Obama's website has added Texas as a win on his website!

[Renew Deal]

[babylonsister]

1. Excellent! Now the m$$m need to catch up. nt

[KittyWampus]

They won't. And Obama's campaign is going to fail if they don't get in fucking gear

[babylonsister]

21. I'm wondering where

Axelrod, et al, are, and WTH are they doing? I'm not hearing anything from them.

[KittyWampus]

30. it is pissing me off.

[Coexist]

57. they have been on some a.m. shows

I think they are slowing down, recharging and getting ready to roll out their adjusted game plan.

Plus they have a primary coming up on Saturday.

[babylonsister]

59. Thanks. I didn't know they've been out and about. Not a word on m$nbc. nt

[hueyshort]

63. Just like Bush in 2000

didn't win, but President anyway.

[jenmito]

93. Olbermann covered it! And he talked about it with Eugene Robinson. n/t

[Cha]

68. Wow! Just amazing what they're goin'

through with attacks on all fronts.

I saw a friend I hadn't seen in awhile and we always talked politics around 2004..so I asked what she thought of the primary so far and she said, "WHAT IS SHE DOING?!" So many people pissed at hilary here in New York.

[Coexist]

72. she's really screwing this up for us.

she needs to let go.

[JackORoses]

50. chill out. Hillary can't win another Delegate for 7 weeks.

It will all be over before long.

[Cha]

89. From your keyboard to the

goddess of Light! B-)

[Pirate Smile]

2. Kewl!

[Skink]

3. It is....

More republicans tried to game the system by voting Independant and for Hillary instead of Obama so he wouldn't get the win.

this is the skewed logic behind the Texas dem caucus. If you declared and then voted democratic in the primary you could also then caucus for the dems.

Texas should not have an open primary and not have a caucus.

[splat]

4. 2.5 million voters vs. 100 thousand caucus-goers. right. sheesh.

[Goblinmonger]

10. So would you be bitching

if Hillary won the caucus?

[splat]

41. Yes, if they were using it to negate the primary

[Goblinmonger]

61. It's not negating shit

They have delegates that are given through the primary and delegates that are given through the caucus. Been the rules for quite some time.

[Renew Deal]

14. More delegates vs. less delegates

Hillary had the votes. Why couldn't she get them to the caucus? It was the two step. They both won one and he won his more.

[WolverineDG]

18. They paid them to show up here

$25 was the going rate.

dg

[Exilednight]

26. Do you have proof, or just an allegation?

[Renew Deal]

34. Who paid whom?

And any proof for this bullshit?

[WolverineDG]

73. Overheard at the caucus

"the only reason I'm still here is because the boss is paying me $25."

dg

[Bongo Prophet]

81. for the sake of clarity, who is "the boss" in this scenario?

I read one anecdote of that, but that is just one instance, and i don't have any idea as to the validity of it.

Our precinct was 100% fairly counted. i know, because I counted them, with both sides watching :)

[WolverineDG]

85. I can only speculate

the only thing the person said was "the boss."

dg

[Bongo Prophet]

90. Hmmm........Then it must be Bruce Springsteen!!! Solved!!

Stand in awe of my sleuthing skillz!


Hey, thanx to you in the Tx forum.
You folks have been superb, and so much nicer than most in here.

Our precinct would have been clueless and leaderless without Ms Prophet and me - and that is in large part due to sonias, you and Mrsbrady for the encouragement to be brave and step to the plate after we found out the chair was going to be a no-show just hours prior.

I hate public speaking, but we got those votes counted fairly, and that is what matters! :thumbsup:

[WolverineDG]

92. Yup, that's what matters

thanks for the :thumbsup: & welcome to the Texas forum. :) We're a wild & wacky bunch.

dg

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

33. Her voters had to get back home so they wouldn't miss Limbaugh

[Renew Deal]

35. Hannity was starting.

Didn't want to miss it I suppose.

[shraby]

28. It's all in the delegates won.

[tabasco]

38. That's a lie.

Texas primary votes:

Clinton: 1,458,821
Obama: 1,357,495

If you include the 1,000,000 plus who participated in the caucus, the popular vote is a tie, at best, for Clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[JackORoses]

51. It was actually over a million Caucus goers

Get it right or don't blab about it.

[RoadRage]

66. Right.. 2.5 million voters, but Republicans weren't going to Caucus for her too..

That's asking a bit to much - even if you are RUSH.

No, Caucuses show the true intent of the Dems in TX - and they wanted Obama. The Republicans had their fun at the Primary though, and Clinton can send Limbaugh a nice Thank-You letter.. thanks to him & his stupid Repug follwers, she's still alive in this game.

