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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:32 PM
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Barack Obama--Walk through the door Hillary opened...
Hillary Clinton opened a door for Barack Obama when she suggested that she and McCain
both had the foreign-policy experience necessary to answer that red phone and handle
a crisis.

What an opportunity for Obama.

McCain and Hillary both represent Washington as usual and politicians who have--for years--contributed
to the problems in Washington and worsened them. Since Hillary drew a parallel between herself and
McCain--and tried to position Obama as the odd man out, Obama needs to walk through this open door
and really speak the truth about why he is different than McCain and Clinton.

Cement Clinton and McCain together. Tell Clinton that you agree with her, "I think you are right Hillary, that
you and John McCain are birds of a feather. McCain wants to remain in Iraq for another 100 years and he was just
endorsed by George Bush. You, Hillary voted for the Iraq war and you sided with George Bush on your Kyl/Lieberman
vote. You two are clearly on the same side, representing yesterday's politics and America is tired of the
failures of the past. You are willing to pay value to John McCain's foreign-policy positions when he says
that the Iraq war could go on for another 100 years. Your views and John McCain's views are out of step with
the majority of Americans."

Take Hillary's insulting blunder one step further and pair bond those two as yesterday's, out-of-touch
Washington insiders who would give us more of the same.

Obama needs to walk through that door that Hillary opened for him and capitalize on this opportunity. He
has to come out strong and say these things. Outsmarting her and using her own ridiculous ploys to his
advantage will make Hillary look weak and Obama look superior.

Obama speaks in Laramie tonight. I hope he capitalizes on this opportunity.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:35 PM
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1. This is an opening for Obama....tie Clinton to McCain
His response should be to challenge both of their judgements and their shared mistaken views....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:59 PM
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17. PUT THEM IN BED TOGETHER at 3 AM as the phone rings. Bill will be with Monica in the GOP ads.
Count on it.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:36 PM
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2. Right, he doesn't need to stoop to her level n/t
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:37 PM
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3. a continuation of experience vs. judgment
This is another example of Obama's most salient talking point.

What's really ironic about Clinton's comparison between her and McCain's lifetimes of experience is that this will come back to bite her in the GE. She can't compete with him on experience if she wins the nom. If this is about experience he'll blow her out of the water. If she continues down this track she'll have to say that she have to admit that she has less experience, but was right on the issues and had better judgment.

That talking point sounds pretty familiar, doesn't it?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:38 PM
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4. yea, he could run with that.
experience is not the end all of everything.

both mc same and clinton are from the old status quo, and young people are not going to stream to them the way they stream to Obama.


what do americans want change or experience? and national security will be another talking point, what about our domestic scene right now which deteriorates every day.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:40 PM
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5. He's speaking in Casper right now. He needs to get something out with this tape coming in of
Hillary slamming his entire campaign. Because until he does, all the press has is Hillary. That's all they've had for days now.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:45 PM
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8. Hey K Gardner!....Why is the media acting this way?
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:45 PM by TwoSparkles
:hi:

Since you mentioned the media's total attention on Hillary, I thought I'd
ask why you thought the media is doing this.

It's as if we woke up and we have a new media now. Obama is being ignored.
Yesterday, I couldn't find one story on him, in CNN's front page. They're
ignoring the Texas caucus, and not even speaking about Wyoming and Miss.
It's as if they're following her marching orders.

The media seems like they have completely turned on Obama and have decided to
help Hillary.

Have any ideas on why this is happening? It's pretty creepy.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:56 PM
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14. I don't know, TS.. but its totally freaking me out. Like waking up in
an alternate universe. I literally have barely seen his face on television since the SNL fiasco. Its not just that they are ignoring him, they are ignoring legitimate stories and obviously slanting the coverage. Keith Olbermann is the ONLY exception to this.

