The problem isn't that Olbermann is negative towards HRC. It's that he ONLY attacks HRC.

[BzaDem]

He is completely biased. I'm not saying he shouldn't report negative facts about Hillary, but he spends half his show doing so and rarely (if ever) attacks Obama. He never spends time looking at the other side of the issue, or having other people on the show that can defend the other side of the issue. He rarely, if ever says anything positive about HRC. This is so obvious.

Dan Abrams, on the other hand, called out the media bias against Hillary while STILL attacking her when it was appropriate. And he always had people on the show for Hillary and for Obama. Equal time. The contrast is striking.

[Yes We Did]

1. Attack What? And besides, Abrams is a HUGE Hillary supporter.

Obama is clean. FACT.

And the fact that Obama got 87% positive coverage, and Hillary got around 50% is also simple.

There is simply more negatives to report about Hillary. When you have "35 years of experience" there is going to be more dirt.

[BzaDem]

11. This is exactly the bias I'm talking about.

There is tons of stuff that is negative about Obama. Read this article for starters. http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/

Then there's his present votes. There's his campaign's role in the race baiting. There's his role in copying without attributing.

Whether or not you think any of those issues are significant, they ARE issues, and they should be reported. You can keep saying there's nothing negative about Obama and that there's tons of stuff that's negative about Hillary, but you can't expect to be taken seriously.

[nebula]

42. Clinton spends all her waking hours and millions of dollars slinging mud at Obama

She doesn't need any help from Ohbermann.

Olbermann's criticism and exposure of Shillary's misdeeds helps to balance things out.

[hueyshort]

63. Totally false. Obama peed in his own pants in Ohio

Hillary wasn't making anything up. He did it to himself.
You aren't going to get anywhere with retaliation distorting the real truth.

[Neshanic]

2. After the debate it was a slobber fest over Obama, but Keith is great.

[krkaufman]

3. Ummm.... if only one of the candidates is making false, outrageous charges...

... and literally siding with the Republicans in the Presidential race, I'd say that candidate warrants criticism more than the other.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. IF that were the case, you'd have a point

but it's not the case. Camp Obama tells plenty of their own lies.

[krkaufman]

8. Thank you. I appreciate the support and endorsement. n/t

[Exilednight]

53. What lie has Obama told?

You claim that Obama tells plenty of lies, but what lie has he told that has done real damage to Hillary?

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. Let it be. Like Move On, he had no influence during the impeachment

fiasco. Dan Abrams' father, on the other hand, remains a mover and shaker and no, I can't disclose what I've been told in confidence. I'm just glad to see the family's doing well.

[krkaufman]

6. p.s. Or maybe, after composing all those Special Comments against Bush ...

... he's seeing a little too much of the same behavior coming from the candidate and her campaign.

Olbermann *is* biased. Against Republicans.

[dkf]

20. Olbermann is biased against bad behavior.

And he knows it when he sees it...

[krkaufman]

23. Pre-cisely. n/t

[SoCalDem]

48. Amen.. Her behavior has been racist, mean-spirited and downright obnoxious.

and keith, as an educated man sees it, and would like to see some fairplay..

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT..dirty low down shenanigans are the reason no one in the world respects us anymore, and why we are going broke..

We have to FIGHT everyone, instead of negotiating from a strength position..

[msallied]

7. And to be fair...

Given the media's practically making headline porn with Hillary since Tuesday, it's good that there is still one voice out there making an attempt to balance the equation a little.

[krkaufman]

9. That's what I was thinking. Olbermann's pieces the last two days haven't been ...

... over the top. They've seemed to be fairly straightforward echoing of news reports and fact-checking that other TV news media have been failing to cover, likely due to their fear to seem overly critical of The Entitled One.

[BzaDem]

12. This isn't just about the last two days. This is about the last two months.

Back when the press was fawning over Obama, he was still fawning over Obama and attacking HRC. And he pretends to be neutral (watch Wed's Countdown to hear him say it). He is completely biased.

[Bigleaf]

10. For one thing Keith has been calling out Bush and the Pubs

big time on their use of the fear card. So naturally when he sees her play it he called her on it. Then the sandbagging of Obama with her and McCain went too far over the line (you don't sandbag the candidate in your party who WILL get the nomination-it is math) and I think he's reached the conclusion many of us have. She is poison right now to this party.

[BzaDem]

13. Fine. He should attack HRC for that. But he shouldn't be silent about Obama's negatives.

[krkaufman]

15. What negatives? So Olbermann should be echoing Clinton campaign material?

Olbermann, like Stewart, pretty much just criticizes the material he's provided on a daily basis by the politicians' actions. His isn't a show that vets and reviews the candidates records.

And, as for recent actions, Sen. Clinton has warranted a great deal of criticism.

[BzaDem]

18. I agree, she should be criticized for recent actions. But what about Obama in Jan?

He has hardly EVER called Obama out on anything. What about the 4 page memo the Obama campaign released that started the whole racial tone of the South Carolina campaign (responding to Hillary's MLK/LBJ comments)?

He never criticizes Obama. Even when he should be criticized.

[krkaufman]

22. I'm pretty sure the racial overtones in South Carolina were started ...

... by the Clinton campaign's continual communication to reporters, in an effort to downgrade expectations, that Obama would, of course, do well in South Carolina, due to the racial demographics.

[sandnsea]

14. Abrams has to make up stuff to attack Obama on

like he did today. Someone from Obama's campaign released a statement about her pattern of criticizing and dismissing states she loses, and Dan calls it a cheap shot. It's no cheap shot, we've all been laughing about it for weeks. That's all Abrams ever does because there's never anything to attack Obama on. Olbermann is the only one who is calling the election accurately.

[krkaufman]

16. Exactly!! Didn't that seem like such a petty criticism...?

... just so that Abrams wouldn't look too biased by having too many "X"s over under Hillary's column. How pitiful.

[Window]

24. LOL! Every time I prepare to answer a post, you say exactly what I would have said.

Ya know...GMTA...and all that. Keep up the good work.



Peace:thumbsup:

[krkaufman]

26. chuckle! Thanks, Window.

Peace to you. (and all...)

edit: (maybe we should coordinate and split up the work! ;))

[Window]

30. LOL! Good idea. But you do it so well, I think of just follow you around and say "ditto."

LOL!




Peace:thumbsup:

[BzaDem]

17. And calling into the Clinton phone conference saying her campaign sued Nevada ISN'T a cheap shot?

Not to mention a lie? Come on. The cheap shot you mentioned is kinda dumb, but it is hardly representative of all the other much more valid cheap shots he has called previously.

[sandnsea]

19. They did sue in Nevada

And they do gin up a bunch of complaints every time they lose an election. It's a fact.

[BzaDem]

21. The Teacher's union sued in Nevada. Not Hillary's campaign.

And the Union didn't even endorse Clinton or Obama.

[sandnsea]

25. Do you need a bucket of sand?

Everything was fine in NV until she lost the culinary workers. Then one of the directors of the teachers union, who had endorsed Clinton, sued, along with people who signed on to the caucus rules to begin with. She keeps signing on to rules, and then turns right around and breaks them. The second she pretended to win MI & FL, any honest human being would have walked away from her. She's a damn liar and CON ARTIST.

[BzaDem]

34. A bucket of sand?

Sorry, I missed the logical leap between "Then one of the directors of the teachers union, who had endorsed Clinton, sued"

and

"She keeps signing on to rules, and then turns right around and breaks them."

She cannot control the director of the union. Stop misrepresenting the facts.

[sandnsea]

36. Yes of course you did

Because some teacher in Reno just woke up three days before an election and got it in her head to sue. :eyes:

[shimmergal]

62. She did NOT lose the Culinary workers

in Nevada. The union's local leadership, esp. D. Taylor, its president, endorsed Obama at almost the last minute. In actual people's support, Clinton won most of the caucuses at the Strip locations. People _don't_ like to be told who to vote for! Plus, the predominant feeling was that Taylor was just looking out for himself, angling for a job in an Obama administration. All in all, the ploy was a net loss for the Culinary, they sure don't look as "powerful" after the caucus as they did before.

The teachers' union lawsuit certainly should have come sooner; Clinton did nothing to try to stop it; but it had very little impact. It _did_ raise a valid point, though, about privileging certain voters by accomodating their work schedules without doing the same for others. Just one of the many drawbacks of the caucus system. As an Edwards supporter, I ended up really outraged by the undemocratic nature of the whole caucus approach. Unfortunately, there are no do-overs, not even next time without an action of the legislature.

[rodeodance]

27. I agree. KO was a professional jounalist just a few short weeks ago. No more!

[rodeodance]

28. rec

[thoughtcrime1984]

29. He hates fear-mongering

She's a fear-monger. There are plenty of anti-Obama sorts on CNN, you should watch that.

[bridgit]

31. That's cause he's a one trick pony, a little lipstick & a pink tie and BAM!

Here's to all the KO peeps that fell for it too :toast:

[jgraz]

32. No, he also goes after O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Coulter

Throw in Hillary and you've got quite the cozy foursome.

[bridgit]

33. Thank you for confirming that he never fails to take the path of least resistance

[jgraz]

35. Well, Hillary is a pretty easy target

A Democrat so stupid as to endorse her Republican opponent? She's lucky he didn't put her in his "Dumbest Criminals" segment.

[bridgit]

37. Regardless, KO is still a hack

[jgraz]

40. It's not "regardless". That's exactly the reason he's criticizing her.

And I'm guessing you didn't feel KO was a hack before he went off on your girl.

[bridgit]

60. Negative, imo he's been slipping for some time; in proportion to the echo of his own voice...

off the set he works on; or maybe his Nielsen #'s...it's just a show, an entertainment that incorporates news with a perceivable slant. That slant became pronounced actually years after bush took (and I do mean 'took') office. Only in these last couple years has KO been sounding more like what you'd care to hear. That is by design. That's image control. Having been launched in 2003, it's taken this long to get his product placed just so. As a product, however, he is susceptible to saturation. Or obsolesces, though in either event...

As he began to uplift your candidate admit it...he became in your opinion shiny & Golden!!

With the numbers in this primary split, they all run the risk of alienating half of their viewership. That is not a scenario MSNBC corporate will be prepared to accept; witness their having sat Matthews down after he was called on being sexist. That memo was not sent through some vacuum tube to Matthews below...it was shot out of a canon. Programming & content memos are sent round every day. But hey!!

It's only TV, what can you expect.

[thoughtcrime1984]

45. Because he doesn't like the fear-mongering of Bush Clinton?

[bridgit]

57. No, because he's an MSNBC/MSM number generator; Matthews has his 'power#'...

KO has his 'Keith#'. These are tinky ways to generate and hopefully retain viewership i.e.,

"I have to drive straight home and check the 'Keith#' for today. Why, I can think straight without what is now *my* 'Keith#'"

In fact, a guy called into Randi's show the other day and yakked back & for then and he mentioned just that, "yada-yada blah-blah Minus the 'Keith#'." Oh good times had by all, Randi giggled a bit and the conversation concluded shortly thereafter, I'm sorry no...

I'm weary of his 1,000 dollar pin stripe suits in spite of what is coming out of his mouth they make him look like a republican used car salesman, weary of his camera make-up & pink ties, his brand of entertainment, and now his 'Keith#' cause it's tinky. And when I seen how upset he was (they ALL were, all MSNBC talking heads) when his 'Keith#' had so little effect on the rest of the people that watch him and it was a telling moment for me having to witness studied, unencumbered umbrage being paid so handsomely.

I don't dvr his show anymore, that's my choice; this is still America. I don't have to buy what I consider tinky. And BO peeps need to see more of what's really going on.

[thoughtcrime1984]

65. Funny, I'd say Hill folks need to pay more attention

Bizarre how that works... I could care less about the Keith number, I just like his candor concerning those in gov't who are doing anything but working on our behalf.

[jgraz]

38. .

[bowens43]

39. You hillary supporters sound just like bush supporters

You use the same tactics and dhow the same feigned outrage at the slightest hint og criticism.

[Auntie Bush]

64. You Obama supporters sound just like bush supporters

"You use the same tactics and show the same feigned outrage at the slightest hint of criticism." Every time anyone says anything about Obama...they start ranting and raving about what a MONSTER Hillary is. Talk about feigned outrage! Hillary ought to sue him for the lies he spreads about her and you gullible people believe it hook line and sinker. I feel for you for not having any sense of objective criticism. That's the kind of people that fall for cult leaders.

[JTFrog]

41. Karma. She's a xeroxed rethug swiftboating democrats and she deserves to be called on it.

Sometimes you really do reap what you sow.

This cry of media bias is just part of the mural on the curtain that Hillary is trying to hide behind. Right now we are looking at Hillary's Wizard of Oz moment. She is so busy spinning the controls that she hasn't noticed that half the curtain has fallen and her ass is showing.

[shaniqua6392]

43. I have not been able to listen to him in weeks.

It is completely boring to watch a show that just continually criticizes a Democrat. That is the way I see it. He should go back to criticizing Bush and the Republicans. Our progressive radio hosts are doing the same thing. It has just become an Obama love fest. I can not listen any more because it reminds me that we are fighting each other instead of fighting the Republicans. There is no balance and no fairness any more. I just find it suspicious that none of them can come up with ANYTHING negative about Obama, yet somehow manage a continual deluge against Clinton. He is not Jesus. He is not perfect. Quit shoving him down our throats as if he is our savior. McCain is going to smear the shit out of him this fall because he has not been vetted. Everything McCain will come up with will be received with shock and tons of media coverage. We should be able to neutralize some of these things before they arise in the fall.

[JTFrog]

44. Yeah Hillary is trying to neutralize shit alright. Her glowing McCain endorsements

prove she is a DINO and I have no problem with Olbermann or anyone else exposing that. It has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with what Hillary herself is doing. If you can't see that then you are no better than those who voted for Bush.

You can honestly with a straight face complain about a neutral source criticizing a Democrat while Hillary is swiftboating Obama? I can't take that serious.

[thoughtcrime1984]

47. Wow, I was thinking the same thing about pro-HILL coverage

Obama has been shit on lately, and still nearly split the delegates on Tuesday. And, there is PLENTY of vetting to do on Hillary yet.

[mwb970]

50. I like KO, but I tune out when he attacks Hillary.

It's not even that he's not right, maybe he is. I just don't want to hear 100% negativity.

Last night I turned off MSNBC and watched an episode of The Wild Wild West on DVD instead. It was great, and it didn't make me mad! Recommended.

[Dinger]

52. They'll Save Attacks For Obama TIll The GE, But First They'll Get Him The Nomination

Simple.

[TheZug]

46. He's just keeping it real, baby--telling it like it is!

[journalist3072]

49. It's exactly why I've stopped listening to him an unsubscribed from his podcast

I began to notice a pattern with his anti-Clinton bias, and his acting like Obama walks on water.

Now I just completely tune him out.

I find him pathetic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. We Need To Stop Whining About The Press

They hate The Hill and we hate them...

[harun]

54. It isn't bias when the facts support it. She is DLC and should not be supported (n/t)

[seabeyond]

55. maybe it is the going over the line and they havent seen obama go over line yet n/t

[bleowheels]

56. So you equate honesty to bias. Just because it is true doesn't make it bias.

I don't find him biased at all. If you don't like it turn the channel. I really find it funny that there are so many anti-Olbermann posts by Hillary supporters yet I don't see Hillary supporters complaining about Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly tens of times a night. Truth hurts, get over it!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

58. I am sorry, but that is a load of crap.

For those of us with memories over a few months, we remember when KO has spend a great deal of time defending Clinton and nailing Obama for questionable stands/positions/opinions. If fact, there was a time I suspected KO of being on the Clinton bus because of how strongly he was going after Obama. But I understand that KO is only on the Truth bus.

KO only calls it like he sees it, and the Clinton campaign has, sadly, given him oodles to work with these past few weeks.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

59. last week on Countdown, KO had a shot of Obama with "SHAFTA" below it.

How is that pro-Barack?

It just isn't that simple. One candidate is behaving like a lunatic lately, and she's bound to get called on it somewhere.

[Political Heretic]

61. It isn't the nightly news. It's Olbermans show.

He's entitled to his bias. If you don't like it, don't watch it.