You know what? I was wrong. Hillary should be the candidate.

[walldude]

And if she happens to lose to Obama I'll do what she asked and vote for the more "experienced" candidate. John McCain. I mean what else can a loyal Democrat do right? I'm so sorry for calling her out on the McCain thing. I mean, why should I let that one little comment annoy me? John McCain has the experience! If we can't have Hillary vote McCain, I'm sure it will be better than an unexperienced hack like Obama. All he has is speeches after all...



Please, I have been honest, fair and I have not bashed either candidate. I chose Obama two days ago because of the McCain comment, well that and the 3am ad. I have not called anyone names, I have not bashed any supporters, and I have not lied or made anything up. All I am asking for is someone to reasonably justify what Hillary said. And "It's true" doesn't count. Even if it were true that Obama is less qualified than her, he is in no way going to be worse than McCain.

[maddiejoan]

1. Why?

Do you agree with him on policy?

I sure don't.

[Medusa]

3. Wow--sarcasm and irony just flies over the head of the Clintonistas doesn't it?

:rofl:

Among other things. :eyes:

[maddiejoan]

5. apparently it just flew straight over your's, darlin'

[Dogmudgeon]

10. When Mr. Rofl comes out, you KNOW they've been whupped.

--p!

[anigbrowl]

12. That's funny! Thought not, I suspect, for the reasons you thought it would be.

[durrrty libby]

20. Aww go on BO Sniffer. Snort up another whiff

[walldude]

26. BO Sniffer?

:rofl: classy...

[walldude]

11. No more or less than I do her... which is why when she

threw her weight behind a Republican it tipped the scales in his favor.

[maddiejoan]

15. ridiculous

seriously.

Hillary is running to the left ( very slightly) of Obama.

Talk of McCain being more qualified isn't an endorsement. It's an honest assessment.

In fact McCain's experience is reason to NOT support him. He would be effective in passing about GOP agenda.

likewise --Clinton would be more effective in passing the Democratic Party agenda.

Obama? Who knows? I tend to think he'd cave so badly that he'd make Pelosi look like FDR.

[jenmito]

21. Then why did Hillary say McCain's lifetime of experience (like hers) qualify them to

meet the threshhold to be CIC? While Obama "gave a speech" like he has NO experience? And she went on to say how good a friend McCain is and how much she respects him, blah blah blah.

[maddiejoan]

28. Because it's true?

:shrug:

McCain would make a qualified GOP President.

Hillary would make a qualified Democratic President.

Obama? Who knows. Maybe?

[walldude]

37. So you think McCain is a better candidate than Obama?

Good luck with that on DU! And that is what Hillary said. No matter how it is spun.

[walldude]

23. I'm sorry but that doesn't fly with me. It was a deliberate shot

which plainly stated to anyone who saw it or listened to it that McCain is more qualified to be president than Obama. I can just see McCains ads now, "Even Obama's own party doesn't think he's qualified to be president". "Just ask Hillary!" (cue tape roll, "I have experience, John McCain has experience, Obama has... speeches."

Be honest here.
If Obama had made a statement saying that McCain was more qualified than Hillary to be President you'd be doing exactly what I am doing, and I'd probably be backing you up since it was that statement that put me in Obama's camp.

Thanks for the reasoned response though, it's the first one I got today!

[maddiejoan]

31. No I wouldn't

I'd start attacking McCain on policy though.

:shrug:

[walldude]

36. But she's not attacking McCain. She's praising him!

And now I hear it's not just that one time. I'm looking for links to the others. Not going to believe it unless I see it. I still have enough respect for her to hope that she realizes she made a mistake with that comment and backs off from it. However if she continues to praise McCain and crap on Obama I may have a serious problem with voting for her. She can crap on Obama all she wants, just don't be doing it while you are praising the Republican candidate.

[thunder rising]

2. Hillary Clinton no longer a Dem, it's time she learned the Zell Miller rule.

Hillary Clinton no longer a Dem, it's time she learned the Zell Miller rule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOytXkCw0NY

[goclark]

8. Bingo! You are making so much sense ~ thanks for the post

[progdog]

22. She never really was a Dem.

It's called ambition.

