Mississippi will wipe out Clinton's gains on Tuesday: African-Americans account for 56% of the vote

[TAWS]

Obama will get at least 66% of the vote. He should net 10 delegates, enough to wipe out Clinton's gains on Tuesday.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/MS/index.html

[Colobo]

1. 66%? I'd say 75% minimum.

[MadBadger]

5. Nah, his white vote well probably be in the mid to upper 30's.

Hell be around 66%.

[democrattotheend]

16. He broke 40% in Texas

Close to 45, I think. And that was on a pretty bad night.

It depends how the media narrative goes the next few days. I'd love to see him get 40% of the white vote, but that might be unrealistic.

[MadBadger]

There a decent amount of liberal in Texas, especially in Austin

Mississippi is the deep South. I exepct to see a racial split that is closer to 65-35 in the white vote and 90-10 in the black vote.

[Leopolds Ghost]

59. With 50-60% of Rural White D/I/Rs in Texas voting Clinton over the black man

Either because they hate Obama more than Clinton or feel she's easier to beat. These people (a) HATE HATE HATE Hillary and (b) are by and large even more racist than parts of the old south and (c) are scared by Hillary's 3 am phone call and a black man is trying to break into the White house ad. There was some skulduggery goin' on in rural Texas and rural parts of the South, just look at the rural-urban distribution in various states north vs. south (with Ohio following the Southern, "I like Obama and hate Hillary but he's a black muslim and we can't have that, and besides I'm a Dem, but I like McCain and want him to kick Hillary's ass in the fall" pattern.)

[ihelpu2see]

73. She only gained 3 or 4 delegates... I hope he will substantially add to his lead Saturday and Tues.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. It doesn't matter - Hillary's not giving up. She needs to be told to just go away!

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[MadBadger]

3. And you cant win the white house without those black people

Which Hillary may be in jeopardy of trying to do.

[goclark]

10. We will do everything within our power to see that she

does not win.

She has insulted and slimed our Barack one too many times.

It would be poetic justice to see her get set back by the very people that put her and kept her in the WH for 8 too long years.

Now my people are saying, "Fool us once but never again."

I will make calls from California and make sure my Brothers and Sisters come to the polls.

[DemBones DemBones]

20. So you want a race war?

Your user name is goclark -- did you know Gen. Wesley Clark supports Senator Clinton?

[woolldog]

52. race war?

wtf are you talking about? how does not voting for Clinton = race war?! :rofl:

[Adelante]

111. It's THEM

The "overexcited black people" :scared:

[Renew Deal]

91. Clark and his supporters that went to Hillary are hypocrites

They stand for the exact opposite of what we stood for in 2004.

[goclark]

93. Bingo!

[Adelante]

112. I'm not going to call my fellow Clarkies names

And I certainly would not call General Clark a hypocrite. He does as he thinks best; therefore, he is not a hypocrite.

But I do feel I am standing for what we all stood for in 2004, Bleach, very much so.

[goclark]

92. sure did and love Wesley Clark

However ~ my name is CLARK and I like my name, therefore goclark!

[Cha]

45. Thanks, goclark!

Here's to Poetic Justice!

[ariesgem]

62. You got that right.

Harold Ickes put out a statement last month saying that we (black folks) would "come around" to Hillary if she wins the nomination.

These folks running Hillaryland are CLUELESS about the damaged they've caused.

From Roland Martins blog entry at Essence Magazine (for folks who don't know, it's a magazine for black women) -

Question of the Day:

If Obama leads Clinton among pledged delegates, but hasn't received the 2,025, and the superdelegates put Clinton over the top, will you support her in November?

snip.....

Harold Ickes is a no-holds-barred campaign official who will do anything for his candidate to win the Democratic nomination.

And if Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are close in delegates, he says he will push hard for superdelegates to choose the former First Lady, even if Obama is leading her in pledged delegates.

In a story by Roger Simon on Politico.com, Ickes is asked if such a plan of action will lead to a fractured Democratic Party, especially among African Americans, and he basically says, "No big deal."

“There will be some hurt feelings initially,” Ickes said. “But in a very tight election, Barack Obama will swing in behind Hillary Clinton and black people will vote for her and she will be able to bring in Hispanic voters also.”

