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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:07 PM
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The MSM is gaming America about Hillary, just as they did with Bush
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:44 PM by ProSense

HALPERIN’S TAKE: The Dangers Which Might Await Obama If He Makes Negative Attacks Central To His Campaign



In the last few days, Obama and his senior staff have been open about their intention to raise all sorts of personal issues against the Clintons. They have even started that process by, for instance, calling for the Clintons to release their tax returns immediately, before the April 15 date Clinton’s campaign has promised. He is also bringing up his rival’s policy and biographical background in a negative way as well.

It is understandable why the Obama team wants to go negative, even while such a tactic conflicts with the senator’s frequent statements that he planned to run a different kind of campaign. Clinton’s recent hammering of Obama’s personal missteps and professional weaknesses (national security readiness, the flap over Obama’s top economic adviser talking to Canadian officials about NAFTA, the criminal trial of former Obama fundraiser Tony Rezko) seems to have helped her win primaries in Ohio and Texas. Those victories have at least temporarily staunched the tide of Obama Inevitability, much to the dismay of his staff and supporters, who have become cozily accustomed to success.

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But now it appears the campaign wants to make negative attacks, including those launched directly from the candidate himself, a more central part of its message.

Here’s why that is politically dangerous:

1. It takes him off his principal message of change, hope, and inspiration.

2. It could conflict with his message of rejecting the “old” politics of negativity and polarization, which clearly has appealed to many voters.

3. He might not be as adept at negative politics on the national stage as he thinks he is.

4. When you wrestle in the mud of negative campaigning, you get dirty.

5. Early on, Obama pledged to fire anyone on his staff who engaged in the kind of personal attacks his senior advisers are now openly launching on a daily basis.

6 As John Kerry learned in 2004 against George W. Bush, negative information about the lesser-known candidate tends to have a bigger impact on voters—it represents a higher percentage of the total information voters have about a candidate who is still introducing himself to the country — as compared to an incumbent or, like Clinton, a “quasi-incumbent” whose image has already been formed.

7. It could politically free up Clinton to engage in even more negative attacks, either on national security credentials or of a personal nature (and that Clinton machine is ruthless and ready).

8. Clinton usually does well when she’s perceived as a victim of a bullying man (both in terms of private resolve and public sympathy).

9. By attacking Clinton during a period when he is particularly vulnerable on the Tony Rezko case, NAFTA, and other unseemly matters, Obama risks more unfavorable scrutiny directed at him (especially during a period when Clinton is on a roll, given her charming appearances on late-night comedy shows, her comeback kid excitement, and her refreshed media confidence).

10. It could look and feel desperate — already Obama’s affronted reaction to those newly tough, “like, eight questions” last week made him seem rather naive and peevish; add cutthroat to that image, and Obama could have a bigger problem than he is trying to solve by changing strategies.

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What. The. Fuck?

So Hillary goes Rove, Obama gets tough, and he is pictured with Hillary's main media shill James Carville? And Rove?

Hillary, over the past few days:

Video, Hillary: Thank you Karl

Latest Clinton tactic: Fake news reports

The Clinton campaign's latest tactic in Ohio is, apparently, a radio ad that tries to make listeners think it's a news report until the very end.

Stuff like this, if it succeeds in fooling voters, fairly seriously pollutes the information environment by trying to steal the credibility of the news media and use it to present a biased, exagerrated set of facts. Why can't we rely on people who want to be president to not engage in the kind of creepy behavior that you teach your kids not to do?

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NATFA lies and hypocrisy

Drug dealer, fairy tale, imaginary hip black friend, gang bang, cult, shuck-and-jive, Hispanics don't vote for black people, Obama is Somalian, Obama meets with former terrorists, all from Hillary's campaign and surrogates.

In a Cabinet-style setting, surrounded by retired military leaders, Sen. Hillary Clinton said the public should ask whether Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama has met the criteria needed to become the nation’s commander in chief.

“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”

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(emphasis added)

A "critical criterion"? So is she suggesting that if she is not the nominee, Democrats should consider McCain?

Unbelievable!

Clinton aide compares Obama to Ken Starr

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, taking the campaign a bit meta on a conference call today, attacked Obama for attacking Clinton, and compared him to a notorious Clinton foe.

"When Senator Obama was confronted with questions over whether he was ready to be Commander-in-Chief and steward of the economy, he chose not to address those questions, but to attack Senator Clinton," Wolfson said. "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president."

