I'm going to say this...And I don't think i'm the only one.

[Skoods]

This is to the Obama supporters that continue to trash Hillary as much as they can...

You're driving me nuts. You're making me fall out of love with Democrats. I used to think that the Democrats were the inspired ones. That the Democrats were the high class, respectable party. But, after reading some of the nasty things that have been said about Hillary and her supporters here on DU, it's making me think more and more about not voting for Senator Obama in the General Election.

I know i'm going to get attacked for saying it, but it's just how I feel. I didn't have anything wrong with Barack Obama until I saw how his supporters act. You're like freaking Yankees fans around here. You start to win and you act like belligerent, arrogant jerks that attack the Clintons and their supporters like they're arch-fascists. Without the Clintons, Obama wouldn't even be here right now. Bill practically saved the Democratic Party as the only Democratic President since 1980. Why do most of you have to so closed-mindedly all the time?

I was fully prepared to support Obama if Hillary were to fall short. I bought bumper stickers. I bought a hat...But now I don't know if I can bring myself to support him. I don't think i'm the only one, and if the feeling is more widespread than just me, good luck winning against McCain without the Democratic base that you're pushing farther and farther away.

[anigbrowl]

1. Both candidates have a bunch of looney-tunes supporters

who are an embarrassment to the candidate. But you shouldn't judge too much from them.

[Ian_walker]

47. Beware Rove Trolls sow division.

Please be aware that various Repug Voters pass them selves off as Democrats in order to sow division. This Rove Tactics 101.

[rodeodance]

88. lots of Obamafolk touting the Rove book lately. Just like their Leader Obama! --

[eShirl]

127. see, OP? it's BOTH SIDES

[SeattleGirl]

90. I totally agree with that.

There are asshat people in both camps, and it's disgusting. Good Lord, what in the hell are they going to do when one of the candidates is the nominee? Are there people here who are going to keep throwing crap at the other camp? (Yes, I'm sure they are, but damn, it's pissin' me off.)

[TwilightGardener]

2. I swear to God, is it just ONE of you taking different screen names

to write the same overwrought shit about Obama supporters pissing in your political cornflakes? Or are there truly this many drama queens? Give me a fucking break.

[Skoods]

4. Another classy post..

by a classy Obama supporter

[TwilightGardener]

6. You're here for CLASS? Do you go to Arby's for a fine dining experience?

[jgraz]

18. Probably. He goes to the Clintons for competent campaigning

:shrug:

[LeftCoast]

53. Excellent example of the OP's point

[Hepburn]

:rofl:

[FlyingSquirrel]

42. ......

:rofl: :rofl:

Possible DUzy?

[Hepburn]

55. Totally possible!

I LMBO on that one! :rofl:

[krabigirl]

142. There are ways to make a point without littering your post with trashy profanity.

Love that Unity(tm)!

[dionysus]

143. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

zing!!!

[emilyg]

99. There are this many turning away from Obama.

[krabigirl]

141. Lovely post. I think you proved the OP's point with your attitude and foul language.

Grow up.

[truebrit71]

145. Amen.

Amen indeed...

[JVS]

154. YES

[JVS]

155. YES

[Madam Mossfern]

3. Pot, meet Kettle

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

[CatnHat]

Obsession to the

highest degree. We are all sick and tired of the zealot Obama supporters who "personally" attack Clinton on a daily basis. They attack Clinton when they win, they attack Clinton when they loose. Never seen nothing like this. Its disrespectful and vile. A campaign of change and hope, my ass. The only thing they're changing is alot of people's minds. Keep up the good work for your "candidate". Pathetic

HILLARY
'08

[Kurovski]

67. I swear, some folks around here learned to spell at Jim Robinson's knee.

It's "Lose" you want to peck-out, not "loose".

[CatnHat]

77. Good pastime

you have. Checking spelling and grammer. Good for you. Must make you feel real important.:crazy:

What exactly are you really trying to say?????????

[Kurovski]

79. It's "lose", not "loose".

And "grammar".

You could be respectful and thank me for helping you to not look like a freeptard, as that is a right-wing misspelling of the word which is so common they actually think it's correct.

Geez, try to lend a hand, and see what you get around this joint. That's respect for ya.

[CatnHat]

83. LOL

Waiting for you to catch that one. :rofl: Nothing like throwing out the bait.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

86. Yeah... "Never seen nothing like this"

;-) All these traps you are laying. You are tricksy!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

87. Do you do this "alot"?

:sigh:

[CatnHat]

97. Wow

you're just too damned good!!!

[Kurovski]

94. So...like...you're here at DU to throw out bait?

So...you're a reverse Nancy Drew, or what? The mystery is solved and you THEN look for clues?

