Who will be the last to die for her mistake?

[TheZug]

She voted to let this war happen. So she owns it--along with Chimpy, the Rethugs, and all of the other sniveling, lily-livered Democrats like her who allowed this to happen.

She can't even bring herself to admit it was a mistake--she "wishes she could have it back." But she sure as hell won't take responsibility.

And yet we're supposed to trust her to pick up that phone at 3 a.m.--someone who, when it counted, made a gross error in judgment, and then won't even own up to it.

No way. No way.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. BAHHHHHHH ROARRRRRRR SNARFFFFF GARBLE GARBLE ROARRRRRR!!!!!!

[Kolesar]

15. Never expect too much from your posts...eom

[axollot]

45. Have to admit...

Over the years that I've been here - I've felt the same way and could count on one hand the post of which I thought were decent of OMC. Sorry dude.....

Cheers
Sandy

[LostinVA]

33. These posts make me laugh everytime

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. I Mean, What Else Is There To Say, Ya Know?

:)

[Just-plain-Kathy]

50. Hillary supporters here use posts like #1, to filibuster any real conversation.

Some just can't handle the truth.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

53. Smart Sane People Use Posts Like #1, As A Humorous Way To Say The OP Is Lunacy.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

55. Smart people know how to use words.

"BAHHHHHHH ROARRRRRRR SNARFFFFF GARBLE GARBLE ROARRRRRR!!!!!!"

[backscatter712]

58. Not just a river in Egypt. People are blocking out the fact. Vote for Hillary, you vote for war.

Blood is on your hands if you vote for Hillary, because blood is on her hands.

As much as she might scrub and say "Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!", that fact will never change.

She voted for war, and we got war.

[leftofcool]

2. "the last to die for her mistake?"

And how may other Democratic leaders voted for the war? But, of course, it's all Clinton's fault. GWB had nothing to do with it.

[TheZug]

5. It's not ALL her fault--but she bears some responsibility, along with the other Dems

who you correctly mention allowed it to happen.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

12. The Clintons were one of "the past administrations" who advised our (D) leaders to vote for the war.

By no means should Hillary be our president.

We here know about PNAC and their plan for world domination through aggression. The Clintons had to know about PNAC. Why did the Clintons let the neo-cons take us into the Middle East? They knew Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11!

[jakem]

3. clintons do not make mistakes.

:irony:

[BigDDem]

4. Who's that guy who keeps voting to fund the war?

[zulchzulu]

22. The same guy who will not abandon the troops sent into battle and vets returning

Once the 3AM Goldwater Girl decided to hit the "War" button on the red phone, Obama decided it would be best to at least provide armor for the troops sent into battle.

[BigDDem]

47. I think you're under the impression

that Hillary single handily started the war, you really should
educate yourself.

[Skidmore]

56. Edcate yourself.

There were other members of Congress and the Senate who found the courage to vote "No" to the war.

[LostinVA]

34. Obama

Whoops -- did I say that?

[samrock]

6. Sooooo

If Hillary had just voted the other way.. Bush would NEVER have sent the troops into Iraq??

[TheZug]

10. That's supposed to be an argument?

It's not ALL her fault, as I said.

But she was an enabler.

She bears some responsibility.

And she refuses to accept it.

The only real time when the chips were down for her, she did this.

That's who you want for commander in chief?

[BigDDem]

25. but when BO continues to support paying for the bombs

that's ok, right?

{insert cliche here}

[samrock]

27. No

She did not send the troops into Iraq .. George did.. She has said.. IF she were pres and got that power she would NOT have sent the troops into Iraq. Do you seriously think she WOULD have sent the troops in???

This is ALL On George.. He even said he did NOT need congress approval.. he had all the approval he needed from the U.N. those troops were going in no matter WHAT.. You can try to kick this dead horse as often as ya like.. but the truth comes down to this.. George Bush is to blame for this mess.. Do NOT try and take any blood off his hands.. you insult those brave men/women who have suffered because of his actions!

[DrFunkenstein]

36. She Would Have Some Moral Authority, Instead of Enabling The Deaths of Thousands

Which is why we need someone who can provide a contrast with McCain, not just a watered down version.

[Iris]

7. A bit dramatic since her voting against the war would not have stopped it.

[TheZug]

11. Oh, so since her vote "didn't matter," it's okay?

[Iris]

59. I'm just saying the atmosphere at that time didn't lend itself to taking much of a stand.

Remember the Dixie Chicks witch hunt?

[LeftCoast]

8. So if we take your argument at face value, how much responsibility does BO have for funding it?

Spurious though your argument is, it seems to beg this question.

[TheZug]

14. Some, though as he has said

There are only so many ways to get out of the ditch once someone has driven into it.

[LeftCoast]

18. True, but it hardly makes a strong statement against the war

If he's going to argue a hypothetical (ie his vote had he been in the Senate at the time), this doesn't strengthen that argument at all.

[LostinVA]

39. One way out is to stop funding it

[Benhurst]

9. Yeah, and on the other hand we are supposed to be all excited

about an "anti-war" candidate who has supported Bush's criminal and immoral military adventures ever since being elected to the Senate. We get a lot of bullshit rhetoric, but the funding continues, with his support.

No wonder so many of us are less than enthusiastic as we head into the general election.

Heads you lose. Tails you lose.

[Xipe Totec]

13. Thank goodness you're here to set us straight

If only you had been around back then, you might have single handedly prevented this horrible war.

Oh well, it's never too late to assign blame.

[TheZug]

16. Right, it's all about "moving forward" . . .

Which is what she says when she wants to change the subject. Once accomplished, then it's back to all of her "experience."