Wolfson was attacking Obama's explicit strategy, in the wake of his March 4 losses, to attack elements of Clinton's record on the grounds of secrecy, and to revisit the questions raised by Clinton foes in the 1990s and earlier. Obama has demanded Clinton's tax returns, cited delays in releasing her White House schedules, and even made reference to trades in cattle futures in the late 1970s that became a subject of allegations during the White House years.

Wolfson also responded to the substance of Obama's complaint, that Clinton hasn't released her recent tax returns, and to the reminder today that Clinton (via Wolfson) attacked her 2000 Senate rival, Rick Lazio, for failing to release his tax returns.

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Oh, lookie: most media pundits agree the press (they) are tougher on Hillary. How friggin convenient!

The claim that the MSM is unfair to Hillary is a game. They're gaming the public in the same way they did with Bush.

The media organizations aren't fair to Democrats. They spin and distort all Democrats. Look at what happened to Pelosi when she went to Syria (with Republicans). Hillary gets more negative press because she has more out there: from her past (money dealings) to her exposed distortions to Obama winning.

For example, Rudy Giuliani had no business being a leading national candidate. His entire appeal and strength was media hype. Yet if you look at an analysis of media reports, they show more negative stories about Giuliani (when he was in) than even Hillary, given that overall she received more coverage. The reason Giuliani gets more negative press than Hillary is not because the media hates him, it's because he says ridiculous things and is more corrupt. On the positive press, the best example is after Bhutto's assassination. Within 24 hours, at least two media organizations (one was the WSJ) claimed the killing was a positive for Giuliani (a candidate who couldn't even get 6% of his party's vote) on his 9/11 strength (a myth).

Here is why complaining about media unfairness toward Hillary is ludicrous

Then there is the Clintons' buddy Vin Gupta:

Info U.S.A.'s CEO is Vinod Gupta, a close ally of both Clintons. Gupta's empire also includes the Opinion Research Corporation, which conducts the political polling for the television network CNN.


CNN's question: Obama's patriotism



I've got to say, I've never seen a reader poll like this on a mainstream media website (or, to be honest, a right-wing blog). This is currently on CNN.com.

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Tuesday changed nothing. The delegate wins sere split two states each for Obama and Clinton. Texas was so close in the popular vote that with 2.7 million votes cast, Hillary won 1.4 million, and Obama 1.3 million. Time for a cover story:



The NYT was exposed for trying to pass off the video clip of Obama adivsor Susan Rice without any context and updated the piece:

Update: Readers have been asking (we hear you!) for the full context of Ms. Rice’s remarks. Here’s a transcript from her appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show on MSNBC in terms of what was asked and said about the 3 a.m. phone call.


Yeah, "we hear you!" You're full of shit MSM!





Edited to add the link to Giuliani/Bhutto info, and typos.

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:09 PM
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1. did you put this post together yourself ProSense?
WOW what a great thread
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:16 PM
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4. She always puts up great threads.
The woman is a powerhouse researcher.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:25 PM
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9. are ALL the superstars here girls?
sweeet

:)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:46 PM
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16. Thanks
all. If I only had a proofreader. :)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 PM
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2. Beyond frustrating. Kick, rec'd, and bookmarked.
:grr:
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:13 PM
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3. Thanks for all the time you take...
for these terrific put-together posts. I always look forward to them.

K&R
:kick:
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:18 PM
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5. Nice post but I could have saved you a ton of work. Hillary is...
going to be the next president of the US. It doesn't matter what Obama does or doesn't do.

TBTB decided she would be president, as they decided Chimpy McFlightsuit would be president. All this BULLSHIT is nothing but window dressing.

The REAL race was over long ago. and Hillary won.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 PM
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6. Please provide proof that Hillary won.
I'm waiting....

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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8. or show us some way she can LEGALLY
win the nomination-especially after she loses these next two primaries
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 PM
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10. Is GWB president? Do you need a road map? This is America...
your vote amounts to shit. Diebold is told who is president and they come up with the numbers to support it.

As Stalin said, it's the people who count the votes who matter.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:39 PM
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12. Well wouldn't it be a shocker to everyone if Obama won the Dem
nom legally. Then what will they do? Diebold won't be involved at that point.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:40 PM
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13. Think not? Guess again, DIEBOLD was used in my primary.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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7. Hillary is giving me the same sick to the stomach
feeling that Bush did during his 'elections' - the way she is carrying on.

good cripes, how can anyone who calls themselves a democrat, or especially a progressive one, condone her behaviour in this campaign? I just dont' get it.

