Thank you, Samantha Power. You vocalized what everyone was thinking and took one for the Team.

[JackORoses]

Though you have had to resign, you did not go without landing a mortal blow to Hillary.

The MSM are running with this, and though the story seems to be about an advisor resignation,
it is actually about Hillary's Dirty Deeds.

That is what people will garner from this story. They don't know who Samantha Power is and will not remember her after today.
But they will remember the crystallization of a picture of Hillary.
They will be reminded of all the reasons they are uneasy about Hillary in the first place.
Blind ambition combined with ruthless actions.

Thank you Samantha Power. You said what everyone else has been afraid to say.
You spoke the truth, and the truth has a funny way of affecting People once they start to roll it over in their minds.

Now, Hillary will have to come face to face with her Karmic imbalance on the Public Stage.
It is about time.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. Word

[Name removed]

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[Scurrilous]

2. Yep.

:thumbsup:

[tekisui]

3. I salute you Samatha Power.

She is a great human being who has devoted her life to helping those who are killed and oppressed around the world.

The word monster connotes something wrong/evil; e.g.: a monstrous being is: very morally objectionable.

[nels25]

45. Some would say that descri bes Hillary and Bill

you decide.

[SoFlaJet]

4. I'm no longer afraid to say it Jack

I hate her now

[jezebel]

5. I agree. And I have a few suggestions for other things HRC needs to be called. She disgusts me. NT

[springhill]

6. The truth? That Hillary is a monster?

Really, moderators, how in the world are posts like this allowed? I don't get this place at all anymore.

[Cha]

16. Open your

eyes and read about what little hilly's been up to then.

[springhill]

36. Nothing she has said or done demonstrates that she is a monster.........

and those kinds of posts don't belong here. Period.

[JackORoses]

18. Hillary's actions have been monstrous.

She broke the most important rule of Party Politics.

She has favored the opposition Nominee over one of her own for purely selfish reasons.

That is the act of a Monster.

[springhill]

37. Oh brother.................

it's no wonder this forum has gone to hell with that kind of reasoning.

[ThatPoetGuy]

46. And Obama has favored opposition ideas over those of his own.

Every time I hear an Obama supporter refer to universal health care as "mandates," or hear the Orwellian doublespeak of poor people "opting out" of health care they can't afford, I am sickened.

Barack Obama spread homophobia and sexism across America, he polluted the quest for universal health care, he spread falsehoods about his liberal critics, he played up right-wing stereotypes of labor unions and personal injury law, and he did these monstrous things out of his own personal ambition.

And yes, I'm supporting him over Hillary, because I think he can beat McCain. He'd better, because his campaign has hurt America, and as President, he'd better make up for it.

[milkyway]

74. When did Obama talk about poor people "opting out" of health care? And Hillary's plan is Mandatory

Purchase of Healthcare Insurance. If it's not "mandates," then why is she criticizing Obama's plan for not mandating everyone is covered?

[ThatPoetGuy]

77. Orwellian, to the extreme.

milkyway, I'm sorry, you've been lied to. Just think about what you said.

You realize it's nonsense, right?

Obama is criticizing mandatory health care because it doesn't allow poor people to opt out of health coverage. Except "opt out" is one of those sick, disgusting, right-wing euphemisms; poor people opt out of health care because they can't afford it, and Rush Limbaugh and Barack Obama pretend that that's an expression of freedom.

It's sick, it's disgusting, anyone who believes this has been deceived.

[milkyway]

100. I don't understand at all what you are saying. First, when did Obama criticize mandatory (purchase)

of healthcare (insurance) because it doesn't allow poor people to opt out? Everyone will have access under Obama's plan, and poor people will be fully covered financially.


There are 3 types of people who do not have health insurance right now:

--those denied by the insurance companies because of pre-existing conditions

--those who want healthcare insurance, but cannot afford to buy it

--those who can afford healthcare insurance, but choose not to purchase it. These are usually low-risk young people who do not want to pay hundreds of dollars a month for something they will rarely need. Some think purchasing healthcare insurance is a bad financial decision for them, only necessary if an unlikely catastrophic illness or accident occurs.


Both Obama's plan and Hillary's plan will handle the first two groups essentially the same--nobody can be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions, and both plans try to lower the cost of coverage for all, particularly low income.

It's the third group that gets treated differently. Hillary will require that they purchase insurance, while Obama will not. A good argument can be made for Hillary's position--these low-risk people need to purchase coverage because it's a bad financial deal for them, so their funds are used to subsidize the high-risk people who take more out of the system than they pay in. Clinton, however, rarely makes this argument because she knows it is not politically palatable to many voters. And she refuses to say how she will force people to purchase insurance--fines, garnish wages, jail? She won't say.