[Shae]

39. oh my god

She spouts the GOP talking points word for word.
Thanks for the link.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. you are not making sense!

[IsItJustMe]

9. You don't get it? Really? This was my exact thoughts when HRC said her and McCain had the

experience the Obama didn't. That is unforgivable my friend.

[walldude]

14. Ok.. slowly.. Hillary said that she and McCain were the

experienced candidates while Obama has nothing but speeches. In other words she said that if she were to lose, McCain is a better candidate than Obama. I am just trying to understand how Democrats can support that statement.

[yellerpup]

29. Not to quibble

but she said Obama gave "A speech in 2002", denigrating all his other accomplishments, belittling the fact that he has won more than twice the primaries she has won and ignoring all the many thousands of new, motivated voters who have joined the party because they were inspired by him. The Independents like him, too, and are not a shoo in for her. I'm not arguing with you. I support you in your argument.

[walldude]

34. Yeah just picking nits...

kidding... You're right of course, but I am just trying to get a handle on why Hillary's supporters don't see her statement as an endorsement of McCain. Only one person has even attempted to respond.

[yellerpup]

35. I know, it's crazy.

:banghead:

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. And ............Bam! An Obama punchline straight out of the Iowa days!

[IsItJustMe]

7. Shhhhh!!! Common sense and truth freaks the hell out of some people hear. Keep it on the down low.

[AtomicKitten]

13. Hee-hee, my sarcasm detector is on the fritz.

:)

[walldude]

17. Gee ya think?

Maybe I ought to add the sarcasm smiley...

[durrrty libby]

16. Your title sentence is correct. Then necrosis set in.

[walldude]

19. And your defense of her comments?

Please? I'm trying to figure this out. Will you vote for McCain because he has more experience? Over a Democrat?

[Upton]

18. Hillary, Joe, and Zell, the traitorous trio

[Cha]

24. I gotcha..you made perfect sense..

and you're being really nice about it..whereas some of the rest of us have gone to the wall.:banghead:

I think hilary's experience in politics is the kind our country can do without now, rather nicely, and Obama's experience is what we need.

[walldude]

30. Thanks, being nice around here isn't easy.

I relieve the stress by beating my kids. :evilgrin:

[Cha]

40. Whereas I beat up others on

DU and leave my kids alone. :evilgrin:

[goldcanyonaz]

25. You would probably vote for him anyway.

[walldude]

27. I'll vote for any Dem that gets the nomination.

It's you "I won't vote for Obama no matter what" and you "I won't vote for Hillary no matter what" people I am afraid of. I'll still vote for Hillary if I have too. But she'll never see another dime from me.


If you really want to know what I stand for search out my posts. you'll see that I didn't throw in with Obama till 2 days ago when Hillary threw me, you, and the entire Democratic party under the bus. So there. :P

[Oilwellian]

32. And what's REALLY insane about it....

It destroys her chances in the general as well should she get the nomination. They'll have video of HER saying how experienced McCain is and what a good president he would be. Sheesh! Absolute insanity. Time to shut it down!

[doublethink]

38. I think Rachel Maddow said it best the other night ......

something to the effect that it's something someone would say if they were trying to become mccains vice president nominee. Maybe Rachel is psychic ..... ??? Wouldn't surprise me if Hillary bolts to the Repubs if offered that position .... I'm just saying. Strange days, strange days .... peace. :)

[Oilwellian]

42. I heard that as well and she makes a good point

I think she's trying to set herself up for 2012 and knows if McCain gets in, it makes it all the more possible. If Obama wins, her dreams of the presidency are shattered.

[kwenu]

33. She's pushing us away!!!!!

I was undecided a couple of weeks ago until the picture of Obama in traditional Kenyan clothing was released to try to stir up the muslim falsehood again. I found out Hillary's campaign WAS responsible for making up that garbage email about OBAMA and that did it for me.


Guess what! I am now a Texas precinct delegate for Obama and it looks like he will be awarded the most delegates in Texas despite Hillary's fake win.

[judaspriestess]

41. Obama praised reagan and it was perfectly acceptable

why was that ok?

"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what is different is the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing." - Obama