Why the Hell would we want a Bush-lite in there? she is of the same dirty cloth as the Roves and Bushes, she has no shame, only ambition, and she doesn't give a fuck who she or what she tramples along the way.

What a despicable piece of shit. Never would I have thought that I could feel so strongly against her as I do now - I truly despise her as much as any repug that has been torn limb from limb on this board.

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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:36 PM
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11. You can call her one more thing: A WINNER.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:40 PM
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14. She's losing right now
lost more states and the pledged delegate count. Neither one of those is going to change.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:25 PM
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30. Dream on, the people who OFFICIALLY count the votes are the only...
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 05:26 PM by greyghost
ones who matter. Your math doesn't mean shit, nor does the medias.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:41 PM
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15. More appropriate: WHINER
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:17 AM
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19. if that's what you call a winner, have it.
and suffer by it.
you will not see anything positive from her, you will just see the same old wrapped in the same cloth of power hungry, money grubbing warmongering that i thought was so distained here.

I am sickened. vomitus.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:21 PM
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29. Welcome to America it's;
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 05:22 PM by greyghost
power hungry, money grubbing, warmongering.

You've described the ruling class of this country to a tee.

You hold out hope that Obama is different, good luck.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:35 PM
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32. only if you do NOT buy into truth. bah hahahah you are funny n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 05:36 PM by seabeyond
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:34 PM
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31. feeling that Bush did during his 'elections' ... yup. and her supporters feel like his
too

i dont want four more years.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 08:43 PM
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17. Desperate Clinton crosses 'the Joe Lieberman threshold'
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:03 AM
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18. KO and JM
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:10 AM
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20. Like it or not
Obama will have a very difficult time going negative. Once America sees him as an "angry black man" you can throw his political career out the window.

Hillary, meanwhile, actually seems to benefit by acting like she's gone off her meds. It drives her sympathy vote up even more, and sympathy's just about the only thing she's got going for her.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:24 AM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:25 AM
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38. OK..... I hope you're joking.
There's a reason I put "angry black man" in quotes, and it wasn't because of racism. It's because that's how he'll be portrayed if he goes too negative. I can't believe you'd accuse someone of being racist for pointing that out. I've supported Obama since he declared that he was running. I don't like being called a racist and I'm alerting on your comment.

My point was, Hillary has much more leeway. She can act batshit crazy and people just feel sorry for her. Do you honestly think Obama could get away with acting like she has? People would accuse him of being on crack.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:52 AM
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39. Well,
I responded early this morning, and thought your comment was critical of both candidates. I guess I read it wrong: my first thought was that you were a freeper. I see your point. I don't think Obama has any intention of going negative or engaging in smear. I do thing he will get tougher and respond with the facts.

My apology!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:14 AM
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22. From the Crack News Network

Defeats puncture the Obama bubble

By CNN's Jonathan Mann

(CNN) -- It was a bubble and it burst.

The growing American infatuation with Barack Obama had to pop eventually and this week, the cult of personality finally got punctured.

Obama's run for the presidency is hardly over, but it's a little deflated. For now, the fun is over and the fight is on.

Looking back, the Illinois senator with the illuminated smile had it pretty good. The media were gentle and admiring, party leaders felt pressure to embrace him, and ordinary Democrats got more excited about him than any politician in at least a decade.

Cute new catch-phrases made the rounds about "Oba-mania" and America's new "Barack-star."

Obama won 11 consecutive primaries and caucuses, and he won again this week in the state of Vermont.

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But the damage is done. Obama's winning streak is over. The competition for the Democratic nomination will continue and now get more complicated:

Obama is still ahead in the number of delegates who will choose the party's nominee but Clinton is close behind. The near-tie may last for weeks or even months of hard and nasty campaigning.

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Damage?

Momemtum





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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:21 AM
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48. Don't the Saudi's have the controlling share in CNN?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:26 AM by maryallen
Huh, Jonathon Mann? Trying to please the big bosses?

And weren't the Saudi's and the Emir of Dubai the largest contributors to the Clinton Library?