In Massachusetts, despite stiff fines, some people still do not purchase insurance. So they are still without coverage, and now have been hit with a fine on top of it. And so even with mandates, there will still be people left uncovered under Hillary's plan--those who simply refuse to purchase it.

If Hillary is afraid to honestly make the case for her plan to Dem voters, then she knows there is no way in hell she can sell her plan to the country at large, and she knows that her plan will never make it through Congress. No republicans will vote for it, and red-state Dems will not do so, either. Particularly in the plains states and mountain west states with a strong libertarian streak, red-state Dems will lose their seats if they try to sell her plan to their constituency--the government wants to force them to purchase something because it's "for their own good." This is a big reason why Hillary will be toxic for down-ticket Dems in these states.

[ingac70]

27. Yep, a monster...

and a stalking horse for John McCain.

[springhill]

38. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah...................

[musicblind]

92. I don't either

I am really starting to wonder if there ARE rules in DU anymore?

[babylonsister]

7. Thank you, Ms. Power. nt

[islandmkl]

8. !!

:bounce:


:thumbsup:

[bigtree]

9. Obama let her go, so someone is a fraud. Obama or his supporters here defending her.

[JackORoses]

25. maybe the Monster is a fraud. did you ever take that into account?

Or were you too disturbed about what you would find out about yourself in doing so?

[carlotta]

10. Is this the new kind of politics that Obama has been promising?

It's what he built his entire campaign around--that the negative politics of the past are over, that he would rise above the fray to usher in a new era.

bwahaha. I guess his supporters never believed that part of his campaign because they're lovin' flinging all the name-calling they can dig out of the toilet.

[JackORoses]

32. Actually Power was just pointing out that the Politics of the past are Monstrous

Hillary is the Poster Child of the Old Divisive Politics.

She who practices monstrous Politics becomes a Monster.

[Name removed]

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[mythyc]

84. it took me 7 years to find it....!

not taking a side in this argument, though i hope my support for barack says i'm not replying here to defend hillary and therefore just want to interject that that kind of generalization is illogical.



not really defending anyone, just saying that (1) it is possible that people like me do come here as honest fresh arrivals and (2) it might be hasty to leap to that the assumption that all recent members are trolling. some maybe are, but the world is larger than this little oasis :)

standing up for newbies everywhere--don't disenfrachize us man ;)!

[Eurobabe]

80. which reincarnated DUer are you?

Meet my ignore list. C'ya!

[MrCoffee]

11. Samantha Power is so much better than some cheap political campaign

[MonkeyFunk]

12. See, here's the basic problem with a lot of you guys

She didn't say what "everyone" was thinking. She said what Clinton-haters were thinking.

You think everybody agrees with you, and you get angry when people point out that's not the case.

Most Democrats do NOT agree with your assessment of Clinton - that's why she's gained more votes among Democrats.

[stillrockin]

22. What you say is not true. She is not the beloved figure you imagine her to be.

And we are not Clinton-haters per se. We are simply voters with critical thinking skills.

[springhill]

42. I see.........

Those who are for Obama having critical thinking skills, and those for Clinton do not. You are one piece of work.

[stillrockin]

54. I did not say that those for Clinton do not. You drew your own conclusion.

[MonkeyFunk]

59. Not everyone hates Clinton and thinks she's a monster.

That's why she's about tied with Obama, and leads him among Democrats. It's obvious that not everybody thinks she's a monster, as the OP claimed.

[nels25]

48. More votes among Democrats??

seems to me that Barack has a lead of around 600k in the popular vote over her.

And even if I give that, the broad public has at best ambivalent feelings about her, other wise how do you explain her high negatives?

And this is before the GOP goes on the offensive, do you thing they will gently into that good night?

Why should they??

Besides from a certain vantage point the GOP has nothing to lose since winning in the fall is considered at long odds, so why not go for the jugular? What are the Democrats going to do get mad?

Nuts it's not like we don't hate the living daylight out of Bush and the GOP already.

Consider this some.:think:

[MonkeyFunk]

60. Yes

she leads among Democrats. Deal with it.

Obama's negatives will be about as high as her's come the election. That's how politics works here.

[Jennifer C]

13. Yes. Thank you, Samantha.

:thumbsup:

[Cha]

14. "Took one for the team"..I like the way

you put that.

