HIllary fights hard and she fights dirty. I like that.

[Neshanic]

There, I said it. After her speech the height of the latest state contests, she stood up there, and looked like the President I want. Others like me agree. I want a President who will not reach across the aisle as soon as the doors open, talk about pipe dreams with the very criminals that were running loose. She's no saint. She never portrayed herself as one. Any person that can survive what she has been through and come out on top is a fighter.

She's the one that will take on McCain and will not take any of his shit.

Obama has painted himself into the feel good, happy vibes bong corner of campaign tactics, and now he can't go big negative either against Hillary or McCain.

Hillary will. I hope she does more. Then we may have a chance against McCain.

[jlake]

1. K&R. I think you nailed it!

[surfin]

46. Remember what she said about McClain

I will not release my tax returns until my buddy McClain and the Repubs are ready to see them. Us dems are not allowed to see them. How can you be for a person like that. She is not tough but just a hypocrite. As someone showed last night how she acted like Ken Starr with Rick Lazio but was a hypocrite. Demand he release his tax info.

Time to end the bush/bush/clinton/bush-----Obama and no more clintons or bushes. Weed the white house of clinton bushes.

[jakem]

102. yes, must be nice not to be bogged down by ethics or a moral compass...

[jlake]

115. You mean like Rezko?

[DearAbby]

2. diggin for gold I see

[casus belli]

3. Her pro-McCain comments don't really help your premise much. n/t

[jlake]

6. She didn't make "pro McCain comments". She stated a fucking fact - deal with it.

[anonymous171]

10. She misrepresented Obama's record and praised McCain's.

That is a fucking attack-deal with it.

[dkf]

14. Oh, so "Hillary Clinton is a liar" isn't anti-Clinton...it's just a fact!

I like that...thanks for showing me how its done.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

15. She made supporting statements about a GOP piece of shit

who deeply insulted her daughter. She's no different than Rove/Bush when it comes to winning at any and all costs. Deal with it---or don't; it's really hard to care how you're coping with all of this.

[Neshanic]

9. She maybe has a bigger plan, other than just dreams.

[anonymous171]

27. A bigger plan- yes have faith in the divine Goddes Hillary.

[casus belli]

33. Maybe? At least you're sure. n/t

[revolve]

4. So you like Bush

he fights hard and dirty


(you had to know this was coming)

[jgraz]

47. Not entirely fair: Bush fights hard and dirty AND WINS

Hillary's just spraying shit on her way out the door.

[AzDar]

93. Nailed it.

:thumbsup:

[lligrd]

5. Uh, She Did Reach Across The Aisles And Bent Over For Them

She apparently only attacks those who are trying to keep America out of the gutter. But you prefer to slither in it with the repugs and there tactics.

[anonymous171]

7. Unfortunately McCain will destroy her on experience, which is her only weapon.

I don't really see how she will convince people to vote Clinton over McCain after months of telling them that they should vote for experience over promise.

[dkf]

8. Hillary LOVES McCain.

And she has so much in common with him...like voting for the IWR.

[SeattleGirl]

11. I don't like it when she flings the shit at a fellow Dem.

She can throw all the shit she wants to at the Republicans, but she needs to stop throwing it at Obama. It's disgusting.

[Neshanic]

13. It's called politics. It's a great American tradition.

[SeattleGirl]

17. Shit is shit, no matter what you call it.

[Yes We Did]

20. Tell me, when was the last time a Dem nominee for president...

Endosed the opposing party's candidate above her own in-house opponent.

Exactly.

[Neshanic]

67. She did not, and you know it. Or better yet get Ms. Obama to explain.

She's the one with the opposite world speech patterns.

[Seeker30]

98. Tell me, whens the last time a dem nominee talked about how great Reagan was

[cali]

92. It is and Obama will slam her with an iron fist in a velvet glove

Don't you just love his new slam Hilly ad in MS? That should fuck her up but good there.

[jlake]

24. Funny how you have a different standard for KO and other Obama shills.

[SeattleGirl]

28. What the hell are you talking about?

Inquiring minds want to know, though I suspect I will not agree with what your answer is.

[jlake]

37. KO spewing venom and unsubstantiated allegations at Hillary.

and you defend him.

[SeattleGirl]

40. Excuse me, but he played video of Hilary praising McCain and

dissing Obama. He was not pulling crap out of his ass; he was commenting on what she was doing.