Wonder if that's the reason Hil doesn't want to release her tax returns?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:27 PM
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23. NYT does Hillary's dirty work in report about Power's resignation
The comments came as feelings intensify and harden between Clinton and Obama loyalists in the protracted fight for the Democratic presidential nomination. And her misstep came on the heels of the controversy involving another Obama adviser whose remarks to Canadian officials about Nafta drew heated criticisms from Senator Clinton’s campaign for days before the Ohio primary.

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:02 PM
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24. Exactly and thank you, ProSense. The thread title says it all.
And only after they get done assuring her nomination will they lustily shake out all her junk and get back to another 8 years of good times under the Bush 2.0 WH. They'll make an easy lunch of her. Republicans know it. The Corporate Whore Media knows it. It's only fervent Hillary suuporters that don't seem to know it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:30 PM
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25. We are to believe that Hillary is running a normal campaign.
It's just politics when Hillary goes Rovian.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:25 PM
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26. OMG, Hillary launches DEFCON 5 whine

Clinton: "He's attacked me continuously"

Clinton, in Mississippi, piled on the Samantha Power's comments:

This is the latest example of promising the American people one thing on the campaign trail and telling people in other countries another,” she said. “You saw this with Nafta as well.

“He’s attacked me continuously for having no hard exit date, and now we learn he doesn’t have one. In fact, he doesn’t have a plan at all, according to his top foreign policy adviser. He keeps telling people one thing, while his campaign tells people abroad something else. I’m not sure what the american people should believe," she said.

In fact, Clinton and Obama are more or less in the same position in terms of loudly promising withdrawal, but acknowledging, when pressed, that facts on the ground could delay it. Power's "best case scenario" line, though, seemed to go a bit beyond that.


Attack for not having an exit date?

Olbermann: "Hillary is NUTS" (Video)

Warlord

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:35 PM
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27. Did she really just say "You saw this with NAFTA as well." ?
OH wow. She's good. In a very demonic Orwellian, sort of way....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:47 PM
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28. Agree, but
the word "good" shouldn't be in there at all.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:38 PM
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33. bush did that too. we would find something on him and he continued on as if was never there
i am just amazed how bush and clinton has merged to one. must have been all the time they spent together while bill became mama bush's son
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:10 PM
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34. Bush has paid no consequences. They've studied him and his Machiavellian pals quite well.
The Clintons are a lot of things, but not stupid. They learn fast and quite shrewdly. Why reinvent the wheel, when the self-serving objective is dynasty and power at_any_price.... and the blueprint for such success is so obviously right in front of your eyes? Welcome to the Titanic. Same deck. Same chairs, barely shifted.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 06:15 PM
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35. but much easier recognized cause we have had it for 8 yrs. look at all the dems speaking out
and we are the "good" party. it is ours to stop. here and now. make it clear this is not ok in our party
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 01:38 AM
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40. Played over and over again. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:34 PM
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36. And now a word from the guy who stabbed Howard Dean in the back


On CNN’s “The Situation Room,” Clinton backer pledges to put up $15 mil from the Clinton campaign, suggests Obama should do the same so state can have June 7 contests.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:24 PM
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37. Hillary can't catch up so what does the media write
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:38 AM
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41. kicking n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:49 PM
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42. Breaking From CNN: Republican Says Bad Things About Obama
Breaking From CNN: Republican Says Bad Things About Obama

The patriotism poll didn't work so let's spin BS.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 PM
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43. OK, Let's Total It Up

OK, Let's Total It Up

by Granny Doc
Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:17:31 PM PST

This diary is intended for the media. I want to compile every misstatement, misrepresentation, and just plain election changing duplicity that we know of, to this point.

I will list those things that get my goat and I encourage you to add your findings, in the comments section.

Then, if you feel it to be worth while, recommend this diary so that as many people as possible can join in the slam fest. <g>

  1. Barack Obama won the delegate race in Texas by picking up 4 more delegates than Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton did NOT win Texas, inspite of CNN's constant repetition of her "3 state sweep" meme. The results of last Tuesday were Clinton 2 states (Ohio and Rhode Island), and Obama 2 (Vermont and Texas). Each candidate won one large and one small state. It was a tie.

    (I am using a technique of small words, oft repeated, because they keep telling us how complicated it is, how we don't understand, and how unfair this damned caucus process is. In other words they're stupid so we must be stupid too.)