Maybe they wanted the ratings bonanza to continue and the only way to do that was to help ensure a Hillary "comeback".. even if it is by declaring she won states she didn't win (TX) and focusing on nonstories (monster) and not retracting mistakes (NAFTA). Whatever the reason, it is fact that this is happening and not paranoia on our parts. Is there anything we can do? I don't know. Hillary has figured out that NASTY WORKS and makes sure she spews nasty into the microphone at least three times a day. This is getting reported 24/7 because she is pushing it 24/7. She is making Obama disappear and he is allowing it to happen.

Will this change? I don't know.. MSNBC is now waiting to release the latest tape of yet another assault on Obama, "the invisible candidate."
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:06 PM
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19. I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one...
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 02:09 PM by TwoSparkles
...who noticed this.

Like you said, Obama is being ignored. She is getting so much press. Legitimate stories (Hillary Nafta) are being
ignored. Why bothers me most is the Texas caucus. Hillary needed that ignored. They're giving her that. WHY????

The media obviously knows that Hillary cannot and will not win. She cannot win with the math. He'll have more
delegates, more of the popular vote and more states. She's toast. Could it be that the media is giving her what
she wants for a while, because they know that very soon, they will be forced to deal with reality and be in Obama's
camp--when it becomes apparent that he will be the nominee? It's obvious that the Supers are breaking for him too...a slow
drip that will hurt her and help Obama solidify his lead.

It's been widely reported that she berates and bullies the media--commanding them on how to cover Obama and complaining
about his positive coverage. Could it be that they're just caving???

You're right. Obama needs to fight like a dog. They aren't even covering his rallies!

Is that true that Hillary is criticizing him as the "silent candidate" as you said? So, she orchestrated
the non-coverage of him--through her bullying--and now she'll use that against him? Tell me again, the definition
of monster, because I'm thinking that she's a big, fat, fanged, winged, horned monster from hell!

So nice of the media to help Hillary attack Obama with her new "Obama is invisible" PR ploy.

Revolting.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:10 PM
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21. I don't know.. caving maybe, but it has to come from higher up to nearly totally
block out coverage of him and to stop covering his rallies. Her latest Obama quote is running banner on MSNBC: "This raises DISTURBING QUESTIONS about the Obama camp." See a theme there?

He may be trying to just get through WY and MS without engaging, but everyday the media cuddles up with Hillary and acts as her spokesman, he loses some momentum. People need to be getting to know Obama now.. not having him disappear and be replaced by a Framing created by the Monster of Chappaqua. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:36 PM
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33. "Monster of Chappaqua"... chuckle. Unfortunately, you'll now have to resign from the Obama campaign
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM
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34. Yes, the media has been cowed ...
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:40 PM by krkaufman
... but the media owners certainly know how much money is in the offing if they can keep the Democratic campaign going. You think they haven't taken note of the February funding numbers* for both campaigns, and are salivating at the ad money that might roll-in? (* $90 million collected; $55 million for Obama, $35 for Clinton)
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:33 PM
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32. ugh. So, what's this "latest tape"?
p.s. Totally agree re: Olbermann. He's being railed-upon as biased -- merely because he's the only cable news source critically reviewing campaign actions against reality. Everyone else just seems to be echoing Clinton campaign press releases and statements.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:57 PM
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23. They have always wanted a Hillary vs Republican matchup...
She has been propped up so many times over the past months I don't think we could count the ways. Of course, all this will change the moment she clinches the nomination. Then the deluge will start.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:05 PM
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25. How is she going to clinch the nomination...
...when she doesn't have the delegates?

Mathematically, she can't win. Even with FL and MI--she can't win.

Plus, the Supers are breaking for Obama.

She wants us to think that she's going to win, even though it's impossible.

She's working us over--trying to position herself as the winner and Obama as the weak loser.

If she were ahead like Obama, in delegates and in the popular vote, she could be calling for him
to step down every damn day. She's be demanding that every person in Washington, that she knows,
appear on the national media and call for Obama to get out now, for the sake of the party. It
would be non-stop ugly.

I'll give her this...she really knows how to lie and manipulate. It's fiendish.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:12 PM
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26. The media want her as nominee, but a weakened Obama will do...
How can Hillary get the nomination? Not on pledged delegates. THe only way is by making deals in smoke filled rooms with the SDs. She may also get do-overs in MI and FL.

