Clinton Campaign May Challenge TX Caucus Results

[NightOwwl]

Texas in second day of counting caucus results

Election officials in Texas have resumed counting votes from Tuesday's caucuses after overwhelming turnout pushed the caucuses later than expected.

Clinton's campaign, meanwhile, says it may challenge the state's caucus results, citing what they call "hundreds of complaints" of mischief caused by the Obama campaign at caucus, The Associated Press reported.Clinton officials cite evidence that Obama supporters illegally obtained caucus packets in several precincts throughout the state.

Under caucus rules, whomever has the packet is placed in charge of the caucus. They also say Obama supporters locked Clinton voters out of several caucuses, the AP reported.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/05/texas.caucus.count/index.html

Sickened and disgusted doesn't begin to explain how I feel right now.

ETA: It's Clinton I'm disgusted with, not Obama.

Thought that needed clarification.

[saracat]

1. Good for Clinton.This has got to stop. This was reported at the other

caucus as well.I have a friend who saw it being done. She said she was beyond disgusted.

[KittyWampus]

2. where were you while results were coming in Nevada. What hypocrites.

[joshcryer]

52. I can vouch for saracat.

They're not the type to be hypocritical on voter issues.

BTW, if you don't think there was a legitimate concern about union coercion then I don't know what to say.

[rodeodance]

59. TALK about hypocritcal--leave her alone! Evidence points to O. camp ILLEGALITIES!

[tabatha]

5. Well, there were reports of bad goings on in Nevada -

with both sides threatening lawsuits.

[NightOwwl]

14. Good for Clinton?

For what? For sleazy win-at-all cost tactics?

What a bunch of bullshitting, crying, whining losers.

[juajen]

37. See how things change? We made fun of Gore and Kerry

when they would not stand up for their rights and challenge the vote, or wouldn't take it far enough; but, let the little torpedo do it and all hell breaks loose. What a bunch of cards! Go, torpedo, Go!

[Binka]

29. You? A Strong Edwards Supporter? Now Shilling For Hillary?

:wtf: I have my own personal feelings about why you are doing this and they are UGLY. SHAME on you. Shame. John would be disgusted too.

[saracat]

44. That is uncalled for Binka. I do not like what I have learned about Obama.

Hillary was not my first choice but at leat she has John's healthcare plan and is more interested in poverty than Obama.You did notice that John hasn't endorsed Obama either haven't you?

[donheld]

55. Saracat you've done nothing but shill for Hill for a long long time

Stop hiding from that fact.

[saracat]

67. I hide from nothing. I am an Edwards supporter who switched to Hillary

after John suspended.I made my choice after careful analysis of the two remaining candidates. No one was more surprised than myself to fine me in Hillary's camp.If you read any earlier postings you will find I was not always very kind to Senator Clinton. She has her faults but unlike those who idolize Obama , I admit them. I suggest a real objective investigation of Obama's campaign tactics in Illinois would change a lot of opinions but I know most are even unwilling to ask the questions.Add to that the conduct of the Obama campaign in Iowa , SC, and Nevada as witnessed by the Edwards Campaign and you might figure out why many Edwards supporters aren't thrilled with BHO.

[joshcryer]

53. John would be disgusted for wanting the person with mostly the same policies as him?

Amazing.

[JackORoses]

36. She got housed. Deal with it.

[hueyshort]

42. Clinton should use this in her campaigning

I wonder how many of the Texas Obamaniacs came from other states?

[C_U_L8R]

3. Cheaters never prosper

and no one likes a poor sport.
Tell that to your mama.

GOBAMA!

[saracat]

8. Thats right and Obama cheated.

[C_U_L8R]

12. i say baloney

but lets see if you are right about that okay
lets see proof

[saracat]

13. I trust my friends who were there. They have no reason to lie.

I hope this caucus nonsense stops.

[C_U_L8R]

16. that's not proof... sorry

[saracat]

18. It is to me. I don't expect it to be for you. I hope someone has pictures or a tape.

The Edwards Campaign is rumoured to have some evidence of tampering in Iowa.

[jackson_dem]

49. Yup, Obama still lost Florida by 300,000 votes

[John Q. Citizen]

4. Good! Now the press will start reporting the truth, that Obama won Texas! Happy day!

[saracat]

9. I think not but maybe ,at last ,someone will see the gutter politcs Obama engages in

while pretending to be "above the fray".