  2. NAFTA-gate is a prime example of chanting the media line, having settled on a script and being unwilling to adjust that script, in spite of the many conflicting bits of information that keep leaking out of the Canadian Government. Senator Obama's unpaid campaign economic advisor told the Canadian consulate that the Senator was not going to abandon NAFTA, but would require renegotation of several aspects of the treaty.

    Someone took some variant of "minutes" of that conversation which were then leaked as a "memo" at the instigation of a fellow in the Prime Minister's office. When challenged PM Stephen Harper denied any intentions to interfer with the US elections. Turns out that was not true. Those minutes were written to contain statements that all of the principles have denied, but served to give a boost to uninformed voters who favor the Clinton campaign.

  3. The Clinton campaign has cast this primary as one of experience. Senator Clinton has no more experience with the day to day details of running the Executive Office than any other Presidential spouse. Standing around with Chelsea while dance groups perform in exotic costumes, staying in palaces, and using the military and Secret Service agencies in droves to protect their persons, and generally making her way around the stage of public appearances, is NOT experience in executive management. It does provide diplomatic experience, however. Maybe Hillary could be made Ambassador to Urdustan?

  4. Hillary Clinton has brow beaten the media into recasting her failures as success. Hillary Clinton does not lead in the popular vote, she did not win Michigan, as she was the only name on the ballot, and her name recognition in Florida (in early January) does not constitute a "win". Given that tens of thousands of voters did not participate in either state since they knew that the primaries, and subsequent delegate selections, would not count at the convention, to claim these as wins is the height of arrogance. Senator Clinton spins reality with the same lack of respect for truth as George Bush. And, the media continues to repeat her fantasies, unquestioningly.

  5. Hillary Clinton is the ultimate example of the "old politics". She brings nothing new to the table. She has been in the pocket of big pharma, the health insurance industry, and the MIC for the past 20 years. She has taken much of her financing from these industries, and she will not be able to effect change that cuts off the spigot to the contracts, activities, and control of the legislative agenda, that these power players demand. Her compaign is working valiently to conceal and distort this record, and present Ms. Clinton as an agent of "change". Can't happen, media. Get out there and track down her real history. Not just the spin of Penn and Wolfson.

You are failing us once again.

You screwed around with your love affair with George Bush, destroyed Al Gore, and are directly responsible for the past 7 years of horror. It's on your head. But, you can redeem yourselves, if you revert to journalism, rather than these Heather infatuations that float your boat.




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:09 PM
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44. None dare call it incompetence

Sniping Within Campaign Tarnishes Clinton’s Image

By ADAM NAGOURNEY, PATRICK HEALY and KATE ZERNIKE
Published: March 10, 2008

This article is by Adam Nagourney, Patrick Healy and Kate Zernike.

<...>

But even as Mrs. Clinton revived her fortunes last week with victories in Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas, the questions lingered about how she managed her campaign, with the internal sniping and second-guessing undermining her well-cultivated image as a steady-at-the-wheel chief executive surrounded by a phalanx of loyal and efficient aides.

“She hasn’t managed anything as complex as this before; that’s the problem with senators,” said James A. Thurber, a professor of government at American University who is an expert on presidential management. “She wasn’t as decisive as she should have been. And it’s a legitimate question to ask: Under great pressure from two different factions, can she make some hard decisions and move ahead? It seems to just fester. She doesn’t seem to know how to stop it or want to stop it.”

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Still, interviews with campaign aides, associates and friends suggest that Mrs. Clinton, at least until February, was a detached manager. Juggling the demands of being a candidate, she paid little attention to detail, delegated decisions large and small and deferred to advisers on critical questions. Mrs. Clinton accepted — or seemed unaware of — the intense factionalism and feuding that often paralyzed her campaign and that prevented her aides from reaching consensus on basic questions like what states to fight in and how to go after Mr. Obama, of Illinois.

Mrs. Clinton showed a tendency toward an insular management style, relying on a coterie of aides who have worked for her for years, her aides and associates said. Her choice of lieutenants — and her insistence on staying with them even when friends urged her to shake things up — was blamed by some associates for the campaign’s woes. Again and again, the senator was portrayed as a manager who valued loyalty and familiarity over experience and expertise.

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Hillary didn't win Texas!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:15 AM
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45. Lost in the media hype about Hillary and PA, another big state

Big turnout anticipated for primary

Democrats spur interest

By Mike Hixenbaugh
Rocky Mount Telegram

Monday, March 10, 2008

Thanks to the ongoing race for the Democratic presidential nomination, voters in North Carolina likely will have a say in nominating a presidential candidate for the first time in more than two decades.

