How different would things be now... IF

[samrock]

Howard and the rest of the DNC has done the SAME thing the other guys did to punish MI/FLA.. I.E. say.. ok ya want to go early.. go ahead.. BUT only half of your delgates will be seated.. THAN all parties would have campigned there keeping that fact in mind.. Howard Dean is a putz!!!

[movonne]

1. The DNC did what it had to do....end of story..

[samrock]

5. No it didn't

Why could it not have done what the republicans did.. Punish those states by taking away half of their delegates???

[Renew Deal]

15. Because the Democrats rules are different.

Our rules state that there will be a 100% punishment.

[samrock]

22. THAT is proving to be

a VERY bad rule!! IF it had been 50% than all candidates would have campainged in MI/FL .. left there names on the ballots and life would be going on.. as it is in the Republicans.. maybe they are just smarter???

[Renew Deal]

23. They're rule breaking morans

Even within their own party.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Nope

there were plenty of options. They chose this extreme one because they didn't imagine that the delegates from FL and MI would actually MATTER.

Now they do, and they're in a shitty situation that needs to be resolved.

[NightWatcher]

2. no, FL and MI knew the rules and chose to go ahead of time

rules are rules are rules

[MonkeyFunk]

9. That's exactly what Florida republicans argued in 2000

They couldn't let one county finish counting the votes, because the rules are the rules, and the results had to be in to Kathleen Harris' office by 5:00pm on a Sunday. Rules are rules.

They couldn't recount the whole state, because rules are rules. Who cares if people are disenfranchies? Rules are rules.

[TheZug]

3. Hey, they could have whined about that too.

And demanded that they get all their delegates.

Hell, why don't they get EVERYONE's delegates??

Maybe they can vote for the goddamn 2012 primary this June as well.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

4. FL and MI knew far in advance what the consequences would be

They played chicken with the DNC, and they lost.

[durrrty libby]

7. If only you could see how idiotic that statement is.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

28. Let's examine your posts, just in this thread.

"If only you could see how idiotic that statement is."
"Howard and his 48 state game paln are both losers"
"Well said. Man these people are brain dead"

And you have the gall to call me idiotic? Try contributing something sometime, instead of constantly posting one line attacks on people.

[durrrty libby]

6. Howard and his 48 state game paln are both losers

[blogslut]

10. Howard Dean is a gift

We are so lucky to have him running our party, I still pinch myself.

Look, I hate all pushing up the primaries business. If Howard is responsible for that, well, that sucks. It's made for a draining, elongated primary season and had a couple of states losing the toss.

Regardless, in my opinion Howard has saved the Democratic party from the corporate mindset of the DLC. He's given us back our party.

[tomreedtoon]

11. Repeat: there IS NO DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN FLORIDA!

There are only a bunch of Republican flunkies that claim to be Democrats.

They let the Republicans steal the vote for Bush in 2000 and 2004. They run lame candidates to provide an excuse of a "race" for their Republican masters. They disobey the rules that they, and the other 49 states, agreed to follow. They are a simple Ponzi scheme to prevent Democrats in Florida from actually having a voice in the corrupt politics of this state.

And every one of you who believes that there is a Democratic Party in Florida need to stand on Platform 9 3/4 and take a trip to Hogwarts.

[samrock]

12. Hmmm

Then the millions of people who voted in the democratic primary on 01/29 are Quidich(sp) players???

[tomreedtoon]

30. No, they aren't the Party. They're Democratic voters.

Democratic voters who believe that there is a Democratic Party in Florida. You could call them Muggles, people too stupid to believe in the forces that really rule the state.

[durrrty libby]

27. Well said. Man these people are brain dead

[tomreedtoon]

29. Yeah...as brain dead as a FOX!

There is no Democratic press in Florida to call them on it. The only thing "almost" Democratic are the cynical little "free weekly" newspapers that are supported by ads for gay dating services and prostitution...er, "massage"...parlors.

They are "brain dead" enough to realize that they can make a great living by pretending to be a branch of the Democratic Party, and accepting the crumbs falling from the great gorging feast of the state's Republicans. There are a lot of amoral people (not me) who would kill for a chance to be that "brain dead."

[blm]

13. Dean had no choice BUT to enforce party rules - that rule was set up by Terry McAuliffe

in 2002. The STATES, including Mi and Fl voted to KEEP that rule in place.

Why do you want to pretend this is all Dean's doing when no party chair can pick and choose the rules to keep.

Who the eff are you to PRETEND otherwise?

[samrock]

14. Someone

with foresight would have seen this train wreck coming and taken action to prevent it..

[goldcanyonaz]

16. Foresight is the key word. He didn't have it.

[blm]

18. McAuliffe did when he put the rule in place in 2002? Spin away - you all need it just as BushInc do

because Clintons operate the same way.

You want foresight?

Many of us here at PREDICTED Clintons would concoct a reason to push Dean out as chair back in 2005 and again in 2006.

And they proved us right to show foresight to NOT TRUST TeamClinton.

[samrock]

19. Are you implying..

Republicans are smarter than democrats?? They avoided this problem.. I BET after this year rules WILL be changed to make more sense.. I hope the price we have to pay for bull headed stuborness is not President John McCain..

[blm]

20. Look to TeamClinton and Terry McAuliffe's machinations at the DNC. They were in it for themselves

and for no one else in the party - not Dem candidates or Dem voters.

[samrock]

21. Soo if I am to understand

this correctly ... Howard Dean took over in 2002?? He watched how the 2004 race went.. decided .. Nope no need for rule change all is just okey dokey with the rules.. now a train wreck happens in 2008 and he gets NO blame???

[blm]

24. Baloney - the rule was set in 2002 - voted in again BY STATE PARTIES in 2006. There was no

controversy to 'learn from' when Dean took over in 2005 as you want to pretend to make a case that doesn't exist.

You blame Dean because TeamClinton NEEDS DEAN BLAMED and you are either gullible enough to promote their view uncritically or.... you understand what you are doing complicitly and don't care about the facts and the truth in the first place.

[samrock]

25. All I know is..

The republicans faced the same situation.. 2 states breaking there parties rules... They managed to get past it.. with both states feeling they still had a say in their parties selection process and all candidates feeling the issue was handle fairly..

[blm]

26. Did they go to the media to exaggerate and spin or did they work it out with the RNC

appropriately and according to the rules?

[blm]

17. Baloney - Mi and Fl promised when they voted FOR the rule as did the other states.

What you bullspitting Hillary supporters are pushing is the pERCEPTION this was all Dean's doing when you always intended to use this as the reason Clintons pushed Dean out.

Except I don't expect ANY Clinton supporter to be HONEST enough to admit the truth about this entire CONCOCTED controversy. Which is why they WENT TO THE PRESS with their LIES and spin and refused to sit down with the DNC.

Rove tactics courtesy of Clintons and their strategists who admire Rove.