[CatnHat]

108. Not quite

The first time it was my "bone-headed" mistake. I'm done, it was fun while it lasted.

[Kurovski]

113. Scotland Yard thanks you for your service, young Mr. Hardy.

We'd have otherwise never figured out the identity of our Mr. Robinson.

Yes, I'm done too.

[Seabiscuit]

120. And learned to think at Jim Jones' People's Temple.

[Kurovski]

124. A mass suicide appears imminent, I'll give you that much.

[Justitia]

5. Oh Boo Hoo! I thought Hillary was tough enough to win? She started this shitstorm - karma. -nt

[Hieronymus]

12. Damn right, she hired those goons.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Of the 140 post that you have currently, are any of them stating the same

thing to Hillary supporters and their favorite subject Rezko or the great Hillary line about how she and McCain are ready as Commander in Chief and OBama only has speeches?

I can always to a search on your user name to see, but I'm sure you can tell me.

You see, there's such an action called hitting back.

It's normally appropriately used if you are getting hit.

[CatnHat]

45. The big difference

is Clinton supporters keep it political. I have seen the most sexist posts of Hillary that totally disgusting. While you out searching, search for posts made by these Obama supporters; and then claim the personal attacks on Clinton are just 'hitting back'.

[FrenchieCat]

74. so you lump people together and just make them all accountable

for what others say?

Sounds like some mcarthyism to me.

[CatnHat]

112. Read my post

I said "these" not "all". Isn't that specific enough for you.

[FrenchieCat]

119. Not really.

I don't even think that the post was required....because there is too much back and forth from both camps for anyone to be pointing only one finger.

[TheDeathadder]

126. You're saying you've never posted any links before

to slander stories about Clinton?

maybe last night even?

[moobu2]

8. I don’t think I could vote for Obama

in the GE. It might change later, I don’t know, but I couldn’t if the GE election were today or this month. Most of the people I know feel the same.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Many feel the same way about Hillary Clinton,

and?

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. It is BOTH candidates partisans that are just nuts

so if you think it is only barack, look in the mirror and if a barack partisan thinks it is Hillary partisans, LOOK IN THE MIRROR

IT IS BOTH SIDES DOING THIS... and yes it is tearing the party apart

[Swamp Rat]

17. AMEN SISTER!!!

"Clintonistas" ... "Obamites" ... it's starting to look like the goddamn Freakrepublick around here! :eyes:

Meanwhile, at the White House...

[Shakespeare]

26. The gospel truth. Neither side is clean, neither side has cornered the market on victimhood.

And those on both sides who are pulling this shit, should knock it the hell off.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Maybe in the end we will get Romeo and Juliet out of this

I wonder how many of the partisans will symbolically throw in the towel if the Capulets and Montagues get together in the end...

(Romeo and Juliet reference for those who might miss it)

[boppers]

10. "Without the Clintons, Obama wouldn't even be here right now."

Yeah, right.

That's all you needed to say.

Do you think MLK mattered with, or without, LBJ?

[Skoods]

14. He mattered immensely, but without a Liberal President like LBJ

Things wouldn't have changed...And that's all that Clinton said a few months ago. But of course, the Obama crowd said she was RASCIST!!!!!!

[boppers]

54. I suggest you look at LBJ's voting record.

Oh, and the possible implication that while an "empty suit" who "makes speeches" like MLK asks for change, it takes a white person to actually make the change.

As far as I know, I don't think she meant to say that overtly, but the message could be interpreted different ways.

[Skoods]

60. She didn't mean it that way..

And anyone with an ounce of rationale thought knows that. This is right there with the Kerry "Stuck in Iraq" speech on the level of ludicrousy.

[JimGinPA]

13. There Sure Are A Lot Of People That Have Signed Up Here The Last Couple Of Months

Just sayin'


:popcorn:

[moobu2]

20. Most of them obama supporters

[moobu2]

15. It was Obama race baiting the Clintons that did it.

[mattclearing]

21. Please explain when this happened. Link? n/t

[Skoods]

24. South Carolina

The whole Bill Clinton "fairy tale" thing. If you watch the entire speech (can be seen on Youtube), it's obvious he was talking about his Iraq War record. Not his candidacy...But of course, the Obama supporters and the media attacked him as if he was calling Obama a fairy tale...ridiculous.

[mattclearing]

28. And when did Obama say anything about it?

Link? Quote? Anything? Good luck.

[Andromeda]

68. Obama has the media do his dirty work for him.

Anytime Obama whines about something, the MSM are there to defend him. "That big, bad, mean old Hillary is picking on me again." Boo-hoo.