If Obama goes way down in the polls, there would be more pressure on the sds to side with Hillary. So the media will help all they can.

Every time Hillary looks like she is down, the media props her up. It is uncanny.

I think it is probably past the point where Hillary can get the nomination without a totally shattered Democratic Party. This would of course be the media's real joy....
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:52 PM
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11. Also interesting, is that Obama is speaking now...
...and there is no media coverage of it AT ALL.

WTF is going on?

It's a total Obama blackout. This is really obvious and it's jarring.

I'm not asking for glowing, positive coverage. They aren't even covering
him AT ALL and they're acting as Hillary's PR agency.

This is really disturbing.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:57 PM
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16. Yes, exactly. We're back in Al Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004 Territory. I think
that's why I'm so upset. I'm having flashbacks.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:52 PM
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12. The press is ignoring him--they only show Hillary and her surrogates, and
the shit they say about Obama.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:03 PM
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18. Hillary: "This raises DISTURBING questions about Obama's camp". Now he's DISTURBING?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:14 PM
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27. raising questions about tax returns and library is DISTURBING if you are Hillary...
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:41 PM
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6. I agree with you.
But if he uses your words, that would be plagiarism - the worst crime ever!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:48 PM
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9. I'd give him permission, so no plagiarism!
Let's just hope his advisers are giving him similar advice.

He also needs to do the big rallies again. He can't stop just
because Hillary mocked those rallies. Those rallies contributed
to his visibility and stoked enthusiasm for his candidacy.

He needs to come out swinging and smiling--like never before.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:43 PM
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7. Glad to be 5th rec - I agree with you.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:50 PM
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10. Yup. Obama represents himself as 'no more SSDD' n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 01:51 PM by BadgerKid
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:54 PM
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13. Maybe he is, and we're just not hearing about it?
:shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:57 PM
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15. Brilliant as always..I hope
Obama and his team are on the same wave length.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:07 PM
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20. Demand that she release her White House records NOW!
What is Hillary hiding?

No doubt those White House records, which the Clintons have now, will reveal the extensive foreign policy experience which H. Clinton touts.

RIGHT, HILLARY?

THEN RELEASE THOSE RECORDS NOW!!

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:02 PM
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24. There are PLENTY of issues to talk about. I don't understand
the focus on tax returns. I think it's besides the point and small. I think if you focus too much on it, and get the returns released, the emphasis could backfire if there's nothing there to write home about.

At the most, Obama could talk about how he's NOT going to demand tax return release because he wants to talk about things of importance. In this way, the tax return issue makes it into a sound bite in which he's clearly taking the high road.

"To my knowledge, there nothing interesting in the Clinton tax returns"

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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:22 PM
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28. LMAO.
Why doesn't Clinton release her records today then? Why did Clinton DEMAND that her opponent in the Senate race, Rick Lazio, release his records??

It's not just the tax records, it's the records of her time as First Lady. The Clintons have those records now. She doesn't want those records released because they will show NO EVIDENCE of foreign policy experience.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm. What is Hillary hiding from Democratic voters?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/bradley-bill-clintons-f_n_90283.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/hillarys-unreleas_b_88915.html
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:45 PM
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22. McCain and Hillary's 'greater policy experience' got us a war that
has bankrupted us, created maimed people and orphans everywhere, allowed a dictator to ruin our country, destroyed us in the eyes of the world and give us the promise of war with Iran. Fuck them both.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:34 PM
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29. Excellent idea.
I hope he does it. Turn McCain and Bush into a ball and chain around her leg that she's unable to shed.

:applause:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:28 PM
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30. EGG-FRIGGIN-ZACHARY!!!
She and McCain have *both* passed the Commander-in-Chief threshold, in the George W Bush model.

But we're looking for a new style of leadership, we're looking to change direction from the Bush-McCain-Clinton militaristic, preemptive approach.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:29 PM
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31. A Clinton-McCain target is easier to hit.
Obama will crush them on their participation in the current foreign policy debacle.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:41 PM
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35. You've made my day!
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