Dean says paying for primaries not the DNC's problem...they need money for the election.

[madfloridian]

They have tried their best to make Howard Dean look bad, the Florida and Michigan cabals. They really have tried. They bypassed him and went to the media. Now I think he will fight back.

I think he is about the only thing we have standing between us and the primary being over in Hillary's favor. He has stood firm in spite of the ridicule.

WASHINGTON - Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged Florida and Michigan party officials to come up with plans to repeat their presidential nominating contests so that their delegates can be counted.

"All they have to do is come before us with rules that fit into what they agreed to a year and a half ago, and then they'll be seated," Dean said during a round of interviews Thursday on network and cable TV news programs.

The two state parties will have to find the funds to pay for new contests without help from the national party, Dean said.

"We can't afford to do that. That's not our problem. We need our money to win the presidential race," he said.

TRUTH MATTERS.

From instigator to victim. It was a Dem who introduced the early primary bill in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1829

How it began last August....how Florida Democrats began their propaganda war
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

[madfloridian]

1. Oops, forgot the link.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble

[Kittycat]

2. I have to agree with this.

They broke the rules, and should pay if they want to set the record straight. As it is, money is being siphoned away from other democratic races, because of the huge donations being poured in for two democrats to fight against each other.

[madfloridian]

4. And money siphoned from the DNC 50 state plan so they can fight each other.

Money siphoned from fighting John McCain.

[Turn CO Blue]

18. And money siphoned from the interior states - 50 state strategy

if the DNC has to pay for the new elections. Not really what I was donating for...I'm donating to work against John McCain, regardless of the nominee.

Perhaps FL and MI can hold a fundraiser for a new primary? I would throw a few bucks their way - as long as the elections are completely fair and the ballots are hand-countable.

[madfloridian]

19. I don't care anymore.

I can not bear to see Hillary on TV now. We just change the channel.

[babylonsister]

3. Go, Dr. Dean! And thanks, madfloridian. nt

[Justitia]

5. The Clintons have NEVER cared about Our Party, they'll destroy it for their ambitions. -eom

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. CNN - Clinton News Network had a push poll r/e primaries

asking viewers if:

the DNC should pay for a re-do or
the state

no mention of making the Florida Democratic Party pay for this crap.

They aren't giving the public the truth, just a pack of lies.

[leftofcool]

7. Works for me

Let's just disenfranchize several million Dem voters in both states and have them vote for McCain in the GE. Ain't nothing like giving away the election.

[superkia]

16. So what do you suggest be done in this situation? Just curious.

[madfloridian]

17. No solutions offered...just blame Dean for what the states did wrong.

That's the pattern.

[leftofcool]

22. Did I mention in any sentence that I blamed Dean?

Try again

[madfloridian]

23. No, you try again. I am right out in the open with truth.

[superkia]

24. I Just think that there are only two options, follow the rules how...

they were set or make new dates for those states so every person counts, not just the ones that voted before when it wasn't supposed to count. As for paying for it, it should be the responsibility of whoever decided to break the rules that were set. I don't know all the info so I don't know who it was that broke the rules?

[madfloridian]

25. Thanks. Actually my reply was to the other person...

and I put it in the wrong place. Yes who broke the rules should pay, and it was Florida.

[leftofcool]

20. Re-vote in both states

but closed primaries, no rethugs

[superkia]

26. We agree on this one, that way everyones votes can be counted...

or at least placed. We all know how the counting goes within our election system.

[madfloridian]

28. Do you trust Florida with Kurt Browning in charge of elections?

Another Bush loyalist?

I am worried that there is no good way out.

Kurt doesn't want to follow the rules of the paper trail.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/06/State/Better_audits_are_sou.shtml

"With the presidential contest in full swing, voting reform advocates and Florida election officials are trying to develop a better way to monitor election results.

State officials agree that Florida's current audit provisions, adopted last year, don't go far enough. But they are wary of too hasty an overhaul during an election year already complicated by a move to the statewide use of optical scan voting equipment.