You'd have to be blind, deaf or totally detached from reality to not notice.

In fact, I watched him today on CNN giving the media more instructions on how to counter anything Hillary says. He manipulates people and he's quite good at it.

That makes him a dangerous person.

[mattclearing]

103. Pot, meet kettle.

You can't be serious. Hillary whines about media treatment all the time while her aides feed photos of Obama in a turban to the media. Shameless.

What actually happened, for the people who can't remember shit from two months ago:

Completely unrelated black people made a big deal out of Hillary's comment, that she made with no prompting, that MLK and the civil rights movement was great and all, but it took LBJ to sign the Civil Rights Act. The media picked up on the obvious discontent within the black community.

From the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/13/AR2008011303624.html?hpid=topnews

"Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement," Obama said in a conference call with reporters. "I haven't remarked on it. And she, I think, offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that. But the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous."

[moobu2]

31. Thats it.

[rodeodance]

98. Obama was SILENT for sev. days after the MLK incident. His surrogates

spewed toxic sewage !! after a few days Obama said Hillary said nothing racial. Meanwhile the damage was done!! His silence was disgusting!!

[Justitia]

25. LOL, you are seriously confused. Ask Bill about Jesse Jackson why don't you? -eom

[rodeodance]

96. EXACTLY!!

[mattclearing]

16. There are Hillary supporters here just as bad.

It's fairly even. You can't make broad generalizations like that, because DU is comprised of individuals, some of us respectful, and others of us less so. I tend to be respectful unless someone says something completely idiotic, in which case I am happy to dish it out.

[Lilith Velkor]

158. Yes, but there are fewer of them.

Hillary supporters, I mean. Plenty of idiots, though.

[Matteon]

19. Well, keep this in mind...

...Hillary championed that Canada NAFTA story which is turning out to be an empry story, but that didn't stop her from using it as a rallying cry. She also championed McCain over Obama repeatedly. That's not a good way to endear yourself to the party.

HRC went with the kitchen sink negative campaigning, so she needs to lie in that bed she made. It's inaccurate for one candidate to go on a negative tear, and then blame supporters of her target for hurting the party because they don't like it.

I'm confused about how you could see the Democrats as high class but still suppoer Clinton, who is the complete opposite.

Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of all that is wrong with our national politics.

[moobu2]

30. Obama denied that the meeting with Canada took place

That was the story until he changed it to deny what was said at the meeting. He fucked himself.

[Justitia]

33. Yeah, and Hillary denied Bill fucked the help. What else ya got? -eom

[Skoods]

38. Yeah, because that's a valid comparison...

Comparing adultery, something she couldn't know about, to something the candidate did himself is just a perfect comparison...

:sarcasm:

[Justitia]

43. She knew and she lied about it. They are both LIARS. He got his ass IMPEACHED.

Now, isn't that part of her "lifetime of experience"?

[Skoods]

50. Everyone who isn't a complete idiot

knows that the impeachment was a political stunt by the Republicans...and you call yourself a Democrat.

[Justitia]

59. So, Clinton DIDN'T lie under oath and drag our party thru Impeachment?

Every goddamn day for years?

And then send our party out to wander the political wilderness for the next decade?

The Clinton Machine is hell bent on destroying our party.

[Name removed]

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[LisaM]

149. You don't think Obama has boundless personal ambition?

Anyone who runs for President does.

I saw a bunch of posts here lately calling Hillary "vile" and a "traitor". Where are the threads with titles saying similar things about Obama? Can you find me ONE thread saying, in its title, that Obama is vile, or a traitor?

[rodeodance]

91. Idiosy, Bill is not the candidate--

[Justitia]

95. So, he's not part of her "lifetime of experience", "being tested for 16 yrs"? Her claim to fame.

Was she simply the White House decorator?

[rodeodance]

101. No response to sheer poop.

[Justitia]

107. Didn't think so. -eom

[tabatha]

51. Have you not read that the Hillary Clinton camp

was the first to tell the Canadians to take NAFTA rhetoric with a "grain of salt".
And she was smearing Obama.

Obama's denials were legit - the way they described the meeting as the Obama camp contacting the Canadians was false - it was the other way around.

I hope Clinton gets roasted for this.

[emilyg]

100. He lied and got caught.

[Danger Mouse]

22. I just love me some hypocrisy in the evening.

:hi:

[Skoods]

27. Will you be in love with losing in November?

Because without the Democratic base...it could get ugly.

[Justitia]

29. HAHHAHAHA, Clinton is taking the Democratic base w/her? She doesn't even think 20 states count! nt

[Skoods]

34. She's won in Democrats almost every state...

He relies on Independents and Republicans. Many of which will switch to McCain when he is matched up with Obama.