[K Gardner]

15. I think you need to wait until you see/hear Hillary's upcoming comments..

this is not over. Hillary is once again going to dominate the news cycle and the discussion by focusing the media's attention on Obama's integrity and the way he "conducts his campaign". This will be the story for the rest of the day and into the caucus tomorrow. She is making these comments IN Mississippi. Anyone who thinks Obama's obvious absence from the public spotlight is "staying above the fray" is deluding themselves. This works for her.. OH proved it.. and she's sticking with it.

[Cha]

26. Somebody needs to ask hilary :wtf:

she's doing by endorsing mccain..get the ball right back in her fucking dirty little court.

Obama and team are smart enough to outwit the monster.

[JackORoses]

29. It calls attention to Hillary's filthy tactics

Hillary would have to discuss her own actions if she tries to run with this.

We both know she hates to do that. I think this may have been a boon in disguise.

[GoldieAZ49]

67. you are right, and here is some of it

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obama_on_sama.html

[bklyncowgirl]

91. The Clintons will pound that drum until it breaks--then it's onto the next thing

People have short memories, you know, and the media will cover whatever is hot at the moment.

Barack has got to get out there and start making his points.

[stillrockin]

17. Thank you, Ms. Power.

You are a class act.

[Bake]

19. Thank you? FOR WHAT? What did it accomplish?

Oh. Let me guess ... "speaking truth to power."

It was a juvenile, stupid thing to say. You don't say things to a reporter and then say, oh by the way, that was off the record. If it's off the record, you say it up front, or else you keep your mouth shut. And it doesn't make Obama's campaign look very good, either, although the Big O contingent on DU loves it. It was completely unprofessional.

Bake

[JackORoses]

31. She has focused the MSM like a laser on Hillary despicable activities

Don't think this won't be delved into.

[Bake]

33. I'm willing to bet it won't.

That's not the story. But thanks for playing.

Bake

[GoldieAZ49]

68. oh yes, Hillary is delving into it alright check it out, and this is just the

beginning, she is going to hammer this for as long as possible

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obama_on_sama.html

[zulchzulu]

20. Hats off to Samantha Powers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZqEAfNRARE

[PleaseSayItAintSo]

21. Thanks Samantha!

[Josiah1982]

23. I'm glad you are thanking Power. I thank her too for making obama look BAD.

and for drawing negative news time to him and his campaign of lies. Power has done a discervice to her candidate. For that, i thank her too.

[ingac70]

30. Yeah. Calling Hill a monster....

Isn't going to play well in Wyoming and Mississippi. :sarcasm:

[MessiahRp]

28. The funny part was the Clinton team met and decided to put up faux outrage and call for her removal.

Clinton staffers say worse about Obama every day and they could care less. The MSNBC article had the most ridiculous comments at the end from Wolfson (who is the absolute worst smear artist on Clinton's team):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519392/

"Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson noted that those involved in the Clinton campaign had been removed when they spoke of Obama's teenage drug use or helped spread the false rumor that the Illinois senator is a Muslim.

He defended his own comparison of Obama to independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr, saying he'd been responding to "attacks" from the Obama campaign regarding Clinton's tax returns and real estate transactions. That, he said, was a clear reference to Whitewater and so it was appropriate to bring up Starr in that context."

Emphasis is mine. LOL.

So apparently Hillary Clinton is being let go from her own campaign for helping to spread the false rumor about Obama being a muslim since according to Wolfson, that person was dealt with.

I also like how the weasel defends his attacks.

Rp

[cali]

34. You are deluding yourself. Power is terrific, but she fucked up

she let frustration overcome prudence and today the Obama campaign is paying the price. This is not reflecting badly on Hill, but on Power and by association, the Obama campaign. It's certainly not a mortal blow but it wasn't a good thing.

[JackORoses]

44. What will People remember a week from now?

Not the name of Samantha Power, that's for sure.
But they will remember the calling out of Hillary for dirty tactics.
They will remember Hillary the Monster.

And Hillary will only further solidify this image with her continued actions.

From now on every move she makes will be questioned for monstrosity.
Hillary doesn't like bright lights, there are no shadows left to work in.

This was a brilliant coincidence, I don't think the Obama camp planned it.
And though it stings a little today,
in the long run, It gives the Public a strong image of Hillary that she will have trouble living down.

Now that she has been called a Monster,
she will not be able to continue acting like one without being called on it.