Harold, you might think you know black people. But as someone who has a radio show targeting black folks in Chicago (WVON-AM); a blog on a black female website (Essence.com); a commentator for a black cable network (TV One); run three black newspapers (Houston Defender, Dallas Weekly, Chicago Defender); a black website (BlackAmericaWeb.com) been a news editor of a black national magazine (Savoy Magazine); and filed reports for a black radio network (American Urban Radio Networks), I know my people far better than you.

And I can guarantee you that if Sen. Obama is leading among pledged delegates, and the superdelegates throw the election to Sen. Clinton, she can bank on a loss in November.

Why? Her negatives are already at high levels, ranging between 42 and 44 percent. That means that she can ill-afford any slippage in any key demographic.

Clinton can't afford to lose even 3 to 5 percent of black voters, who are the base of the Democratic Party. If she loses that amount, she loses the election.

Black turnout is critical. A disenchanted black electorate could stay at home, thus having the same effect. I've even gotten calls from yellow dog Democrats, many who are still angry with Bill Clinton's references to Rev. Jesse Jackson when Obama won the South Carolina primary, who have said they will vote for McCain before they vote for her.

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/02/top-clinton-off.html


a few of the responses-

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In the words of Sophia in The Color Purple "heeeeeell no"! But, I don't think it will come to that. After March 4th it will be a wrap for her and hopefully she will throw in the towel.

However, if Clinton or anyone thinks that Black people are just going to fall in line they are seriously mistaken. There isn't a chance in hell that the corrupt McCain is getting my vote either though. I strongly believe that it is important to vote, but I will stay home if Obama is not at the top of the ticket!

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Vote for Hillary? Un-uh. Negative. Will not. Shall not. Not gonna happen.

I am disgusted with the Clinton political machine right about now. I will become a McCain-ocrat if she steals this election from Obama. Ooooh! I don't even want to think about the ulcers that anger would create.

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I had this conversation with my mother yesterday after the Clinton campaign released that photo of Obama. That was the last straw for me and if she wins, I will vote for Nader.


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Snowball's chance in hell that she would get our vote! Somehow she thinks that she's the herder and we are her cattle, she says jump we ask how high. I think not. She needs to check herself. We are going forth in a new direction and the country is making that loud and clear.

She's running on a platform of self pity and fear. The American people are tired of it and its time to move on.

With Obama.

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I will never vote for Hillary Clinton, time and time again, she and her camp have shown their true colors. She does not deserve the presidency or the black vote. Well, regardless of what others do she will not get this black woman's vote.

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The responses (about 100+) all equal to HELL NO.

I tend to hang out at more than a few AA political blogs and the consensus among the posters regarding Hillary's attacks on Obama are the same. It will not be forgotten.

[NDambi]

67. Count me as HELL TO THE NAW!!! Hell No, just isn't strong enough!

[goclark]

96. No ~ a thousand times No

:mad:

[NDambi]

66. Count me in with you...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

81. "Our Barack", "My People"? What The Fuck Are You Talking About?

:crazy:

[goclark]

98. Read up thread and you will get what we are talking about,,,

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

104. I Have. There's Nothing There.

"Our Barack"? "My people"? How stupid.

[goclark]

106. Well I see ignore for you ~ eyes wide shut for a purpose

and I know exactly why ~ give Hillary a ring.

She needs you on her Race Relations Reach Out team.

[BumRushDaShow]

107. Don't worry be happy

:nopity:

[Adelante]

110. Kind of like "Our girl" nt

[grrr050]

95. Oh Yeah!

And we will do the same thing to your Barack who had played the race card and blamed it on Hillary. You think Barack will win without the woman's democratic vote. Think again.

[goclark]

99. Go for it ~

Edit to remind you that African American women won the right to vote as well --- that gives us two for one when WE African American women stay home, don't give her a dime or our time.

Think you better stay back on that issue, last I checked WE are women and you are insulting to not realize that fact!

[smalll]

18. No dispute. That's why Obama needs to be the VP choice.

He can STILL have huge rallies as the VP nominee and keep his more narrow base enthused for November.

[MadBadger]

35. By Narrow base to you mean like half of the party?

[theboss]

51. I almost made a 3/5 person joke here but changed my mind

Though, I case by posting the fact that I thought of the joke, the impact is the same.