[Justitia]

37. Are you kidding me? In all those states she claimed "don't matter"? You're delusional. -eom

[Skoods]

44. Ok..Since you're so confident that those states will deliver

for Obama in November...have fun. When he's losing PA, OH, FL, and MI...Good luck making up those electoral votes on the backs of the Carolinas.

[Justitia]

46. They sure as fuck aren't going for Clinton, now are they? -eom

[Skoods]

49. Ha...no and they aren't going for any Democrat.

But Pennsylvania and Ohio will.

[Justitia]

52. 'Cuz our last Mr. Electable won OH, right? Oh wait.... -eom

[Skoods]

58. Our last Mr. Electable?

Bill Clinton I presume...and yes, he did.

Kerry was never electable.

[Justitia]

62. LOL, more of that "party unity" from Team Clinton. -eom

[Skoods]

65. Wow...way to add substance to this conversation

An attack on me for lacking party unity when you're the one ripping apart Bill Clinton, our last President.

[Justitia]

70. The Clinton Machine started this shitstorm this time, they reap what they sow. -eom

[CatnHat]

61. That's right

Hillary will take the base with her. And Obama is his fans will just have to win the election on their own. Doesn't that make you happy. No more Clinton, no more Clinton supporters. Without the base, Obama is nothing.

Hey, aren't you the same poster who boasted of a sweep by Obama yesterday?

[Justitia]

63. Nope, not me. And it sure seems like Clinton is making at least 1/2 the base loathe her. -eom

[CatnHat]

73. Works both ways

with Obama supporters like you, who needs republicans. Clinton has an established base, Obama has an unpredictable base, independents, and newly registered. Not very solid. Keep up the good work for your candidate, you're doing a fine job.

[Justitia]

75. Sorry, if Hillary can't handle this, how can she take on the VRWC?

She started this attack shit, now she gets what she deserves - in spades.

So, suck it up - it's nothing compared to what she'd get in the General.

[CatnHat]

80. Hillary has handled

more than her share of vicious attacks. She'll be fine, thanks for asking. In the end, it just might be up to the Obama supporters to make the choice. Think about it.

[Justitia]

81. Yup, because it's always about Hillary, isn't it? The rest of the Democratic Party be damned. -eom

[CatnHat]

89. Yes, it does

seem it's all about Hillary. The Obama supporters are really too focused on Hillary, maybe they should concentrate more on McCain.

[Justitia]

93. Just taking the lead from your candidate, my friend. This is all her doing. -eom

[CatnHat]

105. What's her doing?

Running as a candidate? Maybe it's because the Obama supporters are so protective of their candidate, they can't stand anything negative said or written about him. This is part of the election process, candidates need vetted. If you really think Clinton has been hard on Obama, just wait. This is nothing compared to what the republican's have waiting for him, if he gets the nomination. Obama has been given a free pass for months. The gloves are off, what exactly did you expect? This is a damn election.

[Justitia]

109. All's fair in political war, per Hillary Clinton. Last 2 weeks she's been loathsome.

Today I started hitting back. Tough shit, deal with it.

The woman has more baggage than a Samsonite warehouse and I intend to go thru it piece by piece.

The gloves came off last night, and like Hillary, I'm just getting warmed up.

She may want to destroy our Party, but I'm not taking it lying down this time.

Once again, she started this negative shit, now it's coming back tenfold. Get ready.

[CatnHat]

114. Don't you think

Obama should have some say in how his campaign should handle the "negative" aspect. Is Obama willing to personally attack Clinton? If so, then by all means carry on.

[Justitia]

115. I don't work for his campaign. My interest lies in not letting the Clinton Machine destroy my party

again.

I want the nail in the coffin of these vampires before they hand deliver the Congress to the RW again.

So, that is where we are at. It sucks it has come to this, it's the first time in my entire life I have ever said a negative word in "public" about another Democrat, but there is too much at stake this time to let them get away with it.

And this election was supposed to be good for the Democratic party.

With the cancer that is the Clinton Machine, they are killing us.

[CatnHat]

116. Why did it take so

long for you to get to this point. Hillary was way up in numbers and seemingly would get the nomination hands down awhile back, were you outraged then?

[Justitia]

118. Nope. I actually said I would happily vote for her. Then, she went screamingly, publicly negative.

The Clintons have always had the propensity to savage fellow Dems.
Look at the advisers and hacks they surround themselves with.
This has been their weakness since Little Rock.

However,

They usually kept it to a background level, stuff only hardcore Dems would pick up on, until around the Kerry campaign when they got more and more blatant. I still looked the other way back then.