[11 Bravo]

51. It's difficult to ascertain whether you are simply just another ...

hopeful little wing nut (Think Hannity, only correct on at least SOME of the issues), or if you are, in fact, clinically insane.
This does NOT work against Hillary, nor does it work in Barack's favor. Any further imprecations of Hillary as "monster" will, once again, reflect poorly on the Obama campaign. And if you think that every future move on Clinton's part will be examined through some sort of "monster" prism, then the best I can think of you is that you are a pure political neophyte. Power fucked up, and Obama has tacitly acknowledged that fact by accepting her resignation. End of story, unless you and others of your ilk continue to try and spin this into a positive in whatever sweaty little fantasy world you occupy.

[JackORoses]

57. you'll see. just wait. Clinton is finished.

[GoldieAZ49]

69. WTF do you think Hillary has been called for the past 16 years

Darling?

Princess?

Miss Priss?

Hell 'monster' is a step up for what Hillary has been called!

You cannot think of a name that she hasn't been called. The negative is on Obama, this is another one, a NEW one, and H will pile it on.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obama_on_sama.html

I cannot believe how naive you can be in politics

writing prose like she is some self sacrificial lamb to the greater good of the world, good grief

[Metric System]

76. Thank you for some sanity. I can't believe people in this thread are praising her for her comment.

Praise Power for her accomplishments and intellect, but not for this.

[SeaLyons]

35. Hillary can handle it

and her supporters give no power to hate mongers.


Go Hillary!!!

[nels25]

49. But will she able to govern

if she wins by being dirty??

:shrug:

[DefoliateBush]

39. Monsters

Hitler and Stalin are examples of real-life monsters. For someone who is running on judgement rather than the value of experience, it seems that Obama is showing why he shouldn't be President by associating himself with a top foreign policy advisor who doesn't have the judgement to distinguish between Hillary and Hitler. Or a science advisor who can't answer science questions at a science debate and refers reporters to the Obama web site. Or an economic advisor who creates NAFTA-gate. The office of President is not the place for neophytes.

[Hawkeye-X]

40. self-deleted

Not worth getting nuked over.

[MrCoffee]

41. whoa, deja vu!

[ClayZ]

43. Best Sentence Award!

"Now, Hillary will have to come face to face with her Karmic imbalance on the Public Stage."


Best sentence on DU for 3 months!



K and R

[ElsewheresDaughter]

50. ahh so this is what Obama's "HOPE and CHANGE" looks like.......HATE!

[Window]

52. I think I'll send Samantha some flowers.

With a thank you note. Seriously.

[WinkyDink]

53. So Obama was "afraid " (your word) to call Hillary a "monster"? Sad, no?

[Beacool]

55. Everyone?????????

Well, there are many assholes in the world and I've seen plenty on this board. You should remember though, that this kind of disrespect does not bode well for your candidate's chances in the GE.

Keep piling it on and see how well you'll do in the GE without the Clinton supporters. Why bother being civil to us? We are 13 million and counting........

[Nine]

56. Not everyone. But if Obama was thinking it he should have had the guts to say it himself. (nt)

[cbayer]

58. Well, she has more class than many Obama supporters on this thread.

“I made inexcusable remarks that are at marked variance from my oft-stated admiration for Senator Clinton and from the spirit, tenor, and purpose of the Obama campaign,” Power said in a statement.

[mojowork_n]

61. I don't know about a "mortal blow", but there definitely is more there than meets the eye.

Samantha Power was picked on, by Wes Clark and Jamie Rubin, and it was discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4953590&mesg_id=4953590http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4953590&mesg_id=4953590

[MzShellG]

62. Sammie, you go girl. And more power to ya!

Someone had to say it. Those Clintons are rapidly becoming a monstrosity to the dem party.

[AtomicKitten]

63. It was the unvarnished truth.

[anamnua]

64. The cheerleading for Powers

among its adherents here exposes the toxic understream behind the 'Kumbaya'ish facade of Obamism. Not a bad thing perhaps.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

88. Another very revealing thread, definitely. Lots of "hope and change" here.

[Cali_Democrat]

65. Thanks Samantha

[GoldieAZ49]

66. Thank her for this: Clinton skewers Obama on Samantha Power

Q. Advisor stepped down for calling you a monster. React?

HRC: Well I think sen. Obama did the right thing, but I think it’s important to look at what she and his other advisors say behind closed doors, particularly when they’re talking to foreign governments and foreign press. It raises disturbing questions about what the real planning and policy positions inside the Obama campaign happen to be.


Even more here: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obama_on_sama.html

[Johnny__Motown]

70. I hope she does a series of interviews all over the M$M about what she said and why she said it

[apocalypsehow]

71. Excellent OP. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[milkyway]

72. Yep, and people know it was a heartfelt comment, not just a calculated attack--that's what makes it

more powerful and lasting. People won't remember Samantha Power, but they'll remember associating "monster" with Hillary Clinton.

