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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:45 AM
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Hillary's experience.
Hillary was the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address. Her speech received a standing ovation lasting seven minutes.

She went to Yale Law School. In the summer of 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor, researching migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Hillary was a staff attorney for the Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts. During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.

In August 1974, she became one of two female faculty members in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville.

Hillary maintained her interest in children's law and family policy, publishing the scholarly articles "Children's Policies: Abandonment and Neglect" in 1977 and "Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective" in 1979.

Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 until the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hilllary also chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. In one of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helped parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

Hillary was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

From 1987 to 1991 Hillary chaired the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession, which addressed gender bias in the law profession and induced the association to adopt measures to combat it. She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992) and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986–1992).

Hillary was the first First Lady to hold a post-graduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. Hillary is regarded as the most openly empowered presidential wife in American history except for Eleanor Roosevelt.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, Hillary was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health. The First Lady, Hillary Clinton, worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, Hillary initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Hillary Clinton traveled to 79 countries during this time,breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon. In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Hillary Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself, declaring "that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights" and resisting Chinese pressure to soften her remarks. She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan. She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.

Regarding the Whitewater investigation lasting years and costing the American taxpayers millions of dollars, the 2000 final Independent Counsel report found no substantial or credible evidence that Hillary Clinton had any role or showed any misconduct in the matter.

Hillary Clinton is the first First Lady of the United States to be a candidate for elected office. Clinton won the election on November 7, 2000, with 55 percent of the vote to Lazio's 43 percent. She was sworn in as United States Senator on January 3, 2001.

Clinton has served on five Senate committees: Committee on Budget (2001–2002), Committee on Armed Services (since 2003), Committee on Environment and Public Works (since 2001), Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (since 2001) and Special Committee on Aging. She is also a Commissioner of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (since 2001).

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Clinton sought to obtain funding for the recovery efforts in New York City and security improvements in her state. Working with New York's senior senator, Charles Schumer, she was instrumental in quickly securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment. She subsequently took a leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.

Senator Clinton voted against the tax cuts introduced by President Bush, including the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, saying it was fiscally irresponsible to reopen the budget deficit.
Clinton voted in 2005 against the confirmation of John Roberts as Chief Justice of the United States, and in 2006 against the nomination of Samuel Alito to the United States Supreme Court.

In July 2004 and June 2006, Clinton voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment that sought to prohibit same-sex marriage.

Clinton opposed the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 and supported a February 2007 non-binding Senate resolution against it, which failed to gain cloture.

In March 2007 she voted in favor of a war spending bill that required President Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq within a certain deadline; it passed almost completely along party lines, but was subsequently vetoed by President Bush. In May 2007 a compromise war funding bill that removed withdrawal deadlines but tied funding to progress benchmarks for the Iraqi government passed the Senate by a vote of 80-14 and would be signed by Bush; Clinton was one of those who voted against it. Clinton responded to General David Petraeus's September 2007 Report to Congress on the Situation in Iraq by saying, "I think that the reports that you provide to us really require a willing suspension of disbelief." In September 2007 she voted in favor of a Senate resolution calling on the State Department to label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps "a foreign terrorist organization", which passed 76-22.

In March 2007, in response to the dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy, Clinton called on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign, and launched an Internet campaign to gain petition signatures towards this end.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:49 AM
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1. But of course, none of this matters
didn't you get the DU memo? She's just a "bitch" who doesn't belong to the Democratic Party anymore.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:50 AM
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2. That is why I posted the facts. I am sick of the attacks on her.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:02 AM
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25. I know
but I think you need read only the posts below to see that accomplishments don't really matter to Obama supporters. For them, it's all about the bad, not the good.......you know, unity, hope and change
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:02 AM
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26. Frankly that's not a very hard working resume
it's a lot of first lady honoraria.

And as a NYer, I'm not so impressed with the Senate skills.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:22 AM
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41. I think you are not reading it.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:11 AM
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32. Experience by Marriage
Ninety percent of old Hill's "experience" was acquired because she married the 'right' guy.

Virtually all of those resume points are there because her position as Bill Clinton's wife gave her opportunities as First Lady of Arkansas or the U.S.

And that is a fact.

But it still might be enough for her to get the VP nod from McCain ... we'll see.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:05 AM
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71. Clintons political careers GROOMED BY JACKSON STEPHENS in Arkansas - the man who
staked WalMart and the man who BROUGHT the terrorist bank BCCI into this country.

Why do you all want to leave out one of the BIGGEST INFLUENCES on the Clintons' political careers?

You think Bill Clinton deep-sixed BCCI matters throughout the 90s for GHWBush and Jackson Stephens to better LEAD this nation?

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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:06 AM
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73. then why did you leave out her "political experience" as a Goldwater Girl?
doesn't THAT count for anything...? :shrug:
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:06 PM
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103. That was BEFORE she was old enough to vote. But you most likely know that.nm
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:14 AM
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76. I'm sick of the attacks BY her. She has become what we hate, only with a D.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:58 AM
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20. It matters. I still prefer Obama and think his resume is more impressive.
After all, he did not get the huge chance to change things as First Lady of Arkansas and the USA, and he still did impressive things.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:00 AM
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24. Really? I am sure he accomplished some positive things.
But I bet they pale in comparison due to the longevity of Hillary's life in efforts to help people.

That is not a slam on Obama. It is just a fact.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:03 AM
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27. Would you be willing to post his resume
I would love to see it. It may already be posted somewhere but I couldn't find it.
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Obamaniac Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:59 AM
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21. Obama has just as much "experience" as Hillary does...
Obama had an impressive educational experience as well. He was the first BLACK editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated at the top of his class.

So I guess using Hillary's standards, he has 25 years of experience.

He was a college professor, like Hillary.

He was a long time community activist, having started and personally run several community programs.

As a state legislator where he got more legislation passed than anything Hillary has ever done.

He won a landslide election to the Senate.

Hillary likes to think she has vastly more experience, but she doesn't.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:28 AM
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49. Really? I don't see how.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:07 PM
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104. Forgot to mention she failed her bar exam
She also really messed up the Arkansas education system.
Oh, they keep coming up. Sided with a male rapist and attack a little 12 year old girl. How sick. You find nothing like this in Obama record.

She also attacked Rick Lazio for not releasing his tax records but the hypocrite refuses to release them for dems but will for her buddy McClain and the repubs.

If your going to list things, put them all down. Post facts.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:50 AM
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3. You're leaving out a few key points
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 08:58 AM by jgraz
Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing to prevent the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales.

Senator Clinton said and did nothing regarding the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

Senator Clinton voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito.

Senator Clinton skipped the Senate debate and confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey.

Senator Clinton did nothing to prevent the passage of the Military Commissions Act.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing during the vote to extend FISA.

Senator Clinton said little or nothing on the Walter Reid scandal, even though she sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing during the current debate on Telecom Immunity.

Senator Clinton SKIPPED the Senate vote to strip TelCo immunity from the FISA bill.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the possible impeachment of George Bush.

Senator Clinton has said little or nothing on the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration. (Yeah, I'm too lazy to list these one-by-one)

Senator Clinton campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont

Senator Clinton proposed legislation to ban flag burning.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the renewal USAPATRIOT act.

Senator Clinton voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent the use of cluster bombs against civilian populations.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution.

Senator Clinton voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.


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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:55 AM
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14. Wow....Someone Did Their Homework. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:03 AM
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28. and as First Lady she did not set policy..in Ark OR DC
and as a senator, she was 1 of 100 and in the minority for most of the time she's been there, so anything that got passed, meant collaborating with the weasly rightwingers to get a crumb, here and there..

She has not had executive experience.. NONE of them have.. she was an appointed person.. appointed through being married to a governor or president..until 2000 (except for her young life, when she worked at a law firm)..

Everyone glamorizes and stretches their experience, but when one seeks to be president , there needs to be some serious looking into:)

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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:39 AM
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59. When has Obama set policy?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:45 AM
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61. She's the one insinuating that she has..
Standing next to the president as he signs bills into law is not policymaking..nor is being wined & dined as First Lady..

SHE's the "experience" candidate.....remember??

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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:20 AM
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77. Yes, she has experience as I have posted.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:23 AM
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78. I saw it.
:hi:
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:51 AM
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4. I wonder why the resume leaves out
her time on the WalMart Board of Directors during which they were doing their union-busting. I would think she'd be proud of that.

Also, I think she should tout her extensive foreign policy experience serving tea and scones to diplomats wives.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:53 AM
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10. Hey, those were anti-terrorist scones!
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murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:00 AM
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23. You mean.......
like Obama totally leaving out how he got his start in politics?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:51 AM
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5. So it all started with a just a speech?
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:52 AM
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6. words, just words.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:52 AM
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7. snrk
:thumbsup:
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:53 AM
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8. Are you an Obama supporter who is in love with his ability to make beautiful speeches?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:54 AM
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11. No, just serving it up.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:54 AM
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12. Also his ability to utter two complete sentences in a row without lying
Yet to see Hillary do that.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:53 AM
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9. ZING!!!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:55 AM
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15. just words
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:54 AM
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13. Hillary's Record
Hillary was assigned one major duty during her husband's presidency; deliver a plan for National Health Care. She oversaw a secretive, closed door procedure that produced a Rube Goldberg, 1,000 page monstrosity, that was shot down in flames by the Democratically controlled Congress.

She was wrong on the Iraq vote.

The two most important tasks she has been given in her career she fubared up. And people have died because of those failures. Lots of them.

Day one was health care. Day two was the Iraq vote. "Ready on day THREE?"

mike kohr
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:56 AM
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16. And voted AGAINST a cluster bomb ban in CIVILIAN areas.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:56 AM
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17. Oh, and you can just ignore everything else she has done?
Please tell us what Obama has accomplished.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:04 AM
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29. Obama Accomplishments
He wrote the bill to protect Illinois workers against the Bush administration's overtime pay take-away- the first in the Nation to do so-. Reformed Illinois' legislature and passed sweeping reform in the US Senate upon arrival there over the opposition of entrenched opposition from BOTH sides of the aisle.

Go to his website for a more comprehensive list. I've got to get to work now.

have a nice day!
mike kohr
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:08 AM
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30. Nuclear non-proliferation (Obama-Lugar) and transparency in Gov't spending (Obama-Coburn)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:56 AM
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18. The Team Obama Strategery: Go negative ASAP, then blame it on Hillary.
It's Negativity We Can Believe In.

--p!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:58 AM
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19. As many Clinton supporters have said.
It's politics. He's in it to win it.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:09 AM
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31. So you admit that Obama went negative ASAP? It's 'politics' for him and dirty pool with Hillary.
Interesting. :eyes:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:13 AM
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34. It's politics for both.
Going negative appears to be a necessity to win a modern campaign. I don't like it when Hillary does it. I don't like it when Obama does it. But, it may be the only way to win.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:38 AM
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58. Clinton "Strategy" you believe in?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail


A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs



Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34




Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:59 AM
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22. Kicked : ) (nt)
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:13 AM
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33. Buzzflash: How Hillary Clinton betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/034

As a result of Morris's "triangulating" advice, the Clintons embraced some cold-hearted measures, including what became called euphemistically "welfare reform." In fact, the progressive and children's advocate community considered it a Draconian measure that would punish poor children if their moms didn't find work. The Clintons, both of them, supported it, and Bill Clinton signed it into law.

Among those who ardently and eloquently opposed the Clinton "welfare reform" bill was Marian Wright Edelman. Her husband, Peter Edelman, quit his high-level job at the Department of Health and Human Services in protest when Bill Clinton signed the bill. He was deeply upset about what the legislation would do to helpless children.


Full interview here...
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/7/24/childrens_defense_funds_marian_wright_edelman
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:14 AM
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35. What, EXACTLY, did she do at the Rose Law firm? Interesting that she doesn't tout that "experience"
n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:16 AM
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36. What about no security clearances while First Lady? It's not in there...
No NSA security clearance either...nor did she have access to Presidential Daily Briefings.

Nothing was mentioned on the 1993-94 "my way or the highway" failure for mandated healthcare reform in the list. Why not?

Is there anything in there about her not talking to her husband for most of 1998 during the MonicaGate Period when Bill was trying to attack bin Laden?

I didn't see anything about that. Could you put that in too?

:thumbsup:

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:20 AM
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38. TPM: "I'm honestly surprised she's not drawing chuckles on this one."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181960.php

Hillary Clinton seems to think she's a strong contender in this latter category. But that's a joke. She's starting her second term in the US senate, where, yes, she serves on the Armed Services committee. Beside that she's never held elective office and she has little executive experience. I think she can argue that she'd make and would make a strong commander-in-chief. But she's pushing a metric by which she's little distinguishable from Barack Obama. I'm honestly surprised she's not drawing chuckles on this one.

A lot of people are seeing red that Hillary's so aggressively pushing the Republican nominee's credentials to be president. And I can see their point. But I'm more surprised that she's pushing an argument she doesn't need to make and frankly can't make credibly.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:19 AM
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37. The Obama campaign continues to show their naivte.
As long as they keep harping on Experience it reminds the voters
how inexperienced he is. Keep talking experience--it helps Hillary.
It makes the voters think about experience.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:21 AM
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39. Yes, it makes voters question HRC's so-called 35 "years of experience"
n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:22 AM
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40. EXACTLY, what did she DO at the Rose Law firm? n/t
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:03 AM
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91. The recycled GOP smear tactics won't help, either.
Why do they continue to remind the voters about the '90s GOP jihad against the Clintons? By casting themselves in the role of the House Impeachment Committee, they are invoking the same political reaction that caused the Clintons' popularity and esteem to increase.

All the "truth to power" and clever invective will likewise be lost on the public. They will see the anti-Clinton war machine rev up again, they'll roll their eyes, and they'll vote for Hillary out of a healthy sense of spite for being told they are too stupid to matter.

It's bad enough that Team Obama is doing this, but after all, this is only Obama's third big campaign. But the press have fallen back into their old habits as quickly as a hooker on her favorite old four-poster. And since they are the hippest dudes in the room (or so they'd have us believe), you'd think they'd know better.

--p!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:22 AM
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42. Thanks for the list.
I've bookmarked it for reference later.

:thumbsup:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:24 AM
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44. EXACTLY, what did she DO at the Rose Law firm? n/t
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:32 AM
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54. I don't know what she did at the Rose Law firm. I would suppose
that she practiced corporate law, since this is what their website says they specialize in.

Rose Law Firm is one of the largest and the oldest law firms in Arkansas. Our practice focuses on complex commercial business transactions and litigation. We represent clients in major business matters regionally, nationally, and internationally. The needs of business are our primary concern.


http://www.roselawfirm.com/


If you have any information to the contrary, please post it or supply a link.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:33 AM
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55. How interesting that the OP didn't mention any of her experience at the Rose Law firm. n/t
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:37 AM
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56. Are you Ken Starr?
Did he find anything wrong she had done at the Rose Law Firm? Was she charged with any wrongdoing?

Are you a Republican or a Democrat?

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:38 AM
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57. So why didn't the OP mention anything about her time at Rose Law firm?
It's part of her 35 years' experience, isn't it?
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:45 AM
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60. You've made several posts her about her experience at the Rose Law Firm.
If you have any information about her activities for the firm why don't you post it for all to see. Otherwise I will have to conclude that you know nothing about her experience at the Rose Law Firm.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:46 AM
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62. I'm asking about her "years of experience"-- that was part of it. Why isn't it mentioned? n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:46 AM by antigop
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:10 AM
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92. Are you insinuating a negative there?
If so, why not come right out with it?

Ken Starr investigated it to the max. Did he find something to charge her with? No? Then why are you bringing it up?

Are you a Republican?
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:44 PM
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98. I'm simply asking a question-- why aren't her years at Rose law firm mentioned?
They are part of her 35 years of experience.

Yet, there is NO mention of them in the OP.

Why not?
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:56 PM
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99. We now exactly what you are doing.
Shame on you for siding with the Ken Starr type insinuations.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:57 PM
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101. So why not answer the question? Why weren't her Rose Law firm years included? Simple question. nt
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:25 AM
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45. Seems Obama supporters do not appreciate her accomplishments.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:26 AM
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48. Maybe HRC supporters don't want to face the truth about her n/t
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:39 AM
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83. That's because they're not accomplishments
Resume-padding and nepotism? Yes. Accomplishments and experience? No.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:16 AM
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94. You don't discredit what she has done.
You just attempt to smear.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:37 AM
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95. I readily acknowledge that she did the things in your original post
What I disagree with is her characterization of that entire resume as equivalent to 35 years of experience that qualifies her to be president. Giving a commencement speech, being named Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984 and being the victim of a frivilous lawsuit do not qualify as experience for the presidency. Rather, it all falls under the heading of "stuff she did before becoming a senator."

Her only experience in elected office is the last seven years in the senate. That's it. Everything else that you mentioned is what they call "life experience," and we all have that. By that measure, any person over the age of, say, 53, has 35 years' worth of experience qualifying them to be president.

You can call that "smearing" if you want. I call it "calling her out on a dubious claim."
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:47 AM
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96. Okay, Then do you admit that the only experience Obama has is
his one year in the Senate prior to announcing his candidacy for President?
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:56 AM
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97. He's not the one going around claiming years of experience that he doesn't have.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 11:57 AM by Mooney
Hillary Clinton is the one making this claim, so the burden of proof is on her to substantiate it. If what she's using to substantiate it is the resume that you posted, then her claim is extremely dubious.

As for Obama, he held elected office for several years prior to his short time in the senate. But he's not the one claiming years of experience that he doesn't have. She is.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:57 PM
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100. She has the experience.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:36 PM
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105. No, she doesn't.
No amount of repeating it will make her have the experience she claims she has.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:24 AM
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43. Did she know Jackson Stephens, whose firm underwrote the IPO for WalMart
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/business/28stephens.html


Mr. Stephens was chief executive in 1970 when the firm underwrote the initial public offering for Sam Walton's discount store chain. Wal-Mart Stores is now the world's largest retailer.


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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:25 AM
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46. What was her experience at the Rose Law Firm? N/t
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:25 AM
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47. You left out about 20 years...
Working at Rose Law form as a lawyer for Corporate whores, serving on the board of Wal-Mart, Her fucked up charities that let her write off 500% more than was donated, sending Americans to DIE,

You going to update that please?
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:31 AM
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53. Nope.
Sure, she did some things I don't agree with. But her accomplishments over the years are there. You cannot deny that.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:29 AM
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50. Sirota: The Blindness of Candidate (Hillary) Worship --HRC and NAFTA
http://action.credomobile.com/sirota/2008/03/the_blindness_of_candidate_wor.html

Over the last few days, I have received a bunch of email from Hillary Clinton supporters saying basically that I'm wrong that Hillary Clinton supported NAFTA, because David Gergen and Carl Bernstein have recently appered on television and said Hillary Clinton didn't support NAFTA.

It's very strange to me that people would take the third-hand word of two Washington insiders about what Hillary Clinton said, rather than looking at the first hand, from-the-mouth words of Clinton herself.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:30 AM
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51. Thank you so much for this thread where I can point out HRC's real experience. Thank you. n/t
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:49 AM
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65. Point it out then. All I can see that you've done is ask questions
about her experience at the Rose Law Firm.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:51 AM
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67. Why were those years left out of her "experience"? You haven't answered the question. n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:53 AM
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68. Her "real experience" included years at the Rose Law firm. Why isn't it mentioned? n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:54 AM by antigop
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:31 AM
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52. I honestly believed her "resume" would be much more impressive than that....
Where are the peace treaties she negotiated while her husband was President?

Trade agreements she negotiated?

What makes her qualified to answer to the 3am phone call?

She's hyped up her 35 years of experience, but I don't see anything that really knocks me out and throw my weight behind her.

She voted on a bunch of bills, gave a few speeches, secured some funding for a handful of small programs, and won a few popularity awards.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:46 AM
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63. My big negative for Hillary is her IWR vote. On one hand you note
she voted in March of 2007 on a war funding bill that required bush to begin withdrawal of troops from Iraq within a certain deadline and her vote in May of 2007 as sited in your OP. I look at that as a move in the right direction after her flawed vote authorizing the use of force to begin with.

However, from her website (May 2006) she also was instrumental in billion dollar plus funding for the state of NY that essentially continues war efforts. The following is a paragraph (a quote of HRC's) from this web page. This quote has me wondering what her real intentions are regarding the war.

“I am concerned about the strain on the ground forces of our Nation’s military and their ability to continue at the current pace in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other theaters of operation. We must continue to focus on recruiting and retaining our forces, training and equipping them in a manner that ensures they are able to meet today’s challenges and future requirements,” Senator Clinton said.
{Use of bold type and underlining are mine.}

Authorizations:

Funding for New York in the FY 2007 Department of Defense (DOD) Authorization bill includes:

$2.5 million for Benet Labs’ Rarefaction Wave Gun
$12.4 million for Lightweight 155-mm Towed Howitzer which has its cannon assembly manufactured at Watervliet Arsenal
$1.5 million for Source Sentinel – Detection of Biological Agents in Water
$1.5 million for Rome-ITT – Masint Warfighter Tools
$5 million for Lockheed Martin Radar Systems- AN/TPS-59 Low Earth Orbit Satellite (LEOS) Tracking
$6.6 million in Military Construction funding for NEADS Support Facility’s Phase II construction
$21.9 million in Military Construction funding from the President’s Budget for Camp Smith Readiness Center
$1.8 million in Military Construction funding from the President’s Budget for Stewart – USMCR Aviation Support Equipment Shop
$3 million in Defense and Military Construction funding for ATK Alliant Techsystems’ Scramjet Research
$3 million for Portal Dynamics’ Aviation/Missile Life Cycle Management Command Integrated Digital Environment Pilot Program at Fort Drum
$248 million in Military Construction funding from the President’s Budget for Fort Drum
$9.7 million in funding from the President’s Budget for the ANG Queensbury Readiness Center
$3 million for General Motors’ Next Generation Non-Tactical Vehicle Propulsion Project
$3.6 million for Icuiti’s Wearable Hyperspectral Imaging System
$8 million for RIT’s Defense Sustainment and Modernization Initiative
$3 million for SUNY Binghamton – Advanced Microelectronics Manufacturing Center
$28 million for one additional MH -60R Helicopter – Lockheed Martin Owego is prime contractor on the common cockpit for the MH-60R
$112 million for eight additional MH-60S Helicopters – Lockheed Martin Owego is prime contractor on the common cockpit for the MH-60S
$682 million from the President’s Budget for Lockheed Martin Owego’s VH 71A Project
$5.2 million in federal funds for Carwell Products' Army Corrosion Prevention and Control program and $5 million for their Marine Corps Corrosion Prevention and Control program
$3.5 million for CUBRC – Lens X Hypervelocity Ground Testing
$7.8 million in Military Construction funding retained from the President’s Budget for the Niagara Falls Air Reserve Station


http://clinton.senate.gov/features/defense/index.cfm

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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:48 AM
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64. Her only experience is as senator from NY. FIRST LADY DOESN'T COUNT.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:13 AM
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74. There was much posted about her experience prior to being a
First Lady. Did you ignore that?
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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:39 AM
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82. Like what graduating law school? Have you ever "served on the board" of something? It's not really a
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 10:40 AM by RunningFromCongress
big deal. Board members don't really do anything, they're there to ensure profitability is maintained and that people like the CEO/President have people to answer to. Board members don't make decisions, they reward or punish executives based on their decision making.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:47 AM
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89. Visiting countries and giving speeches makes her qualified. Hell, if that's all it takes, I can run
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:49 AM
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66. You forgot how she started out as a Goldwater girl
and was originally a Republican. Considering what's been happening the last few days, looks like she's returned to her roots.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:58 AM
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69. For all these reasons
and many more, Hillary will be the next President of the United States.

She will weather this storm, and in the end, she will pull this party together and become our Commander in Chief, and begin the process of putting this country back on track. She'll do it!!! I have no doubt about that!!!

Hillary for President!!
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:04 PM
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102. Wow, there's a whole lot of "hope" in that post!
Hillary doesn't do "hope".

And is it part of her strategy to "pull this party together" by first tearing it apart?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:03 AM
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70. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:05 AM
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72. why did you leave out her "political experience" as a Goldwater campaigner?
doesn't THAT count for anything...? :shrug:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:14 AM
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75. Let's not forget that she is also a member of that Super Secret club
Called the Fellowship. Praying, worshiping and hobnobbing with such theocracy advocates such as Santorum and Brownback, among others. Hmm, why's that little tidbit not in her resume? <http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html>
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:24 AM
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79. To date, her one big executive-level experience was her health program,
and the wheels flew off that thing before they ever backed it out of the garage.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:30 AM
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80. Yes, and what has Obama done on that topic?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:32 AM
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81. I recall that he wasn't heading that panel, ma'am.
If you have evidence to the contrary, do present it.

I pick a vigorous intent over a failed effort any day.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:43 AM
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85. A virorous intent leading to what?
She made the effort, which gives her the experience to understand what made it fail the first time leading to understanding how to get it done now.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:01 AM
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90. That's also called "failure."
No sale.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:13 AM
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93. An attempt is experience that can be beneficial.
Sorry you don't see that.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:27 PM
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106. I see it, but we're hiring a president.
The Clintons had 8 years in the White House.

I see no health care plan.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:41 AM
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84. Now at what point in this biography did she cross that magic threshold
one needs to become President? Just asking? I would think there are some schools that might like to offer a course or something, maybe call it Presidential Threshold 101.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:44 AM
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86. Did Obama take that course?
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:46 AM
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87. Surprise, surprise. Can't answer that, just like Lieberwoman can't.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:46 AM
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88. Surprise, surprise. Can't answer that, just like Lieberwoman can't.
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