I hoped she would want to look squeaky clean to the base this time so they wouldn't go full throttle against their own party - no such luck.

They've been doing it since the beginning of this campaign, but as she got desperate the attacks intensified so that now the whole world is watching and what they are doing is handing a victory to the RW in November.

It's got to stop as soon as possible. If that means finally taking down the entire Clinton apparatus to get them to fucking stop, well, someone has to do something.

Here's hoping they wise up or that the rest of the Democratic party will stop them in their tracks.

[Danger Mouse]

159. What, DUer's are the Democratic base?

The nasty behavior of people on DU is influencing nobody but other DUer's.
And BELIEVE me, it comes IN SPADES from both sides.
I just LOVE how people try to pretend their side is better than the other.
There are MORE Obama supporters than Clinton supporters on DU, so I'd say the proportion of assholes to decent people is about right.

[Snowbot]

23. In fairness, this cuts both ways.

[Indiana_Dem]

32. Well, I don't feel any different--

It's all politics to me. Unfortunately, politics is not a nice thing but it's necessary. I'm willing to forgive and forget. In the end, I'm voting for either one. I personally think it's imperative that they run together after this. I believe this will be the only way we will be able to win. Half of the people like Hillary, half like Obama. That's fine with me. I can live with either or both as long as it's not a Republican. I don't want any more Republican presidents feeling like they have a mandate to run things on strictly a Republican party platform the way it's been the last 7+ years.

I'm tired of closed door meetings, no-bid government contracts, borrow & spend government, an illegitimate war, conservative judge appointments, pro-torture attorney generals, the suspension of habeas corpus, privatization of our government organizations, selling our ports, and the list goes on! Neither Dem candidate will be perfect but I can guarantee we will all get at least a little more benefit compared to what we've been getting in return. I'm tired of feeling like I'm living oppressed & fearful of what our leader is going to do next.

I don't know what to say if you don't vote or vote for McCain depending on who wins the Dem primary. I guess you won't be able to complain.

[Skoods]

35. I might just write in Hillary

[Indiana_Dem]

84. Oh I've tried that one before, too--

I wrote in Ralph Nader in Bill Clinton's first run. That was when Perot was running, I believe. I didn't know Bill Clinton very well at that point and I was disgruntled at the whole system at that point--(not to really say I'm not now, either). But really, after living most of my life with Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Bush--I really want to see another Dem president! Carter and Clinton are the only ones I've ever seen in the WH in my life! I couldn't vote until the Bush I election. I just want to tell you that writing another name on the ballot or voting third party is not going to get you anywhere!

Please, please, please, you guys! Vote for the Dem no matter what! I can't take another 4 years of Republicanism in my life!!!!!

[rodeodance]

102. I know I will.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Gosh!! Politicians slinging shit at each other!! I'm shocked!!

Undoubtedly, it's the first time it's ever been encountered in the history of these here NewNighted States of 'Murka!! :rofl: :nopity:

[Dogmudgeon]

39. They're scared.

Obama is only ahead by 5-10% of the delegates and 3-5% of the popular vote. They know that superdelegates are fickle and faithless, they know that if Obama makes a series of bad blunders, it's all over, and they know that if Hillary gets to the convention with more popular votes and Obama gets there with delegates, the entire Obama mythos is shot to hell.

I am a realist -- Hillary is in a tough position, and her chances are not that great anymore. I'd give 2:1 odds against her. But she has extensive electoral experience and the "testicular fortitude" of a brass monkey. She has been campaigning in different forms since 1980; this is only Obama's third big race, and he's still not that comfortable with it. He's a fast study, but some things can only be learned by slow experience.

The Obama supporters who act like jerks tend to be jerks anyway. Frightented jerks. The have to keep telling themselves that Obama is incapable of losing, and they have to keep the idea alive that Hillary is a demoness. It's a crazy way to do politics, but it works for some people.

I assure you, most of Obama's people are fine. The very worst thing I have seen in real life is that some of them are a little like a cross between born-again Christians and hippies (but with a different ideology), which isn't really that bad of a thing.

But the Obama-crazy here are of no real consequence. Like their counterparts in the Hillary camp, or at FR, they're overwrought and unrepresentative. If you want a better perspective, turn the computer off and get out of the house. Volunteer for Hillary or the local Democratic Party and its GOtV efforts. You'll feel much better.

For solidarity and victory,

--p!