"The perception is that our elections process is very chaotic," said Secretary of State Kurt Browning. "I don't think this is the year to be making these type of changes."

[Independent-Voter]

33. Maybe, just maybe, those millions of voters should have been paying attention to their state reps

You think?

[superkia]

36. I think the fight for the people should have been waged all out...

back then instead of waiting until now for everyone to be outraged. It just makes you think that there was a plan to do it this way, I don't trust our election system one bit.

[LoZoccolo]

8. Once again, the firm, direct, but strategically oblivous route from Dr. Dean. n/t

[madfloridian]

11. And the obvious usual ploy from the Clintons.

Just grab the nomination over Dean's dead body.

[IsItJustMe]

9. I respect Howard Dean and I do think he will do the right thing regardless of the presure.

[madfloridian]

10. Wolfson sounds like the battle is on.

Hang on.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble

"Clinton campaign communications director Howard Wolfson said in a conference call with reporters Thursday that it's hard to envision a scenario where the Florida and Michigan delegations are not seated at the conventions.

That would send a "very unsettling signal to the people of those states," Wolfson said."

[DJ13]

12. One of Deans comments this morning was that he didnt want to...

...dienfranchise all the young voters who are supporting Obama by allowing those delegates to be seated.

I liked that, tells me he understands the importance of the large movement Obama has brought into the party.

[madfloridian]

15. Could you tell me what show that was?

I just have the article.

[ozone_man]

13. Stand your ground Dean.

Let Florida and Michigan pay for a primary, if they want one.

[madfloridian]

14. Dean: "The rules were set a year and a half ago"

From the same article:

Yes, the rules were set a long time ago.

"The rules were set a year and a half ago," Dean said. "Florida and Michigan voted for them, then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. Well, when you are in a contest you do need to abide by the rules. Everybody has to play by the rules out of respect for both campaigns and the other 48 states."

[RiverStone]

27. I'll KICK that

Even a 3rd grader gets this basic concept --- play by the rules.

Dean is doing (and saying) the right thing here. :applause:

[angie_love]

21. You GO DEAN!!!

Don't let those bullies push you around!!!

[madfloridian]

29. DNC has the video up of Dean on Morning Joe. Very good interview.

Very thorough. He is very clear on the rules.

http://dnc.org/a/2008/03/dean_on_morning.php

[death to the DLC]

30. Dr. Dean was on CNN this morning, 6:30 am,

and I swear he said the state parties were also offered money a year and a half ago and turned it down.

[madfloridian]

31. Yes, they were offered almost a million. They turned it down and laughed

at it. That offer is off the table.

[death to the DLC]

32. that's what I thought

thanks!:-)

[stillcool]

34. Madfloridian...I can't tell

from reading here, but are there many Floridians who are as informed as you about this? Are newspapers covering this with any accuracy?

[madfloridian]

35. No, the media here blames Dean. I have to search for the truth

on the set of tubes they call the internet.

[madfloridian]

37. Obama is leading now...Hillary can not catch up fairly...no good solution.

If the states do over, I hope Obama wins.

This has left me so very bitter. She can't win fairly. So her surrogates back Dean into a corner.

I hate the idea of a do-over.

[Renew Deal]

38. Howard Dean is a badass

I love him.

[Az_lefty]

39. why don't they have a caucus, it's cheaper.

[David Zephyr]

40. Chairman Dean plays it fair and square. The rules are the rules.

All of this corner cutting and back room attempt to break the rules is just not going to fly and it only makes Hillary's campaign look corrupt.

[madfloridian]

43. Yes, it does make her look bad.

Glad to see Dean speaking out.

[madfloridian]

41. If can't win the first time....try try again.

I hope Obama beats the hell out of her this time around.

I am royally pissed off at all Florida leaders, all of the Florida sheep Democrat who don't read the news on the internet...

and with Bill Nelson and all his congressional cohorts who sued.

[madfloridian]

42. Don't forget the lawsuit against Dean. Will be heard on March 17

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1871