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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:15 PM
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The Obama/Clinton continuing drama: good for the party, bad for McCain
For a different point of view, and one well worth considering.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/06/democratic_primaries/

SNIP

The Democrats have reached the point where it is ludicrous to suggest that Clinton or Obama or all 795 superdelegates drop out of the race. When there is no clarity, there can be no early conclusion. Obama's 101-delegate lead, according to the Associated Press tally , is not exactly a definitive manifestation of the popular will when 2,025 is the magic number for nomination. While Obama is indisputably ahead, no presidential candidate in modern memory has ever hoisted the white flag at this stage in the campaign with the contest this close. Whether it was Ronald Reagan against Jerry Ford in 1976 or Ted Kennedy against Jimmy Carter in 1980 or Gary Hart seemingly against the world in 1984, the expectation was that even last-ditch battles would be decided at the convention.

But somewhere along the way, presidential politics went from a blood sport to a bland sport. The leaders of both parties decreed that political conventions had to be scripted like an Oscar telecast. The Democrats in 2004 (thank you, Bob Shrum and co.) were so afraid of controversy that they even stripped out most attacks on George W. Bush from the convention program. Small wonder the networks treat the non-news conventions like cheesy summer-replacement series that no one is expected to watch. And having stripped the lifeblood out of once raucous conventions (the Democrats went through 103 steamy ballots in 1924), the next step was to decide on early nominees so that the fall campaign could commence before it was even spring.


Beginning with Bill Clinton in 1992 (who was, to be technical, nominally opposed by Jerry Brown until the California primary), the de facto presidential nominees have all been selected by March at the latest. And a fat lot of good it has done them. Clinton, at one point in June 1992, was running third in the national polls behind both President George H.W. Bush and Ross Perot. In 1996, Bob Dole felt so stymied by Clinton that he resigned from the Senate seat he loved to concentrate on the presidential race. Even though Al Gore had five months before the convention to develop a winning strategy in 2000, he did little during this period to forestall his hanging-chad finale. And not long after a confident John Kerry wrapped up the nomination in March 2004 the first Swift boat attacks appeared -- and went unanswered.

John McCain announced Tuesday that he would be heading for Florida on Thursday to campaign in West Palm Beach. But the problem McCain faces is that he still has a faceless opponent with the Democratic race far from settled. So, in effect, McCain will be shadowboxing against a vague entity called Obama-Clinton. The result is that (just wait and see) McCain will find it difficult to make news since there is no longer any drama to anything that he does until it becomes time to pick a running mate. The Project for Excellence in Journalism, which monitors media coverage, found that last week the Democratic race generated four times the attention of the Republicans. And that news blackout occurred when McCain still had a nominal opponent in Mike Huckabee.

So rather than fantasizing about a soporific and conflict-free nomination fight, the Democrats should recognize the value of what they have stumbled into. The contest between Obama and Clinton -- this battle of historic firsts -- has the entire nation hanging on the edge of their seats. Who with any sense of show business would think of pulling down the curtain when the audience is shouting for more? But, then, if the Democrats had any sense of what the public craved, George W. Bush probably would not be in the White House.




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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:21 PM
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1. The last sentence is made of gold, nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:25 PM
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2. You are right! I wish everybody would read that far.
Or read this at all.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:28 PM
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3. I should be a columnist
then I'd get paid to flesh out ideas that I already suspect are true. I've been saying for a while now that the brokered convention can work out in our favor.

I think that half of DU could probably do just as good a job as most people in politics. They just entered a different field and instead of making a career out of these observations, we just do it as a hobby.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:31 PM
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6. I think anyone on my block would make a better President
than the one we have now.

Maybe anyone in my TOWN.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:34 PM
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10. George Bush could be nicknamed Prince Nepotism
As Gloria Steinem said, he'd be selling used cars right now if it weren't for his dad.

Most people in your town are more qualified than George Bush to be president. I'm sure that most people in your town haven't had a string of failed business ventures before being handed the reins of one of the largest states in the country.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:35 PM
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11. Personally, I call him the Narcissist-in-Chief. n/t
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vireo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:29 PM
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4. Especially Howard Dean!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:31 PM
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5. I agree with the OP
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:32 PM
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7. McCain is going on a tour of defining himself...now that he doesn't have Democrats to define him
This is a HUGE advantage for McCain. Hillary and Obama are too busy fighting each other to spend any time defining McCain or trying to frame the issues for the general election. Again, the REps get to define themselves and frame the debate. The media are NOT going to ignore this, they will help McCain every chance they can!

We are handing the election to mccain if we keep this up. How dumb and arrogant can we be? Do we really think we can't lose in November? McCain is already leading in some polls. He has plenty of time to pad that lead while we bicker.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:34 PM
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9. He's defining himself by being pro-Iraq war, pro-Bush,
and anti-health care.

I'm not too worried.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:36 PM
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12. He seems to be on the opposite end of public opinion
on nearly every position. There are a lot of positive signs for us in the fall, but until all of the votes are in I'll probably be knocking on wood until November.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:37 PM
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13. The thing that scares me is not McCain on the campaign trail.
It's the reality of election fraud.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:40 PM
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15. You should be. He has higher favorability than either Obama or
Clinton, and now he has the opportunity to improve those ratings in a vacume. It's not all about issues, by any means. The OP is foolish in the extreme, and McCain's time to rise in the polls and consolidate the base, as well as his appeal to indies and disaffected dems, without any meaningful opposition are criticism is a big fat gift.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:55 PM
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17. This going on until the convention means that we get most of the air time
right now people are fixated on Clinton and Obama. We're the ones that people are interested about watching and reading about. That being said, if Clinton would start criticizing McCain instead of complimenting him we'd be better off.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:12 PM
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19. Yes, we can certainly do without any positive comments about McCain! n/t
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:11 PM
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18. He's not going to rise in the polls by consolidating his base.
His base is in major conflict with the rest of the country.

The last poll said that 57% of Americans identified as Democrats, and 35% as Republicans. And the Independents are strongly against the Iraq war, just like the Dems. The more McCain makes his positions known, the lower his popularity will go.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:17 PM
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20. CAN he even consolidate his base?
With folks like Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, et al railing against him with all their might? He's in trouble with the right.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:41 PM
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22. He can define himself all he wants to. Right now, he doesn't get media coverage
and voters don't see a lot of him.

Besides that, as soon as we have a nominee, it is easy to define him just as another Bush: More wars, worse economy, less health care, and less individual rights and freedoms.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:33 PM
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8. Yes!
Excellent OP.

K/R
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:37 PM
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14. K and R!
:kick:
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:50 PM
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16. A big K&R...
:kick:
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:37 PM
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21. "...this battle of historic firsts -- has the entire nation hanging on the edge of their seats"
I agree. Since McCain got the nomination, he doesn't get covered in the press as much.

The only party that gets all of the media attention are the Democrats...and the "battle of historic firsts..."

And, as the article states, McCain doesn't have a clear opponent to attack.

However, I'd like to see the rhetoric scaled back in both campaigns. Stop personal attacks and stop saying good things about Republicans.



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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:53 PM
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24. I agree with everything you say, including the very last sentence.
They should be saving all the sniping for McCain, who is a very big, clear, target.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:40 PM
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23. K and R.
Thanks for posting this. For those who live in the unreal world, they need to be reminded of the real one.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:39 PM
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25. Thought provoking!
K&R.
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