[John Q. Citizen]

19. So your argument is that Obama will have no trouble defeating McCain? I agree.

[saracat]

27. Nope. Just being in the gutter won't give him credibility.

[Binka]

34. Obama Is In The Gutter?

You are a piece of work. Welcome to ignore. You are full of shit.

[hueyshort]

43. Obama has been smearing HRC in the blogs for months

with posts like yours.

[cali]

62. I'll ditto that

I have a memory.

[rodeodance]

60. Changing the topic is very Rovian and RUDE!!

[tishaLA]

6. Oh dear gawd

what a bunch of whiners. Just suck it up, kids. The campaign goes on.

[TheDonkey]

7. Good, now maybe the MSM will correctly call TX for Obama now and put the spotlight on that

[HooptieWagon]

10. of course they will, did you expect they wouldn't

Hillary, pls call 911-WAAHHHBULAAANCE

[Avalux]

11. Clinton's claims are bullshit.

I can't believe this crap - when will she shut her fucking mouth and FOLLOW THE RULES???

[Medusa]

21. You didn't get the memo? Rules don't apply to her

party loyalty means nothing either. It's all about getting what she wants, any way she can.

[boppers]

32. RULES DON'T COUNT.

Sometimes.

[1776Forever]

15. Think about this - If someone continues to cry Wolf too much & then something really happens

No one is going to be listening! Hillary has complained throughout this campaign and nothing has stuck. I think she is just trying to win by any means possible!!!

[MagickMuffin]

17. Didn't Hillary herself tell 200 Supporters in San Antonio to do the thing is she accusing Barack

supporters to doing?.?.?

I remember seeing the thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4842509

I spoke to my precinct election judge at 3:00 about getting the packet @ 7:15 (when I learned our precinct chair was not going to be there) not a minute sooner. She said that I could get the packet when everyone had finished voting in the primary.

After the primary was over she still refused to hand over the packet. I finally got it over 8:30.

I got someone from both campaigns to run the precinct convention, which was the fair thing to do, IMHO.

[seabeyond]

35. probably. it is what bushco/rove would do. they have taught her well. n/t

[u2spirit]

20. Clinton can Lawyer all she wants

If she's not competent enough to do anything but WHINE about every single freaking caucus being unfair,she shouldn't have run for the presidency. If her campaign can't have their shit together by march of '08 she should shut the hell up!

[KAZ]

22. Clinton POS. Hate the whole lot of them.

[AZBlue]

23. WAAAAHHHHH! I hear the caucuses may give Obama the state!!

It's mine, MINNNNNNNNNEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[usregimechange]

24. Because she is losing in the caucus...

[laconicsax]

25. Video proof!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj1lx79wiNc

[Zachstar]

47. Damn! Rick Roll'd!

[stop the bleeding]

26. Fuck and you people are surprised by this?

Of course there will be litigation, shit things are going downhill by the minute.

I can not wait to hear the new spin come out on Friday:sarcasm:

[Cha]

28. Bullshit, hilary..I don't believe a

goddamn word comin' outta your fucking teeth.

Prove it!

[Binka]

40. Hillary Is A Shit

The fucking Clinton show must be stopped. I've had it with their narcissism. FUCK THEM. They are LIARS and fucking CREEPS. Fuck off Clinton's.

[IndianaGreen]

45. Hillary is more than a shit, she is a McCainiac

She would rather see McCain in the White House than anyone other than herself.

[rodeodance]

61. Name-calling--how immature of you

[barack the house]

30. I hoep Texan voters challange her right back they don't liek to be over ruled.

[Jamastiene]

41. You are repeating yourself.

:rofl:

[barack the house]

I hoep Texan voters challange her right back they don't liek to be over ruled.

[barack the house]

31. I hope Texan voters challange HRC right back they don't like to be over ruled.

[seabeyond]

33. oh bullshit. i was in a number of areas and both hilary and obama got along swell

there was no animosity and we were all feeling good just having a fellow dem around. no separation. only laughing and fun. we had a lady running it wearing a hillary pin and a man with obama sweatshirt. everyone treat everyone fine.

[Zachstar]

38. Unless Clinton makes it clear she will not sue and she somehow wins the nomination.

I think we mise well just fully expect Texas to be QUITE red in the election come November...

It is a simple fact that you do not mess with texas.

And Clinton... In case you have not noticed??? You did not win big in texas.... Even before the caucus results are in you lead with only what? 4-5 delegates?

