Is Hillary a DINO?

[Renew Deal]

Poll question: Is Hillary a DINO?

Hillary said today:

And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,”...“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

[ingac70]

1. She's just like Lieberman and Zell Miller. n/t

[Renew Deal]

3. Zellary Clinterman

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. Hillary's not as bad as Z. MIller, but worse than J. Lieberman in terms of destroying our party.

[msallied]

2. DLC is synonymous with DINO.

[Tesha]

30. Bingo. (NT)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

4. sickening....

[Vinca]

5. What's with this woman pimping McCain?

If, heaven forbid, she's the candidate, he'll play her words right back at her. And, of course, she's already trashed Obama for the general.

[Deja Q]

28. Hmmm. Couler & Limbaugh prefer Hillary over McCain. Hillary likes McCain.

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[jgraz]

6. After losing Texas, she's a PHINO

Presidential Hopeful In Name Only.

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. Do you support this system?

"Many left caucuses before being counted"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4933360

[jgraz]

22. Both candidates knew what the system was before the campaigns started. Only one of them was ready.

Hillary screwed the pooch on these caucuses (and on the whole campaign, really). That's not the fault of the way Texas picks its delegates.

[rug]

7. Is this a followup to the Is Hillary a Traitor poll?

[Renew Deal]

9. I didn't see that one.

But this is more fair.

[tishaLA]

8. I voted no because

she's really quite progressive on some issues, especially those dealing with women and children. But, she is (what I will euphemistically call) unprogressive on things like national defense and foreign policy. I'd call her Janus-faced and leave it at that.

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[jgraz]

24. Please stop that shit.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or sincere, but it's fucking out of bounds either way.

[Midlodemocrat]

34. And you are a sexist asshole.

:puke:

[marlakay]

11. I think she just is a dem willing to get real dirty

to win...ugh....I don't understand how her supporters think this is a good thing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. She's A Dino

If DINO means going on gospel tours with gay, anti-gay gospel singers on the DL, opposing universal health insurance, and praising Ronald Reagan...

[Renew Deal]

19. Universal "health insurance" is straight up DINO

And how pro-gay is Billy Graham?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Did Billy Graham Say You Can Pray Away The Gay While Getting Fucked By Other Men On The Sly?

But I'm glad to see you are conceding that Obama is a DINO...You did say anybody that consorts with homophobes is one

That's progress...

Billy Graham is really a cheap shot...For better or worse, he's America's ceremonial preacher befriending every first family since the Trumans...

[BREMPRO]

15. HRC and McCain gangin up on the people's candidate.

They want to run against each other and the "behind the curtain" corporate powers and conflict hungry media are pushing it. Obama is more the risk to corporate power and influence. I'm so disgusted with HRC for taking the low road, spinning lies, and going to the Rove playbook. She can't technically win the nomination, so why is she going negative? Obama can't lose the delegate count, even with florida and michigan counted. SO why is HRC beating up on our nominee with LIES, and sleazy Rovian SPIN? IT appears she's made a choice, if she can't be the nominee, she would rather have McCain (her friend) than Obama in the White House. She's finally found her voice... and it's more right than left. more corporate than progressive. more hawk than dove. more lobbyist than citizen. This is War. Bama is going to have to learn to box, cause McCain will make the same arguments.

[Life Long Dem]

31. If she did get FL and MI delegates to her favor

what would she need for the remainder of states? I know it was at about 65% plus, in order to catch Obama but would it be the same with FL and MI?

[BREMPRO]

39. i've read that the most she could gain is 20 or so. not enough. n/t

but it won't happen because, there is NO WAY the delegates will be seated based on the primaries, especially in MI where Obama wasn't on the ballot (played by the rules) if the states redo, he'll likely lose some ground but not enough to pull her over the top.

[peace13]

16. I don't want to get into trouble but...

I think she is a rthug. Sorry. Peace, Kim Hussein

[DJ13]

17. Both Clintons are

Bill's record of supporting and passing GOP legislation as President is well known.

One of Hillary's first acts as Senator was to co-sponsor a bill (that failed) to protect banking interests from people filing bankruptcy by making ch7 bankruptcy nearly impossible to qualify for, which would have hurt millions of lower income people that were subject to preditory lending practices.

[DemGa]

20. Are you asking the "latte liberals"? Or the Democratic base?

The Dem base says Hillary's a Democrat.

[OnionPatch]

29. So we liberals who like good coffee are not real Democrats?

Wow. I've been a yellow dog my whole life and working for the Democratic party. But I am liberal and I sure love my fancy coffee. Here I was thinking I was a valid member of the party. Who knew?

[DemGa]

35. Well, you'll find some virulent "Hillary hate" in that latte liberal crowd

But overall, Hillary has very good Dem support. No doubt it's those latte liberals that would consider Hillary a DINO -- does that make one NOT a Democrat? That's debatable I suppose.

[americanstranger]

21. Nope.

I believe she's a closeted Republican.

- as

[Perry Logan]

23. It's settled--assholes think Hillary's a dino.

[Renew Deal]

43. Yes, like Gary Hart

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4949554&mesg_id=4949554

[Xithras]

26. She's DLC. Not quite DINO, but close.

She's an anti-populist progressive corporatist.

[housewolf]

27. No, but she IS sort of a Bush-Lite on foreign policy

But I don't think that qualifies her to be called a DINO. Her domestic policies are not DINO.

[THUNDER HANDS]

32. I see a resembelence?

[racaulk]

33. What a lovely, positive, and uplifting thread this has turned out to be!

:sarcasm:

:puke:

[New Dawn]

36. Definitely a DINO.

The same goes for Terry McAuliffe and James Carville.

[PresidentObama]

37. Only on DU. And fortunately enough for our party, DU doesn't matter in the big picture.

[Renew Deal]

38. So you agree with her?

Interesting.

[galadrium]

40. She attacks Democrats more than Republicans, sounds like a DINO to me

[zonmoy]

41. I suspect the only candidates left are the dino's

[Igel]

42. There's occasionally a similar kind of snarly question in the

Religion forum. "So and so isn't a Xian."

It comes down to what a "Xian" is. Is there some sort of document that defines what it is, one that doesn't need great skills to parse and apply? Is there a consensus definition? Or does it boil down to "Whoever says they're a Xian is a Xian." The "no true Scotsman" fallacy must be mentioned at this point, and the argument continues.

There's a Democratic Party platform. Find the average dem; I'd permit calling those more than two standard deviations from the norm "DINOs". Seems simple enough. HRC's a dem. BHO's a dem. (I also go with "Whoever says they're a Xian is a Xian," which, to my mind, makes the term pretty pointless, but there you have it.)

Some people like to form groups to reinforce their egos or self-worth. They obligatorily want to exclude others. Hence the problem with who's a Xian--it's seldom done to praise somebody without, at a minimum, dissing at least one other person, although it's often done simply to insult somebody.

Nobody can be both a uniter in the Obamaesque sense, I think, and be a party purifier.