Whatever.

[anigbrowl]

50. his what?

[IsItJustMe]

84. He will be in the lead and you expect him to be VP. Guess you got to keep them folk in line, right?

:sarcasm:

[goclark]

105. Obama is not a "movie ticket"

Who are you to decide that he should be VP?

Is that like the back of the bus scenario?

She can ride at the front of the bus and he gets to ride in the back as her VP?

Let's play this fair ~ I invite all of you that support Hillary to tell her that her dirty tricks are a two way sword.

You would think that she would know that because we always thought that Billary loved us ~ now we see their true colors and we are hurt and disappointed by that ~ and we will not sit down and just not show her that WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE WILL NOT SUPPORT HER even if she/they apologize for her/their dirty deeds. And hell would freeze over if they did that ~ they are too too Power Hungry.

Why ~ because we will always remember Texas/Ohio/SC and what she did to get RACE into a campaign. What they did was worse than anything I recall when I worked for the Jesse Jackson campaign!

[IsItJustMe]

82. I believe that Hillary's tactics against Obama has already sealed her fate when it comes to the

black vote in this country. And without it, there is no way in hell she could win in November. Welcome to the politics of divisiveness. Take this to the bank.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. Well she's not going to be able to win the WHt without WHITE guys like me either. . . .

and I'm DONE with Hillary for good! Hillary's managed to piss just about everybody off. Nice work.

GObama!!!

[KittyWampus]

4. overexcited black people

:rofl:

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[KittyWampus]

7. you know, I added a LOT of people to ignore last couple of days. Don't like doing it

but it makes things so much easier.

[theboss]

21. How do you suggest we calm down black people?

Saltpeter in their Cream of Wheat is my suggestion.

You know how they love Cream of Wheat.

[anigbrowl]

29. Well first the latte supply needs to be cut off NOW

there's a really funny joke here satirizing racists but it's not funny with real racists in the room :-(

[theboss]

33. When was the last time you saw a black person with a latte?

Their over-excited natures are apparently some type of biological imperative. Have you ever seen Will Smith on Oprah? Scary stuff.

(I can see myself crossing the line at any moment by the way. I may stop this at this post).

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[theboss]

38. Of course, it's a racist comment

That was the point.

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[NDambi]

68. lol..put something in their orange and grape soda ...or maybe the fried chicken

[theboss]

76. How about grape drink?

What the fuck is grape juice? Grape drink! The ingredients are Sugar, Water, and Purple.

[smalll]

24. I should have said "overexcited latte liberals and black people." --

the "overexcited" was directed at BOTH of the relatively slim Obama constituencies. I'll admit it, I guess I gaffed a little there. But I'm no Michelle, I can admit a gaffe.

[anigbrowl]

30. Yeah, I saw your edit. great apology.

NOT.

[theboss]

34. It is a shame that a slim constituency like black people hold such a sway in our primary process

If we could get 20 percent of them and maybe 30 percent of the Jews to become Independents, we would be in much shape.

[MadBadger]

36. WTF?

[theboss]

41. Read the whole thread...I'm mocking the "over-excited black people" post

Honestly, this is not that difficult a concept.

No wonder Andy Kaufman's career fell apart.

[MadBadger]

46. Ok...good. I couldnt pick up on the sarcasm .

[theboss]

47. Well, I was serious about the Jews

Kidding. I'm kidding for God's sake.

[woolldog]

53. sarcasm on the internet is tough

but I got it. :hi:

[anigbrowl]

43. It's satire...see post #2

Though I admit we've beat this particular horse to death by now.

[Leopolds Ghost]

61. Wild-eyed, too. It's 3 Am and a Black Man is trying to break into the White House

That's what the Clinton ad says to me. That's Lee Atwater.

I know what the South is like. I know what that ad is about.

[theboss]

9. Those whacky over-excited Nigras.....

I agree with you. They need to calm down and let sane white people decide this election the way God intended.

[goclark]

11. Perhaps you forgot the sarcasm sign

I hope that is the case.

Not to late to edit your post -- just a thought

[theboss]

15. If people are dumb enough to think I am a Depression-era racist, that's their problem

Sarcasm tags take away all the fun.

