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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:13 AM
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Should Obama pick Hillary as VP if it ends the race sooner?
If the race goes onto June with Obama still leading but Clinton not dropping out and vowing to take it to convention. Should Obama offer VP slot to make the race end much sooner?

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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:16 AM
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1. No. I think she has to accept that selfishness does not make 2+2=6. Never will. nt
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:25 AM
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2. No
He should pick Sebelius
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:26 AM
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3. No
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:27 AM
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4. Hell NO!
I don't want her getting in the White House.

Can we say Dick Cheney Part 2?

Not a chance in hell.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:27 AM
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5. Not after the way she has been throwing him under the bus for her friend, McCain. nm
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:28 AM
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6. NO. She's too devisive and she goes against everything for which he stands. eom
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:28 AM by Blondiegrrl
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:28 AM
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7. No.
Her presence on the ticket in November would motivate far more opposition at the polls from hardcore right-wingers who would otherwise not be enthusiastic about turning out for McCain, whom they see as a traitor to conservatism; Hillary on the ticket would hurt down-ticket races. She doesn't add anything positive and brings a lot of negatives.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:28 AM
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8. Uh.....EMPHATICALLY NO! n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:30 AM
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9. Why? And have him end up like Ron Brown?
I wouldn't put the American Lucretia Borgia as VP!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:52 AM
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39. Yup, that's exactly what I was thinking.
This woman has wanted to be President for a loooong time. And I don't believe Barack would be safe with her as the VP. He should guarantee her a cabinet level appointment though.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:31 AM
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10. No. Fucking. Way.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:32 AM
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11. Not just No, but Hell NO,
She doesn't add anything to an Obama ticket.

And besides she has already indicated she would only share the ticket if SHE was on top.


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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:32 AM
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12. Clinton supporters reading this thread, please note all the "NO'S!"
A couple of weeks back these people wouldnt have had much of a problem with Hillary becoming Obama's VP.

Can you see how her negative campaigning is tearing our party apart now?

I hope you're happy.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:38 AM
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26. Do you really think
we care what the DU echo-chamber says? You guys don't reflect reality, you know.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:48 AM
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36. Do you really think we care what the DU echo-chamber says?
Of course you Clinton supporters dont care.

That was my point.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:06 AM
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42. You don't reflect reality
I don't think you're even remotely acquainted with it.
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JBoris Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:32 AM
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13. No!!!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:32 AM
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14. I would rather have Gravel come out of my butt.




Although, Senator Gravel is OK.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:39 AM
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28. I thought you were referring to Senator Gravel.
That would make for one hell of an entrance. Beat THAT for a convention opener Republicans.

;)
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:33 AM
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15. Coming back to add that, at this rate, I'm hoping she loses her Senate seat too.
She disgusts me with her hypocrisy and lies.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:33 AM
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16. Fuck no.
I'd rather tear out my heart with a fondue fork.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:33 AM
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He won't be in the position to choose, he won't be the nominee.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:39 AM
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More states, more votes, more delegates...the math is not on Hillary's side.
The chances that she'll be the nominee: slim to none. Sixty-two percent: the margin of ALL remaining delegates she needs to overcome Obama's lead. After Wyoming and Mississippi, both likely to go for Obama, vote, those numbers change to more like sixty-five percent. It is not likely on the basis of the numbers. Math doesn't lie. Delude yourself all you want; you're in for a rather rude awakening in August if not significantly sooner.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:33 AM
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17. No, she can be McCain's VP since she loves him so much.
We need to be done with the Clintons altogether.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:35 AM
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22. Wow, that's a change from you
I've know your posts here for years.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:33 AM
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18. I don't think he'd be able to deal with Bill sticking his nose in everything.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:35 AM
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21. His nose?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:39 AM
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27. It's a saying we have here in America. Sticking your nose in other people's buisness.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:40 AM
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30. Please tell me you got the joke. n/t
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:39 AM
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29. LMAO!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:34 AM
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19. No. It would cost him the General Election.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:34 AM
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20. Not just no, but HELL NO -- besides -- Hillary & McCain would be a better fit
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:36 AM
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23. I have a better pick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano

Puts McCain's own state into play, creates a two-gender ticket, totally deflates McCain on immigration experience, and primes the pump for a 2012/2016 female prez.
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:37 AM
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24. Hell No. n/t
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:37 AM
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25. Nope. n/t
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:42 AM
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31. No!
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:42 AM
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32. No.
She lacks the necessary experience and smarts. Also, I like my politicians to have at least a tiny little shred of decency.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:43 AM
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33. Would you keep a shark in your swimming pool?
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:51 AM
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38. Sure.
If it was a shark who couldn't do it if it just didn't passionately believe it was the right thing to do. A shark who just doesn't want to see us fall backwards.

I think I'd see the shark in a much more human light that way. Sure, it's still a shark, and it still wants to devour everyone and everything that comes close to it. But I'd feel sorry for the shark, and support it no matter how horribly it acted.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:43 AM
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34. How can he make the race end sooner when it's already over?
:shrug:
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latinolatteliberal Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:47 AM
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35. I have a better idea.
First of all, I agree in both opinion and intensity with all Obama supporters screaming that she should not be on the ticket. My family voted for the Clintons and defended them in the past, but she has lost us.

That being said, I know we must reconcile. But I just don't think it is a winning strategy to have her on the ticket. People who have made it their hobby for the last 16 years to hate her will enthusiastically vote against her no matter what office she seeks. We don't need her dragging Obama and the down-ticket candidates down.

Instead, let's make sure she becomes senate majority leader. Her policy positions are close enough to Obama's to suggest that they could have a successful relationship in those roles.

I'm not a huge fan of Pelosi, but would Hillary supporters be enthusiastic about two women leading the houses of Congress?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:48 AM
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37. I doubt that she's on his short list.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:53 AM
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40. No. Obama should pick Oprah and run as a third party "unity" cadidate.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:11 AM
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44. why would he go 3rd party
when he's got the votes to be the Democratic nominee? You're not getting it....your tantrum-throwing DLC'er doesn't have the votes? doesn't have the votes. doesn't have the votes........is this getting through to you at all?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:17 AM
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49. He won't be the Dem nom. His ego will force him to run come hell or high water.
Oprah is a perfect match. An evil soul robbing people out of their hard earned money to buy worthless tat and false hope.
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DisgustipatedinCA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:27 AM
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50. praytell, sagacious one
How will it come to pass that Obama won't be the nominee? Remember, no advocation of cheating allowed in your answer.

And you know what? I've never been a big Oprah fan. Never hated her either. But when it comes down to it, I'd much rather associate with Oprah than with some of the garbage Hillary Clinton surrounds herself with. I know you probably look up to those people, which is understandable, considering that most of the Nazi war criminals are either long dead or very feeble and still in hiding.
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:53 AM
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41. and one more no n/t
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:09 AM
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43. nope - she's become too divisive n/t
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:11 AM
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45. Politics, kids
that's what it boils down to.
Hillary is very popular with a segment of the party. Almost half of them.

She won't quit unless she gets VP.

Her plan, BTW is to be a Cheney-style VP; VERY STRONG. Get it?

Her "people" in DC will be placated. Obama gets the NOM.

Now, if we can just get her to do TWO THINGS, the slot is hers:

1) PENN AND WOLFSON AND ALL THEIR CONNECTS, OUT.

2) sign a pledge agreeing to oversight from the President's office and a promise to make an attempt at the "open Government" Pledge, which she's not comfy with.

Et viola, VP Clinton, at your service.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:33 AM
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51. The problem for Obama with this arrangement
is that she would constantly be trying to usurp his power. She would have her own base, advisers from Bill's administration working for her; she's extremely secretive and would probably keep information from him and feel little loyalty to him. It could be a huge potential disaster in the Constitutional sense, with the VP constantly trying to overrule the President and using the resources of the government to achieve her political and personal ambitions, to the embarrassment of the president (look at filegate for example, her fingerprints were all over that)

It could turn out to be a real nightmare for him.