[tekisui]

80. Hillary only won by 100,000 votes out of that 2.5 million.

[RoadRage]

83. And in TX.. i am sure at least 100,000 Republicans

decided to take Limbaugh's word as law and vote for her. It only takes a little bit.. and it seemed to do the job.

Well, sort of. Turns out he actually won TX anyway when all is said & done!

[tekisui]

77. THe Texas Primary win for HIllary was only by 100,000.

The caucus is built in to force a boots on the ground, organized campaign.

[thoughtcrime1984]

87. Total votes between Caucus and Primary= Obama win

same with the total delegates. Texas ultimately became a true win for Obama!

[NMMatt]

88. As opposed to Hillary claiming victory in the politburo Michigan primary?

At least Clinton supporters had the opportunity to vote for her. Apparently they don't care enough about the election to caucus. They must be lazy or uninformed.

[jenmito]

94. A million people caucused in TX.

[rateyes]

103. Try a million caucus goers...

10 times what you said.

[Metric System]

5. More proof of how dishonest he is. He sure does like to play with the truth.

[NightWatcher]

6. he won more delegates in Texas based on the rules that have been in place for years

I forgot that Queen Hillary doesnt like to play by the rules.

[WolverineDG]

13. Only when she loses

you didn't hear her whining about it when Bill used the caucuses to win in 1992.

dg

[neverforget]

76. Or Hillary in Nevada

[ExFreeper4Obama]

7. He won Texas

More delegates means he won. Don't be a sore loser.

[tularetom]

9. Nothin dishonest about it

He won more delegates in Texas than that woman did. Ergo he won texas.

[Renew Deal]

11. He won the caucus and won more delegates

Thus winning the state.

[WolverineDG]

12. Unlike all the Hillary people at my party's HQ last night

only verifying "those Obama people" & not those who signed in for Hillary.

dg

[Renew Deal]

16. What?

What are you talking about?

[WolverineDG]

19. We have to audit the sign-in sheets

lots of errors, missing information, people showing up at the wrong precinct, etc. You strike those entries & then if need be, recalculate the threshold & delegate count.

dg

[Renew Deal]

36. What was wrong with Hillary's supporters?

They were not legit? Does this affect the votes?

[WolverineDG]

71. No, they were trying to knock out

as many Obama supporters as they could, while at the same time, giving everyone who signed in for Hillary a pass.

dg

[Not the Only One]

55. Fine

Hillary won the Texas primary. Obama actually won the whole state.

[JVS]

102. Count the delegates

WOOOT!

[sandnsea]

8. Good, it's the delegates that matter

You know, those pesky rules, the same ones the Clintons like to refer to when discussing superdelegates.

[peoli]

15. woot!

[Arkansas Granny]

17. Has there been an official announcement of that win?

[Texas Hill Country]

20. That is disigenuous of him....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. No it's not.

Obama's won Texas. It's dishonest to say otherwise.

[Texas Hill Country]

42. I am from Texas, and yes, yes it is.

He may have won the caucus and may end up with more delegates, but he DID NOT win the popular vote.

This is what is and always has been the measure for the claim in Texas.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Sorry, no.

The only thing that matters is the delegate count.

If Texans wanted Hillary, they should have stuck around and voted for her in the caucus.

[Texas Hill Country]

48. Sure, dont trust the guy from texas what the tradition for the claim has always been....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. I don't automatically trust people from Texas, no.

I've got good reason too.

That said, it sure looks like I understand the Texan nominee selection process better than some Texans. In fact, it looks like a lot of them didn't understand it. Well, at least the Clinton supporters.

[rateyes]

106. I was a delegate to the Texas Democratic Convention in 1988,

and I disagree with you.

[tammywammy]

70. I'm from Texas

It's the delegate count that matters, not popular vote.

[JackORoses]

74. The popular vote only serves to award delegates.

I'm from Texas and I find your claim to be bullshit.

Delegates are what elect a Nominee.

[snappyturtle]

96. I'm from Hill Country too. Maybe you think the popular count

decides the winner but alas, it is not true. Delegates from the popular vote AND (with) the delegates from the conventions (caucus) is what decides the winner...just as the electoral count in the GE. Hillary has +4 from the primary and, so far, Obama is way ahead on the caucus. Hopefully, we'll know the size of his victory soon.

[RareLubbockDem]

99. I don't post here much...

but I'm a Texan too. A lifelong proud one at that. And one that, as a Texan, obeys and understands the rules, and honors them.

He won Texas.

That's the result.

[Zachstar]

22. Awesome!!!!

Notice that along the bottom the only state he is missing to have line from Texas to the Atlantic is Mississippi. Hopefully by the 12th he will have it!