Clinton are you willing to throw away Texas (And likely the entire ArkLaTex as the 3 together will feel quite alienated by this) come November Over 10 or so net delegates? Which will quickly be ruined as news of such alienation spreads to states down the line?

Yes.. Yes.. I know!! I am quite the fucking dumbass for going against my own wish that Clinton be politically destroyed for what she pulled before Ohio... Yet I just can't.. hold.. it.. BACK!! It is stupid!! It is making the job of exposing her TOO DAMN EASY!!!

[Barack_America]

39. Wait, didn't Hillary personally brief her own volunteers about seizing the packets...

...and thus seizing control of the caucus.

Didn't she personally instruct them to do this?

So why the fuss if the Obama people did it?

[MagickMuffin]

51. YES, see post #17 for the DU link

I included it in my post.

[joshcryer]

54. Yeah, she told them to do what Obama has been doing all along.

Take a larger role in the caucusing process so you can coerce people into voting your way.

That's how Obama wins caucuses, you know.

[Barack_America]

64. What? Sending Bill Clinton to stand in caucus rooms....

...to intimidate people while they're caucusing?

Obama did that?

[casus belli]

46. She could ruin a lot more than her reputation here.

For the first time in many moons, Democrats are motivated to turn up to participate in the primary process. Absent some obvious tampering with results or other valid reasons for challenging the outcome, this really stands a chance of completely disenfranchising voters and turning them off to the process. Both candidates claim momentum in this race...the real momentum is with the voters who have made this a historic and record setting primary. Risking destroying that momentum with lawsuits is an absolutely sickening choice to make.

[backscatter712]

48. Call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAHBULANCE!!!

Shrillary's a poor loser!!!

[jackson_dem]

50. Obama lost the primary by 4 but mysteriously leads the caucus by 12...

[joshcryer]

56. Well, that's in part due to how caucuses operate, it's a much bigger scale of disenfranchisement.

Caucuses are at a certain time and place. Captains can control the whole process and willy nilly kick people out that they don't want there: "where's your voter registration?" for one person and letting it slide for the other. I posted a video on DU about this exactly happening, a caucus captain was allowing people in without being registered, not even asking if they were registered.

Doors are locked at a certain time, and people who arrive late or who have to work or just who are tired can't make it. This is all very beneficial to Obama's group.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

70. Clinton supporters forgot to stick around for the caucuses.

They keep forgetting about caucuses.

[Apollo11]

57. Caucuses are unfair in so many ways. Every state should have a primary.

Texas having a primary and then caucuses on the same day is just .... nuts. :crazy:

To me it's like playing a football game, then allowing the losing team to add a 5th quarter.

[rodeodance]

58. Evidence of ILLEGALLY Obamafolk getting packets and you are blaming Clinton? SHAME ON YOU.

Clinton's campaign, meanwhile, says it may challenge the state's caucus results, citing what they call "hundreds of complaints" of mischief caused by the Obama campaign at caucus, The Associated Press reported.Clinton officials cite evidence that Obama supporters illegally obtained caucus packets in several precincts throughout the state.

Under caucus rules, whomever has the packet is placed in charge of the caucus. They also say Obama supporters locked Clinton voters out of several caucuses, the AP reported.

[bridgit]

63. Good! Cause it's a fucking mess down there

[workinclasszero]

65. Hillary Rules: If you can win it, steal it!

See all those years of union suppressing work for Walmart are paying off for Hillary!

She knows how to threaten and intimidate normal everyday people with high paid lawyers!

This is the 'years of experience" she and her best buddy McCain bring to the table!:mad:

[not_too_L8]

73. I support Obama but the WalMart thing is greatly exaggerated

She was a junior lawyer in the law firm and doing what she was told...and very outspoken against it from what I understand

[MyNameGoesHere]

66. Sickened and disgusted? And when they wanted to recount Ohio

in 2004 you were the same? I hate hypocrites.

[AJH032]

68. As she should

if those allegations are true.

[Hoof Hearted]

69. Good for her. It was a fiasco and Obama flying people in to grab everything and take over

smells like yesterdays fish.

[NDambi]

71. hmmmm..sounds like

[not_too_L8]

72. I did not see any evidence stated in the linked article

It's easy say Clinton campaign cites evidence when you don't have to show it.

And I remember allegations against Clinton in the Nevada primary!

I take all of it with a grain of salt until I see the proof.