The number 1 quality in a VP is loyalty. And by the way she's run this race she has no loyalty to party , only to herself.

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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:50 PM
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65. Oh, he understand that, believe me
Cheney and Bush is a similar relationship, except Bush seems to give tacit approval to Cheney for this.

My sense is it's controllable given the politics of the day, and she needs to ditch her longtime triangualtor and agree to being taped and recorded as part of the transparent government program.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:58 PM
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69. There's another issue.
And I hesitate to even bring it up. But some of her associates (ron brown, vince foster) have a habit of turning up dead when they become politically inexpedient.

And she's always wanted to be president. I'm just saying...
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:12 AM
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46. Hell NO! Is the 20 different topics about this not clear enough?
Edwards is the only VP choice worth even talking about right now.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:13 AM
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47. Hell no, not ever
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 02:14 AM by Carolina
She should be kicked to the curb and disappear from the scene.

NY can have her, if the people there still want her after this campaign.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:14 AM
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48. No. Hillary Clinton on the ticket = President John McCain
The GOP would easily get its base to turn out en masse to vote against a Clinton.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:39 AM
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52. Hell no.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:32 AM
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53. YES!!!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:37 AM
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54. dupe
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 03:38 AM by emilyg
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:37 AM
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55. Should Clinton pick Obama?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:54 AM
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57. She won't have that opportunity. nt
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:39 AM
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56. When Hell freezes over!!! NO!
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Frumious B Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:00 AM
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62. I think Obama should very publically make the offer ASAP.
This is not because I would actually want Clinton as Obama's running mate. It's because I am darned near certain that she would refuse and then Obama would have much more latitude to pick whoever he actually wants while still scoring "party unity" points for offering her the job.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:59 AM
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58. Should McCain pick Hillary as VP if it ends the race sooner?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:46 AM
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59. Could Hillary be Obama's VP is she already were McCain's VP?
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 07:49 AM by earthlover
If she ran as the VP for BOTH (I don't think the Constitution forbids it!) then she wins either way! It would suit her personality just fine....the ultimate triangulation!

Seriously folks, this negative campaigning is not going to stop from Hillary. She is going to totally throw Obama under the bus. It is not going to get better. She will do it cleverly. If she cannot be the nominee, she will make it hard for Obama to win in the general.

Then, in 2012, she can run against her old buddy mcCain...that is, if she is not VP.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:54 AM
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60. Here is the Dream Ticket for the GE

A nightmare for America, a dream ticket for corporate whores and warmongers.

Hillary Clinton told reporters that both she and the presumptive Republican nominee John McCain offer the experience to be ready to tackle any crisis facing the country under their watch, but Barack Obama simply offers more rhetoric.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:59 AM
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61. no hillary.... clark or someone n/t
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:24 AM
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63. No. He should pick someone with military experience to offset
the one edge McCain has.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:33 AM
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64. No
the situation is now too negative. Hillary might be better off shooting for McCain's VP.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:52 PM
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66. He should tell her "yes."
And then when she drops out tell her to fuck off.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:53 PM
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67. No...
He doesn't need her and she doesn't deserve it.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:53 PM
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68. Yes. n/t
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Moh96 Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:58 PM
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70. NO NO NO
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:01 PM
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71. NO, not anymore. Obama-Clark is my ticket.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:02 PM
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72. No, Hillary is a ticket-killer, and she will not cooperate with him. n/t
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:02 PM
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73. No. Hillary has trashed the Democratic Party too much. n/t
n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:04 PM
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74. NO! Hillary's politics of destructiveness are everything Obama isn't
She'd kill his ticket.

There are MUCH better people than Hillary to choose from.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:13 PM
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75. No - I would end supporting him as he would be a liar
I will not vote for her ever.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:22 PM
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76. i must say that the pure hatred of Obama supporters can still surprise me. guess it shouldn't.
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