[jlake]

He had no facts or sources to back his NAFTA screed up... because they don't exist.

[SeattleGirl]

44. So where are your facts?

Sorry, but I am not going to buy what you're saying unless you can back YOUR stuff up.

[jlake]

42. Dupe. Delete.

[Neshanic]

31. Fill me in on my standard. I have it here somewhere....what are you talking about?

[BlueManDude]

12. She slobbered all over McCain today

We're not going to beat that asshole by prefacing every statement with "great American" this and "distinguished service" that. People say to themselves - "gee if he's so great I guess I'll vote for him."

I've admired and defended Hillary Clinton since 1991 and sadly I'm asking myself why I bothered. Unfortunately it turns out a lot of the shit the right wing has been throwing at her was true.

She will never get my vote.

[Yes We Did]

16. You like cheater? That's nice, but you are in the wrong party.

[Neshanic]

21. Cheaters like at Chutes and Ladders? Get a grip. Then join th real world.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

52. Join the real world, huh?

We should all just grow up and become more like filthy, lying, cheating Republicans? Jesusfuckingchristonastick, if this is your idea of what the "real world" should be like, I don't want any part of it. I still have a soul, and it's not for sale. Hope you liked those 30 pieces.

[Neshanic]

57. I would rather have a LBJ forever before a republican, and yes, you think we as

Democrats don't cheat and play for keeps, recent history excluded.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

63. I'm no apologist for the Democratic party

I see them as the definite lesser of two evils. And I see them as fairly corrupt, bought, and paid for. But I don't support this, nor do I revel in, nor do I want to find ways to leverage dirty politics in order to get ahead. You've made your choice, and your humanity is affected as a result. Don't try to pull me down, thanks, I'm not going.

[Neshanic]

68. ME bad human.

In the cultural revolution that is the Obama inspired trend nowadays to disparage every Democrat that came before them, I will not.

Good things were done, and it was not pretty getting it.

[DJ13]

18. So you've always longed to let your inner Republican out?

[IndianaGreen]

19. Hillary is just like Bush!

Is that what you want for our country, more of the same shit we have had?

[BeyondGeography]

22. She has her head so far up McCain's ass she can't see straight

and neither can you.

[MS Liberal]

23. I like it too!!!

[backscatter712]

25. Sorry, but I'm done tolerating sociopaths in politics.

You want this sort of behavior, go join the Republicans.

[Neshanic]

29. A little hint. That's why republicans win.

[lligrd]

32. Actually, It Is Not - Repugs Use Reagan's Never Trash A Fellow Repug

theory and it has served them well.

[Neshanic]

34. You actually believe that? McCain/Bush for starters when they were running.

[lligrd]

50. Starters And Enders You Mean

* is a special case and they don't consider McCain a real Repug.

[Neshanic]

54. That's the only exception? Please....really it's embarrasing.

[lligrd]

60. Couldn't Come Up With Another One Huh?

You know damn well that it is their creed. If you don't, you really should be reading instead of posting.

[Neshanic]

64. You are the one saying it is some cement rule. It is not. There are too many to list.

[lligrd]

72. Yet You Can't Come Up With Any.

It is a rule. Not everyone obeys rules. Take for example * or Hillary.

[Neshanic]

73. OK... I will, give me a moment.

[xmas74]

108. Exactly.

Look what Bush's camp has done to McCain time and again.

I don't support McCain but it did disgust me when it happened.

[BzaDem]

35. Actually, it is.

If Obama cannot stand up to the heat before the GE, what makes you think he will stand up to the very same heat (1000 times worse) during the GE?

In your pipe dream, everyone would campaign lovey-dovey in the primary and the resulting candidate would be destroyed in the GE for not getting vetted. That point of view is why we keep losing election after election.

[lligrd]

49. You're Wrong

The reason Rush is telling Repugs to cross over and vote for Hillary in the primaries is because they don't have anything on Obama. They have plenty of dirt on Hillary, after all, she has been sleeping with them for the last 7 years.

[Neshanic]

53. Nothing on Obama. That's a Gary Hart statement if there ever was one.

[lligrd]

56. LOL Your Camp Has The Nerve To Suggest Adultery?

Good one. :rofl:

[Neshanic]

62. No, your "nothing on Obama" absurd statement. Gary Hart dared them to find something.

And gues what they did.