[Indiana_Dem]

71. HAha! Your observation was funny!

I am, in fact, a born-again Dem who has turned in the last 4 years into what would be called a "hippie" chick nowdays. (It's all because of peak oil, though). Climate change and green, sustainable living is what defines me now---see link in sigline! (Oh, by the way, I don't ever attend church, though, because I do tend to think for myself! I'm extremely liberal except for 2nd amendment rights) I'm sorry someone gave you a bad impression about people like me!:shrug: :cry:

Like I keep saying, I'll vote for the Dem candidate no matter who wins the primary! This is VERY important folks! Don't get caught up in the hype the media puts out on both sides. They just need something to stir up because they have nothing else to harp on if they don't and then their ratings go down!

Keep your eye on the prize!

[Dogmudgeon]

136. I enjoyed that reply! Thanks!

I (heart) independent-minded born-again Christian hippies! No, not a drop of sarcasm there. I really do. Lots of positive personal experience.

I've also found that the rabid-dag Obama supporters -- and Clinton supporters -- are mainly limited to the Internet. Okay, there's also Dave (Axelrod) and Mark (Penn), but I appreciate the value of political theatrics. This is a space that attracts a lot of misfits. But I will have NO problem whatsoever serving under General Obama this fall, though I'd prefer to take my marching orders from General Clinton.

Why am I here? As I have written frequently, primary season is the time to sharpen our fighting skills. It's like Army war games or an intra-dojo karate competition.

Peak oil/climate/environment is also my big "concern cluster", and I think we've begun the Big Slide -- oil is over $100/bbl, the international markets in wheat and corn are experiencing the beginning of hyperinflation, gold is nearly at $1000/gm, and the lambs are laying down with the lions, and not getting very much sleep. As much as I will fight to keep John McCain in the Senate, I find it his relatively enlightened stance on energy, climate, and environmental issues to be a hopeful sign.

I don't usually keep track of most peoples' comings and goings, but do you check out the Energy/Environment forum often?

See you in the trenches, and thanks again!

:hi:

--p!

[Indiana_Dem]

147. I don't check it very often.

I just came back to DU after a long absence in the past 4 years. I was crushed after Kerry had lost in 2004. I left visiting DU and went to participate in energy/peak oil discussion boards to see what I could do to personally mitigate the blows that have been coming our way ever since I found out about energy resource decline. The Energy & Environment & peak oil forums on DU hadn't been very active in the times I checked in over the past 4 years. I've mostly been lurking every now and then on DU for the past 4 years.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. Thanks for adding fuel to the divisiveness. It is duly noted.

[moobu2]

41. Barack is such a unifying force.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. So called "Clinton supporters" are the ones writing these diatribes.

But, thanks for playing.

[TreasonousBastard]

56. Who the fuck are you to make demands of...

the ersatz "supporters" of anyone here.

It seems you haven't yet figured out that there are few real "supporters" of either candidate-- it's mostly argumentative assholes who just won't give up because they're insane or being paid to keep up the fight here.

It also seems you can't manage to pry your eyes away from these stupid flamefests and are far too easily influenced buy them. Most people make up their own minds.

[DemBones DemBones]

66. I absolutely will not vote for Obama, will vote third party.

His supporters reflect his smug smirk and arrogant attitude, his sense of entitlement.
They can't explain his positions any better than he can because he's deliberately vague, as another recent candidate was, just trying to make people feel good and vote for him.

We've had that in the WH since 2000, don't need it again.

I've voted for the "lesser of two evils" far too many times. Never again.

I'm not in love with Hillary Clinton, don't think she's progressive enough, but she could be a pretty good president and she can beat McCain, who is surely less progressive than she is. So I will vote for her if she gets the nomination.

I don't trust Obama to be progressive at all, think he's a stalking horse for the GOP.

[eridani]

78. She can't beat McCain by using Republican framing

which she has been doing with the tough + experience + fear memes. McCain beats her on all of those. Her chief campaign strategist belongs to the firm which is also running McCain's campaign.

Neither will be progressive without a lot of pushing from below anyway.

[DemBones DemBones]

85. The only way we can stop the one party rule we have now,

and the Dems and GOP are just branches of the one party of corporatism, is to start new parties and support them. New parties have been started and succeeded in the past; the Dems and GOP haven't existed forever, as I'm sure you know.

So I may vote Green no matter who the Dems nominate. We need a Labor Party that would actually fight for workers' rights. The unions could organize one. We need the Greens to work on saving the environment. We could use a Peace and Social Justice Party, too. The Dems are not serving the interests of most Americans anymore. They are like the GOP, just a bit nicer, and sometimes not even nicer!

Americans need to be more politically involved, support new parties, and hold their representatives' feet to the fire more. I wish we could vote "no confidence" in our government and throw them all out when they slack off and do nothing but get richer and kiss the asses of their corporate donors. I've had it with that shit.

This was only my low-key :rant: BTW!

