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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:05 PM
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While we've been sleeping, California has been creeping
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:31 PM by thevoiceofreason
To Barack, that is.

Several weeks ago, someone posted a link about California's continuous recount.

http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5133

A brief synopsis. This blogger noted that CA-53 had switched from 3/2 Clinton to 3/2 Obama. This change would put California at 204-166 Clinton.

Well folks, the creeping continues. As you know, California selects 129 delegates at large, based upon the respective percentages earned among those who reached the 15% threshold. Obviously, the only ones to reach the threshold were Barack and Hillary.

At the time the blogger above posted, the at-large (not superdelegate) split was 71-58 Hillary.

GUESS WHAT!?! The recount/continued count has added numbers to both. The current count (available at the California Sec. of State website) is 2,553,784 for Hillary and 2,126,600 for Barack. That translates into a 45.4364% vs. 54.5636% split, respectively. Multiply that by 129 and, SHAZAAM, Barack has 58.61 and Hillary has 70.39. In other words, it's now 70-59 between the 2. Barack has picked up 1, she has lost 1. A net pickup of 2!!

And why in the hell does the NYTimes still show Hillary with a 207-163 California advantage??? Worse yet, CNN doesn't account for them all, showing 204-161.

:)

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/dcd/all.htm

Edit to add Cal sos web site and to fix spelling
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:08 PM
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1. wow how in the world did you catch that?
what does demcomwatch say?


NYT is always slow
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:11 PM
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4. A four hour conference call today
I had to have something to do since I contributed about 3 words. Ever since it appeared here a few weeks ago, I've checked in on it once a week.

Oh yeah, another thing. CA-50 now has a vote difference of only 330 or so. If it keeps up, it too will switch to 3/2 Obama.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:45 PM
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14. conference call with the campaign?
Has Demcomwatch changed its numbers?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:50 PM
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17. No - a business conference call
I wish the campaign! How fine would that be!
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:08 PM
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2. I had a feeling this would happen!
I worked election day and definitely felt the Obama vibe in my (red) precinct. Keep counting!!!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:10 PM
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3. Good to hear!!
Every day Clinton is losing delegates to extended counting and Obama is gaining delegates and super delegates.

I think by today Clinton's small gains on the 4th are effectively nullified. She is now MUCH worse than before the 4th.

Keep it up everyone! We are going to win this!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:12 PM
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5. Any idea about what's going on with those discarded Indy ballots in LA...
Does this include them?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:13 PM
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6. I heard the Cali SOS ordered them counted
Anyone have a link for that?
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:25 PM
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8. I heard she wanted them counted to the extent
of trying to understand what the voter intended. Whether or not they filled in the bubble, if they voted a dem ballot, that should be enough evidence to indicate their intent. They would have had to ask for a dem ballot. No link, though.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:48 PM
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16. NPR reported on a LA times source that said it resulted in a
+4000 for Hillary. So much for Republican cross overs helping Obama!!!

I could never find a confirmation in the LA papers

They had counted about 45,000 out of 50-60,000 and the deadline cut them off.
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:56 PM
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18. Links
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:58 PM by FedoraLV
I talked a little to Brad Friedman of BradBlog about this issue, it is being followed by his site:
<http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5763 >

And by the Courage Campaign:
<http://www.couragecampaign.org />

Check them both for updates.

Our SoS, Debra Bowen, is very alert about this issue: her office did not design or approve this ballot design and they worked to get the affected votes counted. (She herself had a difficult election.) I :loveya: her.)

-FedoraLV
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:16 PM
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7. I heard on radio that recount added to both, but did not change the delegates. That
was yesterday. Today may be a different story.

GOBAMA! Yes, Pecan!
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:27 PM
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9. Amazing news!
:woohoo:

I think you'll see the Texas creep too. So stop saying Clinton won Texas. She hasn't. The only thing we know is that on primary day the voting totals at the polls gave her a popular vote total. But based on the hybrid caucus system - Obama's chances of winning the delegate count look much better than hers.

Sonia
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:30 PM
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12. Sonia
I'm not saying that -- others are. We won Texas fair and square. Not our fault "the grown men" inside the Hillary camp were crying at the prospect of the Texas caucuses. We understood tham all along. And she and Bill participated in them thrice before (1972, 1992, and 1996). Taking it to the streets.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:27 PM
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10. GREAT! Let's petition the DNC that we must redo the California primary...

for some reason or other.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:29 PM
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11. This is the first pro-Obama post that states "the creep keeps coming"
Normally that's the sort of statement I reserve for my daughter's ex boyfriend.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:57 PM
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19. lol great
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:40 PM
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13. Sweeet!
Thank you for this great news! :bounce:
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:46 PM
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15. Thank God!
I was worried that my state had lost its friggin' mind!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:04 PM
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20. Great! Now, how about those NY votes???
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:05 PM
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21. my earlier post-Obama edges out Clinton-Butte County, CA-more Ds than Rs voted in Red County
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4926292

in what is normally a very red county, Dem votes outnumbered rep votes!!! that should have been the headline!!!

http://clerk-recorder.buttecounty.net/elections/archives/eln16/16_eln_main.html
total dem 30,705
total rep 29,809

http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_8470000

Obama edges out Clinton in Butte County in primary election
By ROGER H. AYLWORTH - Staff Writer
Article Launched: 03/06/2008 12:00:00 AM PST

Nearly a month after the February primary, the final official Butte County vote tally has come up with a local reversal.
On Feb. 5, the preliminary election-night total put Hillary Clinton ahead of Barack Obama in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

With 11,550 votes, Clinton led with 44.45 percent of the counted total, to Obama's 11,324 votes and 43.58 percent of the total.

However, when the election night vote count stopped at about 12:30 a.m. Wednesday, Feb. 6, there were roughly 11,480 late mail-in and provisional ballots remaining to be counted.

Final- Obama 13,906 votes or 45.29%
Clinton's 13,397 votes and 43.63% of Butte County total.
snip

McCain 11,089 votes and 37.2%
Romney's 10,607 votes and 35.58 percent.

..snip

When the final ballots were counted, a total of 68,010 people had voted for a total turnout of 57.09 percent.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:35 PM
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22. I firmly believe that if we had our primaries now
Obama would win California.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM
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24. I don't doubt that.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:32 AM
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31. I know it....
she won by the absentee ballots that we sent back before folks got to know him well there....and he still did damn good!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:42 PM
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23. The answer to you rlast question is this:
The media is beholden to a promise made between CIA Daddy George the Elder and the Clintons taht Hillary could have the election her way in 2008, in part as reward for her and Carville keeping the Presidency from Kerry.

This idea is not origianl - I am stealing it from Robert Parry

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:43 PM
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25. When our county here in NV had there convention last month, Obama picked up another, too
From previous Edwards' supporters.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:48 PM
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27. I hadn't heard that!
Has the msm (CNN, etc.) reflected that yet?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:18 PM
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29. I don't think so
just our local news mentioned it

I think when all is said and done, the numbers will have shifted
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:47 PM
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26. Enthusiastic K&R.
Thanks!
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:48 PM
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28. I'm here in cali and voted for edwards early before he dropped out. I would have voted obama as ...
would my friends and family so this doesn't surprise me at all.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:35 PM
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30. Update: FlaDem5 on dailykos says theCA numbers are final
203-167:

Net change +8 for Obama from what NYTimes says now.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:35 AM
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32. Sorry, Hon, I live in California and do not see that happening in spite of your link
Not after walking & talking amongst the people here
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:34 AM
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33. kick
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