[jgraz]

17. No chance that post was meant seriously

But smalll's was, and he said exactly the same thing. :nuke:

[IsItJustMe]

85. Of course it's sarcasm, but then again;

[milkyway]

13. Hillary's campaign whines about open primaries, guess what--in 2004 indies and republicans were 63%

of the electorate. She complains when they make up 10-20% of a primary that it is so unfair to her.

She isn't favored by the broadest spectrum of working and middle class voters--she'll get no crossover votes, and she's alienated a large number of Dems and independents with her gutter tactics.

[goclark]

97. Bingo! gutter

[jgraz]

19. The only reason I'm adding you to my ignore list

Is that DU doesn't offer a Racist Piece of Shit list.

[Cha]

48. Good a reason as any..been

on my Ignore list for weeks and weeks.

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. if it's who i think it is...this poster has been allowed to say the most

outlandish and racist things on this board that I've ever seen. But just goes right on posting. How is that okay? I put he/she on ignore weeks ago as well.

[goclark]

108. Thanks for the heads up

[NDambi]

69. lawd

:rofl: :yourock:

[City Lights]

77. Ditto that.

smalll-minded people suck!

[LostinVA]

89. All I see is "Ignored"

I guess I put them there for good reason.

[Growler]

31. Utter racist fool

There are so many things wrong with your insane babblings. If you think Hillary can win without blacks or true liberals you are a nutjob in addition to being racist slime.

[CitizenLeft]

42. hang on...

"overexcited black people and latte liberals"

???

I suggest you not insult them... er, ME - because neither Hillary Clinton nor any other Democratic nominee can win the White House WITHOUT US.

Good grief.

[cali]

64. "overexcited black people"? Grab a clue:

Hillary can't win without those people that you have such contempt for. And Obama's base is a lot broader and deeper than your characterization of it. Hill, oth, has real problems. Indies will run to McCain.

[Mass]

72. Because black people do not care about economic-issues and are mostly rich?

:shrug:

Or are you saying poor white people are racist? Because, otherwise, I do not see what you are trying to say.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

86. Oh, you're the idiot who also insulted young people:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4753960#4754198

Yes, a lot of us older people ARE saying "get offa my political process" to you youngsters. But one reason, at least for me, is that in just about EVERY other facet of contemporary society, you young people (and your panderers/enablers in the entertainment/advertising industrial complex) rule EVERYTHING. You guys are the reason there's basically nothing to see at the local cineplex. You guys are the reason why women have a hard time buying clothes that aren't just way too small, way too childish and/or way too slutty for grown-ups. You guys rule everything BUT politics.

Please leave politics to us.



Guess I can add "racist" to your resume, too. :eyes:

[democrattotheend]

103. "Please leave politics to us"

If we did that, Bush would have won 2004 in a landslide. The 18-29 age bracket was the only one to go for Kerry.

[IsItJustMe]

87. I think most of us here got your number smalll. Wink, wink. Nod, nod.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

8. Considering the amount of AA's voting and Clinton's insulting of Mississippi

70% to Obama at least.

[nebula]

12. And then she'll be back to square one.

Sad.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

14. Dont forget the Wyoming Caucus

Not only back to square one, but worse than she went in Mar 4. Any gains in PA made by Clinton on April 22 will put her back to square one.

:rofl:

[nebula]

25. I hope she likes surprises

because the fine folks of PA and MS have a couple waiting for her. lol.

[theboss]

54. Over-excited black people in Wyoming should not choose our nominee

I'm pretty sure this was covered in that one song on Devils and Dust by Springsteen.

[Tarheel_Dem]

57. and it looks like NC will have a say in this one too...

We'll finally get to have input into who we want to lead the party. Guess who I'll be voting for? Go ahead....just guess. I'll give you a clue....the initials are not HRC. ;-)

[DemBones DemBones]

22. But she'll win PA and be ahead. nt

[democrattotheend]

26. How?

She won't net enough delegates out of PA to get ahead.

[theboss]

27. Did PA become winner take all in the last five minutes?

She's going to be 100 delegates down with PA comes around.

I realize that Hillary's victory strategy no longer involves votes from, like, voters, but even this statement is a bit of a stretch.