[eridani]

123. Last time a third party succeeded was the Bull Moose Party

That was about TR and only TR, and it fell apart when he was no longer holding public office. I haven't seen anybody in any third party within the last 50-60 years that was actually serious about electoral politics. You know--basic stuff like maintaining voterfiles during non election years, getting as many precinct captains as possible, starting out local instead of running for the senate or the presidency right away, etc.

"Americans need to be more politically involved." Of course. And the guy who is getting lots of them more involved is in no way, shape or form progressive. Obama had 40,000 volunteers in Texas alone. He has a real 50 state strategy. Clinton and Obama get large wads of cash from the haves and have mores, but Clinton spends on shitstains like Mark Penn, and Obama spends it on organizing. Of course none of these newbies are issue junkies, but they do want to engage in collective action to do something or another. I say it's up to us policy wonk types to come up with some practical alternatives.

[Catherina]

125. His sense of entitlement?

I wish you were capable of recognizing the hypocrisy in your ghastly post.

Second point- if you've voted for the "lesser of two evils" far too many times, what are you doing supporing a battle-axe like Hillary?

And you're concerned about Obama being a stalking horse for the GOP while supporting the DLC?

:wow:

[Beacool]

72. Support him????

I don't think I could even bear to wear his button.

:shrug:

[midora]

132. I Feel the Same Way About Hillary

I could never vote, support, or "wear the button" of someone so ruthless and unethical, someone who has shown she will do anything to win.

[Andromeda]

76. Skoods, not all of us are lemmings,

and we don't let the irrational zealotry of some Obama supporters deter us from defending our candidate or voting our consciences.

Use the ignore function. It will save your sanity.

[splat]

82. Yeah, I was there last week; now I just peek in here, and usually back right out again

Until the war among the Democrats ends, this is not a green zone.

[WheresMyVoice]

92. Concern troll?

?

[RiverStone]

104. PLease don't use such a broad brush

I have many times offered support and/or empathy to a Hillary supporter. My anger is directed at her and her tactics specifically - but why would I insult who our party needs and Obama needs to win in the GE? We need you. and we need Hillary when the dust settles.

This is the heat of the primary season - politics is a full contact sport. I have seen plenty of insults tossed from both sides --- but Dem side is not near as bad as the pukes and their minions.

It will be far worse this fall.

Hang in there - eventually when we have a common enemy in that war mongering bastard McCain - things will mellow.

I promise!


peace~:)

[MrSlayer]

106. It's not about the supporters. You aren't voting for them.

You are voting for your party's candidate. All the shit talking and running down of each other will stop once we have an outside opponent to focus on. This is a family fight and family fights can get really ugly because you are so familiar with each other. However, two brothers in a fistfight will both turn on an outsider if he steps in either way. Once it cools down and summer comes in we'll be together. Unless it goes on all the way to the convention floor. Heh. By then even I might get a bit sick of it.

[AJH032]

110. I feel similarly

n/t

[marions ghost]

111. awww poor you

you "bought bumper stickers, you bought a hat."

And then those freaking Obama supporters made you feel bad about Obama. So then you have to go back to Hillary.

Poor you.

[Beregond2]

117. Nasty

The Clinton supporters have been far worse. And besides, where did you ever get the idea that politics in America doesn't get nasty? This board is a kindergarten to what has gone on during most campaigns of the past. Suck it up and deal with it.

[Seabiscuit]

121. If I didn't have over 500 of those Obamanoid asswipes on "ignore" I'd probably feel the same way.

As it is I only have to weed through half the garbage that would be plastered on this board otherwise.

I'll vote for whoever ends up running against McCain. I'm not going to let a bunch of uncivilized kids and freeper invaders disrupting DU affect my decisions about the candidates.

[LizW]

153. 500??? Seriously????

Wow, I thought I had a lot on ignore and I've only just hit 100.

[Seabiscuit]

156. Maybe my "ignore" button came alive a bit earlier.

Sometimes I find a really offensive thread, and before putting the author on "ignore" I read the responses and knock out about 20-30 creepazoids before knocking out the author. The worst threads tend to attract the worst posters like flies on dogshit.

[donheld]

122. So you base your votes on what is said on a online forum

How bright of you.

[barack the house]

129. Yes it is about the candidate themselves listen to them not us.

[barack the house]

128. HRC insinuated Barack a deviant, the wrong religion and incompetant why wouldn't we be upset??...

2Plus these personal attack make Dems looks real bad...This sort of thing isn't what makes me proud of the Dem party . Link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plM6zulA2FM

[Perry Logan]

130. "I didn't [see] anything wrong with Barack Obama until I saw how his supporters act." Says it all.