[jzodda]

23. CNN reporting 41% counted but I don't see any indication of it being called yet

n/t

[Zynx]

24. I wonder how the majority of Texas Democrats feel about that.

[Colobo]

29. Obama has more delegates. He won. It's life.

[Zynx]

31. For a moment Ithought I warped back to 2000.

All of this "Screw the will of the people" stuff is pretty nuts.

[Texas Hill Country]

46. He might win more delegates, but he didnt win the state.

Let me say first that I am admittedly a Hillary supporter, BUT I am a fairminded person. The measure for "winning" Texas has always been the popular vote, not the caucus. Claiming the state is disingenuous on Obama's part.

[Zynx]

62. I cannot morally justify saying Obama won the state. I just can't.

The delegation will not reflect the will of the people and certainly not the majority of Democrats.

[galadrium]

25. He got more delegates, sounds like a win to me!

I love Hillary's hollow victories.

[AZ Criminal JD]

32. Hillary has more delegates in Texas. Nice try

Hillary 92. Obama 91. More Obamaite BS. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

[galadrium]

64. Even if that were true...

Hillary will need to win the next 100 or so states with that kind of "victory" to catch up with Obama.

[AZ Criminal JD]

69. You don't understand how general elections are won, do you?

[galadrium]

75. I understand plenty, and we're talking about a primary

[Skink]

37. Texas is going to wish they anly had to worry about Chads when they sort

this out.

And what about people that showed up at the wrong precint? Did they get a provisional ballot? With the traffic nightmare going on( there were police stationed at every polling site in Bexar county specifically to monitor the traffic) there may not have been time to get to or a space to park in at the right polling place.

I voted early but had to work during the caucus.

[Kaylee]

39. Cool beans!

[jlake]

40. What a fucking sleazebag lying monster! The will of the people was HILLARY!

Such a Bushesqe campaign!

[dysfunctional press]

49. in a primary, the "winner" is the one who comes away with the most delegates.

in texas, that would be Obama.

[Texas Hill Country]

53. No he has not won the most delegates yet (some still to be assigned) and...

Texas' claim has always stemmed from the popular vote.

[Renew Deal]

82. Hillary lost

It was the two step and Hillary didn't know all the steps. :cry:

[rndmprsn]

43. K&R

[TexasLady]

44. DANGIT! I tried to say this Tuesday!

LOL, glad it is on the site!

[Maven]

47. And this kind of dishonesty is another reason I can't support him.

Just like he used technicalities to knock out every other candidate in his first run for elected office. It's more of the same weasel-y type of maneuvering.

[dysfunctional press]

54. if he won the most delegates, how is it dishonest?

in a primary election, it's the delegate count that determines the "winner".

[Eurobabe]

56. w00t!!

Hammer the media to get it right.

[rug]

58. He's math challenged.

2,500,000 > 100,000

[GarbagemanLB]

65. Yeah, and mathematically Hillary has no shot at catching Obama in pledged delegates.

[rug]

67. And he has no shot at getting a majority without cutting a deal with the supers. Deadlock.

[SoonerPride]

84. She can still be his Veep

That's what second place is for

[DerekJ]

91. what's the "100,000" referring to?

[JackORoses]

95. you are math challenged. I have already shown you that your numbers are false.

[Owl]

60. Fabulous!

K&R

[SoonerPride]

78. Cha-ching.

Another one in the bank.

[Scurrilous]

79. Fantatstic!

:thumbsup:

[adoraz]

86. awesome!

[polichick]

97. It's the delegates stupid!

[Catherine Vincent]

98. Talk about the Texas two-step.

Obama sucks on that dance.

[Yes We Did]

100. Yeah, but he won TEXAS. It's simple really...

If you win more delegates, you win the state.

[LulaMay]

101. How is it alright that he publishes something factually untrue? He did not win the primary. It's

disingenuous for his campaign to do something like that, even if he received more delegates in a caucus. If they were honest, they would post the delegate count, but I'd like to hear him tell Texas voters that he won their primary.

It makes him look like he's grasping at straws.

[rateyes]

104. There were two halves to that ballgame.

When the final buzzer sounded, Obama had more points. More points equals a win.

[GarbagemanLB]

105. How does winning more delegates from a state NOT equal a win?

[lewis_in_fw]

107. Because a minority of the people who took 3 hours of their day to vote a 2nd time....

Overturned the will of the majority

"1 person - 1 vote."

More Texas Democrats supported Hillary than Obama, and Obama calls it a win... Wow!

While he may be technically right as far as delegate allotment, it is quite disengenous.

Peace!