That could be enough to break a record for voter turnout in the spring, officials from the N.C. State Board of Elections said Friday.

In addition, the mass turnout might define several other state and local races, political experts are saying.

The intense interest in the race between U.S. Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has drawn staggering numbers of young people, blacks and women to the polls in each state primary so far.

By all indications, the same will happen in North Carolina.

"North Carolina primaries have not had a significant impact in decades," said East Carolina University political science professor Peter Francia. "This is abnormal and a breath of fresh air for voters in North Carolina."

With 134 delegates, North Carolina's May 6 primary will be the largest prize remaining for the two delegate-thirsty candidates following the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:13 AM
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46. Q. Why can't the MSM get the story right?
* Last week probably wasn’t Obama’s best week ever (losses on Tuesday, the Samantha Power flap), but Markos makes the case that as bad weeks go, Obama’s was pretty good. Clinton had a net gain of about four in pledged delegates for the week, while Obama picked up the support of 12 superdelegates to Clinton’s four.

* On a related note, the Wall Street Journal reported on a California blogger who noticed that Clinton’s delegate wins in the Golden State were apparently exaggerated a little: “David Dayen, who blogs at the site Calitics … wrote last week that Sen. Clinton won 203 of the state’s 370 pledged delegates — and not the commonly reported total of 207. He relied on updated vote totals from the state, based on late counts of absentee and provisional ballots. Later, when he noticed that several major news organizations still were showing Sen. Clinton with 207 delegates, he wrote a follow-up post explaining his calculation and exhorting, ‘I know math is hard and everything, but get out your calculators, people.’” A spokesman for the state party confirmed Dayen’s numbers

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A. Because they don't want to.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:14 AM
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47. It's in their corporate masters best interests not to
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:22 PM
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49. This is rich, now "Clinton bloggers" are whining

The Clinton bloggers

The Internet, you may have noticed, is Obama country, the Ron Paul folks having more or less melted back into the populace.

Tom Watson, a rare blogger who backs Clinton, has a funny riff on the predicament of his particular minority:

To be a Clinton blogger in the progressive blogosphere is to be hated, shunned, passed without notice in the street. We sit home on Friday nights, cursing at Chris Matthews and being censored by Al Giordano for commenting too often in a field of swaying Obama supplication. We're not welcome at all the best dKos parties - if we show up, we're cursed with the universal epithet of those who challenge the Obama hegemony: "troll," they call us. Sometimes "f'ing troll." We're Rovian in our embrace of the monster, closet Bush backers and much worse - Lieberman types! Oh, the pain. The pure pain. I can't stand it. Makes me want to quit, embrace that messianic goodness, and stand down - for the sake of the party, of course - from any pursuit of a Clinton presidency.

He promises "a limited edition Peter Daou bobblehead doll" for sightings of other Clinton bloggers.


That there are entire blogs devoted to all things Hillary, including the despicable Hillaryis44, doesn't seem to register with this whiner.

Even funnier a comment:

Where's my bobblehead doll, you misogynist!

Posted By: Taylor Marsh | March 11, 2008 at 01:04 PM


Classic! Taylor Marsh whining!

Hilarious!




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:46 PM
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50. Hillary has run one of the weakest most ineffective campaigns boosted by
the media, stubborn whiners and dirty politics.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:57 PM
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51. The NYT (remember they endorsed Hillary) blog
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:29 PM
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52. How does a major donor to Hillary's campaign get indicted and it's not all over the news?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 05:17 PM
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53. More on InfoUSA
On Friday, infoUSA said its 2007 annual report will not be filed by a March 17 due date. The company said the report will be late because of an ongoing Securities and Exchange Commission investigation and a shareholder lawsuit.

The SEC is investigating entertainment expenditures and certain stock trades. And a lawsuit filed by Cardinal Value Equity Partners and hedge fund Dolphin LP alleges that infoUSA founder Vin Gupta used private corporate jets to fly Bill and Hillary Clinton on business, personal and campaign trips, questions why Gupta gave Bill Clinton a $3.3 million consulting contract and asks why the company paid for extravagant luxuries Gupta enjoyed.

News of the delayed filing led Moody's Investors Services and Standard & Poor's Ratings Services to consider a downgrade.

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