Some others who agree with you:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

[midora]

131. What About How HIllary's Supporters Act?

Some of the Hillary supporters on this site are not as pure as driven snow. It's not like the Obama'ers are persecuting them and backing them into a corner. For some reason, it's considered acceptable to trash Obama and his supporters, but saying anything negative about Clinton is like breaking some unbroken rule.

[Perry Logan]

133. It was inevitable that some Hillary people would react to the Obama supporters' terrible behavior.

[midora]

135. And it Was Inevitable that Some Obama Supporters React to the Hillary Supporters Terrible Behavior

[JoFerret]

134. You could wear that Obama hat to the GOP convention

Republicans often get into that stuff in a big way. You could add bandaids and a whole array of sexist and racist regalia. Would be fun,no?

[danimich1]

137. I still haven't decided, but

I am a little shocked at what is going on here. I don't post much, but I've been a regular reader since 2004, when I needed a place to come to where people felt the same way that I did about what was happening in this country. I'm a liberal who lives in Wyoming, so I'm a little isolated! Although I don't agree with everything that everyone says, DU has been a haven for me.

The last few months I have been very busy, and I hadn't logged on since before Christmas. Being an Al Gore supporter, I wasn't too excited about anyone, but figured that I would make up my mind as the field grew smaller. I came here to get information to help me decide. The main thing I see here is Clinton bashing and Obama bashing - that's right - the bashing of both.

I have to admit, that it's hard to decide who I will vote for! Both candidates will be here in town on Friday, and I'm going to do my best to see both of them. Maybe then I can decide. I will vote for the democratic candidate, no matter who it is, because I'm not going to let this bashing turn me away from trying to do something good for this country. However, it's very sad to see people here bashing each other.

[kentuck]

138. What a bucketload of shit !

:rofl:

[Mags]

139. well said, and I couldn't agree with you more.

lifelong Democrat from a Dem. family, all feel the same too.

[Bethany Rockafella]

140. "I am so done with that bitch n/t "...from am Obama supporter

This poster is not referring to Ann Counter.

[nomorewhopper]

144. obama supporters feel exactly like you do

and this is what we mean when we say "her staying in the race is destroying this party"

we feel exactly like you do

get it?

[olkaz]

146. BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

"Without the Clintons, Obama wouldn't even be here right now."

You are entertaining.

Anyhow, if you seriously can't figure out why most Democrats want a split with the past, then you probably just better sit back down.

This is SO much fun, you guys.

[taliesin]

148. throwing my hat in ring...

I voted for Obama. I have many friends and family who voted for Hillary Clinton, I respect them and I respect their choice. I was surprised at my own level of disappointment in Tuesday's outcome and have been (still am) trying to understand why I was so down about it. One thing that truly hit home for me was when Hillary mocked Obama (I know, toughen up, grow up, if you think that's bad and can't take it just wait...). I loved his response in the debate btw "Sounds good." Normally this would have passed with me as a small slight but I realized that a few sentences at the end of one his ads are something that I've believed in since I can remember, "The world as it is, is not the world as it has to be." I'm satisfied with my choice, the time and research I put into it and believe that I came to my decision rationally. It's insulting to be characterized as a cultist and disheartening to be called a "blue sky-er" who just doesn't understand how the world really works. I do think I have an understanding of how things work and I see a possibility of changing that for the better, if only a little bit, and I don't want to miss that chance. Some of my friends and family and people here see a different path, one that I respect but differ from. Campaigns seem to always get ugly and I was struggling with the possibility of Hillary being the nominee. I was seriously surprised that this struck me as a disappointment because I view her as excellent candidate. My thinking is that I am so invested in the possibilities of an Obama presidency and because of the level of expectation it only seems that way. So, at this point, I will vote for her if she is the nominee. I wouldn't have to hold my nose when and if the time comes, I'll just have to see other possibilities (and heal a few wounds).

[blm]

150. Bill saved Dem party or did the Dems who uncovered and investigated IranContra and BCCI save

the Dem party and this nation at the time and Bill gained office based on that work and used his presidency to SIDE with the secrecy and privilege of GOP administrations acting criminally against this nation?

[invictus]

151. The Clintons' legacy is the division of Democratic Party through their policy of triangulation ...

... and the selling out of progressive principles on the Iraq War, NAFTA, outsourcing, and other issues.

[scheming daemons]

152. 150 posts... account less than a month old.... I smell freeper troll......

...

[mmonk]

157. I'm willing to make a deal with you.

I willing to quit "attacking" if they and their supporters will agree to quit attacking Obama. I'm wondering if defending Obama is considered attacking Clinton also and if wanting the DLC to quit trying to control the election system by gaming it is attacking also.