[Xipe Totec]

19. More input from the peanut gallery

I'll give it all the consideration it deserves.

[0007]

21. It's never too late to assign blame. And its never to late to forgive.

I wish I could forgive her.

[Tarc]

17. Another insipid "blame Clinton for Iraq" topic? No!

:eyes:

How much blame does Obama get for continuing to fund the war machine?

[TheZug]

20. She should have shown him the light with all of her "experience."

[Tarc]

26. Cute. Answer the question, if you are able to

How much blame does Obama get for funding the war?

How much blood is on his hands as a consequence of his votes?

[TheZug]

30. As I said, he gets some.

While I don't think the war can be instantly de-funded without putting more lives at risk, I would like to see him make a more forceful stand against it.

But he didn't stand by and allow it to happen in the first place. She did. And she's running on her experience.

[Tarc]

43. Yes, he didn't stand by and allow it to happen

Because at the time he was a lowly state senator giving pretty speeches about it that had no consequence. It is easy to speak out when you don't know the facts and have no idea what is going on at the federal level, way above one's head.

Clinton and other Democrats who voted for it were lied to and deceived by Cheney's cherry-picked intel reports. It isn't their fault, and all (except for dirtbags like Lieberman of course) have expressed regret and say they would not vote the same way knowing what we know now.

If you're looking for any more than that, then you're barking up a lonely and pointless tree.

[BigDDem]

35. "How much blame does Obama get for funding the war?"

None, because, uh, well, uh, something about a ditch......

[TheZug]

37. So vote Hillary, because she has "experience"!

Experience voting for the Iraq war.

[BigDDem]

44. I already did on Tuesday, and she won!

Go ahead and support the guy who keeps paying for the bombs!

[End Of The Road]

23. This is such flamebait, not to mention

that we've beat this to death in the last couple of months.

With all due respect, please crawl back into your troll hole.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

24. spoken like a true Rethuglican TROLL.....goodbye

[TheZug]

28. Anyone who points out the holes in her so-called "experience" is a Republican??

I despise those people, and anyone who enables them. SHE enabled them.

[suston96]

29. Hillary Clinton's vote was the deciding vote? Shame on her.....!

[TheZug]

31. If it's not the deciding vote, is it okay to vote for whatever?

Maybe I should vote for McCain then, or Nader. Because if the Dem wins my state, then by your argument my vote doesn't matter.

[suston96]

48. Whatever? Actually legislators do it all the time. Or, like Obama, you just vote "present".

Her vote was non-deciding and a super majority of members of Congress, both houses, voted for the Joint Resolution - The Iraq War Act.

But that is all Obama has what with the Rezco trial and Naftagate ......so let him keep trying. Didn't work in Ohio and Texas and Rhode Island where primary voters didn't listen to the IWR vote bullshit.

But hey, those really democratic caucuses in Texas may have listened.

[nebula]

32. They are both wrong on Iraq

Hillary more so than Obama.

[The_Casual_Observer]

38. Wouldn't expect a troll to hold Bush responsible for the Iraq war.

Bush is never mentioned in this kind of OP. It's as if the Iraq war was conducted by somebody else.

[TheZug]

41. Oh, but I do. He should be tried for war crimes.

I'd just like to see the woman who has proclaimed herself so capable of being commander in chief own up to her mistake. He equivocating is as bad as Reagan's "mistakes were made."

[The_Casual_Observer]

46. Get lost .

[Skip Intro]

42. Ask John Kerry, if you can pry him away from Obama (who said he didnt know how he woudl have voted)

really, who did you vote for in 04?


this is bush\'s war, he pushed, he ordered the troops over, he gave the order for the bombs to start falling - he misused the authority given to him, an authority he and his gang lied to congress to get

[midnight]

49. I continue to see the simple stated version of the outcome of

the vote to allow the U.N. inspectors to do there job first........We all know that Dr. Kelly who ran that inspection was murdered. The inspection was overridden, and the U.N. was ignored. I think that she does not have that much power. I think collectively our congress does though. All of them should not vote another penny toward this illegal war.

[dailykoff]

51. Oh it wasn't an error, just a little PR problem.

She hasn't changed her stripes.

[BigDDem]

52. Guess who?

On the war, 2004:

"There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage"

[moondust]

54. How do you know it was a mistake?

She may have known there was no reason to invade Iraq when she voted for it.

Obviously you cannot collect intelligence on something that does not exist (WMD). Therefore there was no valid intelligence to support an invasion. I find it somewhat hard to believe that a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and long-time charter member of the Washington Establishment with virtually unlimited connections there did not know that there was no intelligence. If she didn't know she could have found out relatively easily.

Why would she do it? Political capital? Oil? Same reasons as McBush and all the other Pukes.

As a former Democratic President's spouse with one of the most recognizable names in modern politics, she should have been a leader on this deadly vote but she wasn't.

[MojoMojoMojo]

57. Obama will not rule out Bombing Iran.Obama wants to increase military spending.

Obama will escalate the Afghan war.Obama would bomb Pakistan.
Obama will not limit Blackwaters presence in Iraq.
Obama would re-invade Iraq if required.

If Obama would use force to destroy peaceful nuclear facilities in Iran ,it is very likely he would condone the same effort in Iraq.It is likely judging from his other positions that Obama would have voted yes on IWR.

Hillary voted for inspections.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. May Hillary can run as VP on warmonger McCain's ticket - it's a better fit.

[CyberPieHole]

61. Obama keeps funding the war...he's obviously for it before he was against it.

:evilgrin: