DU, the progressive community, & the democratic party must call an end to this NOW

[debbierlus]

This has to stop. Now.

They will destroy each other, and then they will ensure a McCain win in November. I have contemplated that a dem loss might be a good thing in November with the hope the nation would be ready for a candidate of true change in four more years, and a true progressive and candidate of political policy change may take POTUS. However, McCain is such an incredible nut, a war mongering crazy man who WILL invade Iran and may very well start WWIII. He is really dangerous, and he still holds the main stream media's good will. There certainly is a risk that any dem who takes office in 08 will become the scapegoat when the consequences of eight years of Bush hits the fan. This likelyhood increases with the dems split and a dem elected nominee only supported by half the party.

First, we must call a truce on DU and all progressive communities and call for the end to bashing of BOTH candidates.

Second, we must call & write the campaigns and demand an end to negative campaigning.

Third, we should demand the DNC bring in Gore or some other neutral party elders and negotiate a deal with the two camps to stop this insanity.

And, btw, I do NOT care who started it. I just care who ENDS it.

Now.

[onehandle]

1. It all has to stop. Especially the bashing here.

Sadly, it won't. Especially here.

[CTyankee]

2. My guess is that party elders are already doing this furiously behind the scenes.

Internecine wrangling will NOT do us any good in November, if history is our guide. Remember 1968? That convention with its violent confrontation was made to look like the Democratic party was in chaos and therefore couldn't govern. In 1972, remember the Tom Eagleton bombshell? George McGovern was made to look like a bumbling fool, even tho he was a wise and courageous man.

Democracies require a certain stability to thrive. Voters get nervous when they sense one party is "out of control." Up til now, that's been the Republican Party. But now it's looking like WE can't get our act together.

We've got to stop this before we get perceived as unstable, unable to govern, vituperative and hopelessly disorganized. It is NOT a blueprint for success come November...

[Horse with no Name]

16. At this point

my gut feeling is that BOTH candidates are irreparably harmed by this.
IF the party intercedes...the ONLY solution will be to put a different candidate forth because neither camp of either candidate is going to coalesce to the other. I don't even think a unity ticket will work.
The only thing I hope if the worse comes to pass, that a Populist Party will emerge out of the fragments of what is left of the Democratic Party.

[stillrockin]

3. We are fighting for the soul of our nation.

I will not cede to Hillary's divisive, scorched earth policies. She has been hyper-clear that she will pay ANY price to win. She does not campaign fairly and will not stop until there is nowhere to turn.

[CookCountyResident]

5. Would Hillary even listen to Gore?

Probably not.

[Horse with no Name]

8. You know it slays me

It really does...that Democrats have glommed on to "talking points".
I wish I had a dime for everytime one of obamafolk say "scorched earth policies".
I guess my question is...do you all have a website or some type of manual like the republicans do of which term to use when?

[rucky]

12. What would you call it?

Suggesting that McCain is better fit for the presidency than Obama? How will she resolve that statement if Obama wins the nomination?

Don't be so dismissive of this stuff. The negative tactics of both candidates will come back to bite us in the ass soon enough.

[KittyWampus]

13. We have a chance to spend McCain into the fucking ground & your girl who has NO CHANCE OF WINNING

insists on this? And trashing Obama outright?

These aren't talking points.

Clinton lost the fucking primary weeks ago by not showing up in every state.

[TooBigaTent]

25. Use of the term "your girl" reveals a less-than-liberal attitude. How would you respond

to a comment that stated "your boy Obama" ...?

This place is becoming more conservative by the minute.

[CTyankee]

14. See my post above which is based on observation of what happened to us when

we were in disarray in past elections: Republicans WON. We LOST.

[GoldieAZ49]

20. the soul of the nation? overly dramatic

fighting for the democratic party

oh the obamadrama of it all!

[stillrockin]

26. Dramatic, yes. Overly ? Maybe.

The point is, Hillary must not be allowed to destroy the Democratic Party in her quest to be President.

[rucky]

4. Snatching defeat from the Jaws of victory

Since 1968

I feel the urgency. It's disheartening. November was in the bag for us, and now it's not looking so good.

[Avalux]

6. The MSM is running with the story that Obama and Clinton HATE each other.

I am trying to look at this objectively, but this is something the Clinton camp started. They went negative and are trying to force Obama to do the same otherwise he looks weak. I hate this crap because it's what we see the GOP do to our candidates over and over and over. Hillary's tactic of elevating the enemy (McCain) in order to tear down another Democrat is the limit for me.

Something must be done otherwise our party will splinter and people like me will go away forever. I am so very tired of the negativity.

[Red Zelda]

7. I am finished with all things Clinton

Forever. There is nothing she won't do to win. Probably wants to put McInsane in her cabinet.

[TooBigaTent]

18. Don't trust Clinton and disagree with her corporatist positions. BUT, Obama is

the one who has stated that he wants to include repukes in his "unity" administration.

That, along with his DLC-like positions, makes him unacceptable as well.

Where, oh where, are the Democrats?

[Benhurst]

21. We've already had one "unity" administration too many.

There has been "unity" since 9/11. The criminal invasion of Iraq, the shredding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the erosion of our freedoms (even including Habeas Corpus!) have all been accomplished through unprecedented bipartisan cooperation, including that of our two leading candidates.

Enough already! Restore the Republic!

[ps1074]

9. it's all super delegates fault

If they can't see where this is all headed, they don't deserve a say at the convention. Even the ones that have not endorsed a candidate and even the ones that support Clinton realize there is no way she can win this thing. Even with FL and MI seated, even if she wins everything till the end. Math just don't add up.

All of the uncommited delegates need to call for her to drop out. They just need to tell her that they will back Obama but it better be now and not wait and watch her damages more and more the democratic nominee.

[Benhurst]

23. Yeah, democracy at work.

Maybe they can make her an offer she can't refuse.

Al Capone would be proud.

[aquarius dawning]

10. The supporters of both candidates have way too much invested in their champions to accept anything

short of total victory. This fight will continue until Denver (and beyond in all likelihood).

[KittyWampus]

11. "they" will destroy each other? THEY? There's only one Democrat reaping path of destruction.

It's the one who has zero chance of getting a large majority of pledged delegates or even winning over more super delegates.

[mjg540]

15. YOU WANT THE SUPER DELEGATES TO VOTE VIA STATE

I guess that means Obama has to give up Kerry and Kennedy. Poster is Right....stop! The democratic party will be around long after Clinton and Obama, let the Super Delegates vote for the party.

[Upton]

17. HRC is attempting to overturn the will of the people

you want us to just sit by and ignore it?

[olkaz]

19. I'd LOVE to see some evidence that this is going to hurt us in November

Internet forum garbage means nothing, and collectively, we represent .00001 percent of the party.

I swear, all this "think about the children!" talk is really getting old.

If it hurts your feelings so much, get off the computer.

[CTyankee]

22. Not if you take a cold, hard look at the past. See my post above.

My friend, I have lived too long and seen too many of my Democratic candidates go down in defeat because of this kind of inner party strife and mayhem. This is not hand wringing. It is just a warning that either we learn from history or (well, you know the rest...).

[NorthernSpy]

24. Yeah, and who's "they" that's doing all this negative campaigning, debbierlus?

Now that you mention it, who exactly IS handing it to McCain?


(Hint: she boosted McCain twice against our own frontrunner.)