There is no cnnection of him and adultery. It's the statment you made of the certainty of nothing on him.

[lligrd]

69. Obama Is No Gary Hart

Why The Hell else Would Repugs At Rush's Bequest vote for Hillary? Do you have a better theory? Besides, Hillary has already used everything that could be used and we already know they are all gross exaggerations or outright lies. The repugs are scared to death of Obama.

[Neshanic]

71. You got that right. He has a personality.

[lligrd]

74. Well Damn Him For That nt

[xmas74]

109. No.

When Hart ran he dared everyone to find even one little thing about him. He pretended to be "clean as the driven snow".

We all know how that ended.


In politics it's best to sit your best friends down in a locked room with a few bottles of tequila and have them start talking, taping the entire conversation. After sobering up you can decide how to fight each and every story since someone will eventually leak them.

[Neshanic]

75. Just a start...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/cannibals-on-the-right-r_b_50512.html

[lligrd]

76. Oh Come On, We Were Talking About Those Running

Not the talking heads. You still only have Bush.

[Neshanic]

77. If you clap your hands three times, what you believe could be made true.

Republicans attack each other. It's a fact. They just don't do it in the street like us.

[lligrd]

79. I'll Take That As A Half-Hearted Agreement nt

[Neshanic]

80. No, it is not.

[lligrd]

81. Yes It Was!!! nt

[Neshanic]

82. Trust me, we are not having an agreement moment.

[lligrd]

88. I'm Taking You At Your First Word So We Did

and I only claimed a half a moment.

[againes654]

26. Are you suggesting we don't have a chance against McCain?

That is absurd. Either one should mop the floor with him. Barring another "stolen" election. IMO

[Neshanic]

30. You can paint that "Absurd" on a poster as he drives past to the WH.

[caligirl]

36. which Hillary will they find on the other side of the aisle?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-david/on-the-red-phone_b_90338.html

[Neshanic]

41. Those are all the same. A woman that is where she is now not being a doormat.

[anonymous171]

51. She's always been the doorman for the GOP

"You want to go to war? OK, I'll give you my vote." "You want to continue the use of Cluster Bombs? OK" She wasn't at work when the FISA bill showed up though...

[caligirl]

66. Monsanto wants to destroy small farmers and dairy farmers, Hillary is the doorman to those guys.

Insurance companies no she is the doorman to them as well. The small guy is Hillary's doormat, she steps all over him climbing to the top of the ladder with her Rose Law Firm buddies.

[Neshanic]

70. She is the ONLY Democrat that is doing things like this right? the ONLY one.

[caligirl]

78. she is the one running for POTUS, and don't drop the bar so low for all of them.

[taught_me_patience]

38. Yeah - she fights dirty against her own party

there is a gentleman's agreement in the primary to not go negative against your opponents. She will destroy the party for her own ambitions. Disgusting...

[Bigleaf]

39. Yeah, too bad it's only against our party.

She certainly didn't put up a fight when Bush decided to take us to war.

[Neshanic]

45. Obama automated "war vote" response 577739662866577277333-1

[JackORoses]

43. Your right. She is dirty. Filthy, in fact. Why would you want such trash in the White House?

[Neshanic]

48. She could actually be IN the WH, as compared to your candidate.

who will be dismantled to the point where it will make Dukakis look like John Wayne.

[anonymous171]

58. Hillary will make Mondale look like JFK.

[Bigleaf]

59. The only job she will be doing in the White House is telephone operator.

She apparently has a thing for phones. I'm sure Obama would even arrange for a custom red phone for her.

[cali]

97. LOL!!! If that were true, your adored dirty hilly should have put him

away long ago. Hilly's fucking him and fucking herself with her idiot praise of McCain.

[JackORoses]

110. Neshanic, in a Panic?

Cause Hillary's acting frantic.
Time for you to call the Mechanics
To get to work on the Titanic.

[boppers]

55. Yay for pro-wrestling.

I expect her to take criminal republicans down just like her hubby.

Which is to say, not at all.

But hey, the drama continues for more seasons!

She'll have more fights!

Is this what it's come to?

