from the page...




2008 Election Dates
Presidential Preference Primary : January 29, 2008
Primary Election: August 26, 2008
General Election: November 4, 2008


2008 Qualifying Dates
Federal , Judicial , State Attorney & Public Defender Candidates (including write-ins)
Noon, April 28, 2008 – Noon, May 2, 2008

Statewide, Multicounty (except State Attorney & Public Defender), County, and Special District Candidates (including write-ins)
Noon, June 16, 2008 – Noon June 20, 2008

Write-in candidates for President and Vice President
8 a.m., July 1, 2008 – Noon, July 8, 2008

2008 Registration Book Closing Dates:
Presidential Preference Primary : December 31, 2007
Primary Election: July 28, 2008
General Election: October 6, 2008

[Birthmark]

12. Ah,

Your OP said the 28th of August. Yes, there is a statewide on the 26th, but the Convention will be going on at that point, so it is impossible to hold the Presidential Primary then.

[better tomorrow]

15. yeah, the date was wrong.....abd I corrected myself....

but, then, what primary would it be? Don't you think it is strange that they would schedule a primary during this time anyway?

[Birthmark]

21. No problem. It's late.

I read it as August 62 at first. lol

That primary is for all the state and local offices. If it didn't occur during the Convention, then yeah, all the machinery would be in place to hold a re-vote.

[better tomorrow]

3. thanks, but....

on my county information page, it clearly says that there is a PRIMARY scheduled for August 28th. Is this some other Primary and even so, if it is, then why can't they revote on that same date?

There are three dates for voting in 2008. One was January 29th, one is August 28th, and the third is the general election. If so, what is the one on the 28th?

BTW, I'm registered as an Independent and couldn't express myself in January but am going to change party affiliation tomorrow just so I can vote in the revote if there is one since we are a closed primary. Anything for Obama.

[seabeyond]

9. i believe 28 would put convention awfully late. kerry had pushed it late and that was like july

i think. bush went sept which was against rules/law and got away with it.

[JBoris]

4. I think Aug 28th is the last day of the Democratic national convention

...it wouldn't make much sense to hold a primary then.

[better tomorrow]

8. whoops, the date is the 26th, not the 28th which is before the convention

sorry, I had the date wrong. Two days before the end then?

[seabeyond]

10. i didnt realize the convention was so late in august. n/t

[better tomorrow]

13. here are the dates for the convention from Wikipedia

The 2008 Democratic National Convention is scheduled for August 25-28 in Denver, Colorado.

[seabeyond]

17. that isnt too far for me. that would be fun. i like denver. bet it would be a mess, BUT

i know someone who lives there and i can stay at her house. lol

thanks for hte dates.

[HooptieWagon]

14. Must be local

We don't have one in my area

[better tomorrow]

18. can't be local....

the info I posted was from the state page....

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/online/elecdate.shtml

[HooptieWagon]

19. Correction

It must be a primary for other local, state, and federal offices.

[better tomorrow]

26. which brings me to my original question....

does anyone know for sure?

[BzaDem]

23. Hmm. Maybe that primary can be made earlier (i.e. in June) and Clinton/Obama can be on the ballot.

[HooptieWagon]

33. Possible, but

That might affect deadlines for filings, signatures to qualify, etc. maybe it would work, maybe not.