[TAWS]

28. No more firewalls after PA! n/t

[anigbrowl]

39. Meet me in Puerto Rico, cabron!

[mckeown1128]

32. How do you figure???

She would have to win nearly every delegate in PA to jump ahead of Obama in Pledged Delegates.

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. You sound like an utter joke....

You have no sense of basic math, do you?

[Perky]

102. Ahead in what?????????????????????

[Zachstar]

23. In my view it will be around 60-70 percent.

Some bad stuff is coming back to hit Clinton hard and people are having time to see this before they vote.

It really does seem that Obama will win big as long as he remains strong.

Remember that after that it will be a WHOLE MONTH to the next run up to a day of voting. A month where McCain is free to do as much as he wants without any effective opposition.

It may be enough this time to make Clinton to be a lame duck. However, do not count on it! We must expose her and remain strong. A month will suddenly become very quick if we decide to let up on Clinton.

[nomorewhopper]

40. HAS ANYBODY SEEN POLLS FOR MISSISSIPPI?

ditto for wyoming?

i checked pollster but didn't see anything. hoping somebody local could point me to some polling numbers.

thanks!

[New Dawn]

44. We're counting on you, Mississippi (and Wyoming)!

Lets end this thing!

[theboss]

55. Has anyone ever uttered that sentence before?

That has to be a first.

[Leopolds Ghost]

60. MS/WY Tuesday: To Boldly Go Where No Democrat has Gone before.

[Scurrilous]

49. K & R

:thumbsup:

[TacticalPeek]

63. Nope. She's making him defend here.

It could be non-blowout, and then the 'proportionality' effect helps her for a change, holding down Obama's possible margin.

Check back Tuesday night and we'll see.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4921655&mesg_id=4921655

[printpolitico]

65. Fact check

Where are you gathering your facts. do you have public records showing these statistics?

[Medusa]

70. Oh but they're black

and according to Bill & Hill, "even Jesse Jackson" could win a state like that (remember South Carolina--as if we could ever forget)????

Whatever, he's winning it and she ain't and that's all that matters!

[THUNDER HANDS]

71. but Mississippi doesn't count!!!!

come on people, pay attention!

[Mass]

74. the Clinton campaign already said Mississippi does not matter.

And Wyoming does not matter either, I imagine. (one is too black and the other one too white, I imagine).

[zarath]

78. Gets your facts straight

Mississippi doesn't count because it's a primary with too many black people.

Wyoming doesn't count because it's a caucus, and the line from the Hillary campaign is that caucuses are undemocratic and shouldn't count, unless she happened to win it. Then it definitely counts.

[Mass]

80. It is too hard to keep Hillary's excuses for not winning straight. They change every day.

[goclark]

109. You are so right ~ it's her way or the highway

I can see her now telling other countries what they better do ~ she can't even be fair to African American, one of her solid bases that kept them in the WH for 8 years!

I can see her now ~ nightmare city comeing folks.

[easy_b94]

75. That comment Hillary made last year about Mississippi is going to bite her in the ass

She will lucky to get 25% of the vote

[IDemo]

79. Obama will pick up another +4 delegate lead in Wyoming Saturday

Mississippi doesn't have to pick up all of the Ohio losses for him, just some.

[City Lights]

83. MS's primary is open - what will GOPers do now that their race is over?

Stay home, vote for McCain even though the race is over, or vote for whom they perceive to be the easier candidate to beat in the GE? I'm guessing it'll be a combo of all three.

[UALRBSofL]

101. No Surrender are you serious??

I didn't know Mississippi was open. Thanks for the info.

[NC_Nurse]

90. She won't quit trying to force her way in.

She doesn't give a shit about anyone or anything but herself.

[Upton]

94. With no polls out of the state

how do you know?

[suston96]

100. Using 2004 stats? I can do better......2006

Mississippi demographics.....


White - 60.9%. Black - 37.1%.

Female - 51.6%

More interesting numbers at census bureau -

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/28000.html


Mississippi Democratic primary is open to all voters. That means Republicans could cross over and do what Rush Limbaugh tells them to do.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/MS-D.phtml

[Seabiscuit]

113. Funny how Obamanoids get "fired up" playing their race card.

It fosters the most insane of delusions.