[DesEtoiles]

61. She's fighting for Supreme Court Justice Gonzales.

[Neshanic]

65. Really? How is that?

[emilyg]

83. k/r

[eridani]

84. She will have to take McCain's shit because she agrees with him

If she uses the fear card defeats Obama, McCain will use it to defeat her. There is no way that any Dem can be better than Repubs at using fear as a campaign issue.

[Neshanic]

85. So throw Obama in front of McCain in a debate and hilarity ensues.

[eridani]

86. I would have thought that two months ago

When McCain attacked him a couple of weeks ago, he came back pretty hard.

[Neshanic]

87. This is not going to be repeat of Nixon/Kennedy. McCain will have him for lunch.

[BzaDem]

89. He came back pretty hard after his advisers came up with what to say, and he prepared.

Not so in a debate.

[cali]

90. Hillary only fights dirty against fellow dems. She fawns on McCain

or worse. How the hell can she go after McCain after kissing his ass? Clue: She'd have a hell of a hard time. He'd throw her words right back in her well made up face.

[Perry Logan]

95. Maybe she got the idea from Obama, when he was praising Reagan to the skies.

[cali]

99. Analyzing is not the same as praising. Now your dirty hilly

really praised RR. And even hillbots should be able to figure out that Reagan is dead, dear, and thus not running for president.

[Gore1FL]

91. Don't look now

but fighting dirty is what killed the GOP.

[mmonk]

94. She doesn't a clear contrast. Hince the attacks on other democrats.

The DLC always attacks fellow dems and soft peddles republicans.

[Perry Logan]

96. Keep in mind, the "dirtiness" of Hillary's campaign is an Obamite meme--not reality.

Here's some documentation--observations by other DUers that something is not quite right with the Obamites. There have been zillions of threads like these, but I've only just now started collecting them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

[thoughtcrime1984]

100. I think she is a self-serving cheap shot artist

who would hurt the Party for her own gain. Obviously.

[BootinUp]

101. I approve this message. nt

[Orsino]

103. Only against other Democrats. I don't like that so much.

If she'd spent even a tiny fraction of all this suddenly-discovered energy opposing the war, or any other item on the Republican wish list, the country would be much better off, and she'd be my hero.

[bigtree]

104. I had the same experience with her husband

winning against the republicans in the fall is EVERYTHING. That will not happen with kid gloves on.

[workinclasszero]

105. WTF? Hillary has already endorsed McCain for President

over fellow dem Obama!!

And you want a President who won't "reach across the aisle as soon as the doors open, talk about pipe dreams with the very criminals that were running loose."????

You Hillbots are delusional! Hillary has ALREADY sold you out to the Rethug party!:crazy:

Shit if she somehow steals the white house she will be Bush 3!!!:puke:

[seabeyond]

106. she will take that lying smelly dirt into the whitehouse. we have had it for 8 yrs. DON'T like it i

but at least we have one hilary supporter admitting that she is a dirty player. too much rove/bushco for me

[TwilightGardener]

107. I'll never vote for that turncoat piece of shit.

[dionysus]

111. so you support lying and cheating? hooookay....

[PerfectSage]

112. Hillary painted herself into a corner

If she's such a fighter, how come she never built a grassroots organization like Obama to fight for every delegate?

She'd make a pisspoor CinC, because she's been outgeneraled. Pisspoor Grand Strategy, strategy and tactics. That's why she's behind.

If she's built a grassroots organization like Obama to fight for every delegate she coulda ran a positive campaign and the race would be over by now.

:rofl:

[dchill]

113. Then YOU might be a Republican.

Your candidate sure acts like one.

[Raffi Ella]

114. Hear Hear!!

BITCHES GET STUFF DONE - GO HILLARY

[Starbucks Anarchist]

116. She only really fights when it's her prospects on the line.

She sure as hell didn't fight the IWR, for one.

[Bake]

117. Hillary won't bring a knife to a gun fight, that's for sure!

But Obama wants to sing Kum Bay Ya with the Republicons.

Bake

[GeorgeGist]

118. I think we have another 2008 nominee ...

for the Karl Rove Critical Thinking Skills award.

[Seabiscuit]

119. In this political charged atmosphere that the republicans have created fighting hard is the only way

Just look at our last election, Kerry did not fight back the way he should have and that was a bad choice and he lost (plus they stole it again). I don't believe that the Republicans will give up power so easily there is no other strategy but fighting with all you've got.