Any Clinton supporters that think this quote is good for her are delusional. I'll be happy if it's talked about for the rest of the campaign.

[Quixote1818]

73. Samantha Power for President!!!! nt

[greyghost]

75. You people are delusional and deserve to lose. I'm going to be

laughing my ass off when you do.

[LulaMay]

78. You are not helping your candidate with those kind of remarks.

[Eurobabe]

79. Samantha is honest and a hero in my book

The Clintons are out of control. Pure and simple.

Many ordinary people are remembering with disgust the Clinton years and the ensuing scandals, distractions and whining, petty bullshit. Yeah, the economy was great, but it all mysteriously fell apart in 1999-2000, except the budget surplus. Shrub took care of that part. :shrug:

No wonder Al Gore distanced himself from them, they are political poison.

[rodeodance]

86. Ha--it was Sam...who was "out of control. ...pure and simple" as you say.

The Clintons are out of control. Pure and simple.

Many ordinary people are remembering with disgust the Clinton years and the ensuing scandals, distractions and whining, petty bullshit. Yeah, the economy was great, but it all mysteriously fell apart in 1999-2000, except the budget surplus. Shrub took care of that part. :shrug:

No wonder Al Gore distanced himself from them, they are political poison.

[rodeodance]

87. btw-- I think "ordinary people" are sick and tired of old crap. They are onto BO now.

Many ordinary people are remembering with disgust the Clinton years and the ensuing scandals, distractions and whining, petty bullshit. Yeah, the economy was great, but it all mysteriously fell apart in 1999-2000, except the budget surplus.

[WCGreen]

81. If you really think Hillary is a monster...

Then I can't even imagine what you will think once the McCain led republican slime machine starts in on Obama...

[babylonsister]

82. McCain has lots more ghosts than Obama. nt

[eridani]

83. Mortal blow? Below the belt, I'd say, and likely to cause backlash n/t

[mythyc]

85. personally I'm pretty bummed

I really like Samantha Power and am devestated that she's not on Barack's team anymore. she would have been able to make a major contribution as a member of his administration. :(

[DemGa]

89. No, they'll be reminded of the ugliness of the right-wing attacks

against Hillary and more likely come to her aid. All this did was reinforce the perception that Obama is a fraud.

[workinclasszero]

90. History will vindicate Samantha Power!

May people have paid a high price for telling the truth. Samantha, you stand in good company.:patriot:

[GeorgeGist]

93. Will the media ask ...

Obama, "Is she a monster?", and if so will he take her at her word? Just curious.

[joeybee12]

94. The problem really is that you don't realize how disgusting your words are...

...in Obama World anythign you say and do to trash Hilary is fine...but, guess what...the whole world doesn't love your Saint like you do and they don't approve...so grow up.

[dailykoff]

95. Yep she nailed it.

I don't think it was intentional either, or at least not the attribution. I've heard her interviewed on NPR and she can talk a blue streak so I'm guessing she got carried away and didn't think the little prick would print it.

[jpak]

96. I'll take her at her word. Clinton is not a Monster...as far as I know...

n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

97. Having called the opponent a monster is "a mortal blow"? Cha!

How old are you Obama supporters, really?

[Tom Joad]

98. Important Press Release regarding Samantha Power's hurtful words...

From the Monsters Against Defamation (MAD)

Like many Americans, human or not, alive or not dead, we reacted with horror (yes, we use that term too!) when we heard Ms. Powers comparing our kind to Hillary Rodham Clinton. We have had more than enough. Yes, we are monsters, but we have feelings too. Yes, we do scary things, but it is humans that do truly monstrous things. Only humans start wars, monsters do not. Hillary Clinton's firm support for a war of aggression far surpasses any nightmare we can imagine... and we specialize in creating nightmares! She and many others in Congress have crossed a line we would not dare cross when they joined with Bush... It is Hillary and McCain who scare us. So Ms. Powers, please do us a favor, and do not accuse such a human with us. It really hurts our feelings.

Signed,
Herman
Director, MAD

PS And all of you, stop this war in Iraq, it's really creeping us out!

[Honeycombe8]

99. I support Obama, but this woman did a big no-no and brought disgrace on her team.

I in no way applaud the awful and personal terminology she used against the other Democratic candidate. It reflected poorly on Obama, as well. It wasn't just the "monster." It was also the other things she said.

In politics you can think these things...but someone in that position can NEVER say them, esp. to someone in the media.

"Monster" does no harm to the Clinton camp. It's a generic ugly personal word that really doesn't point to any specific bad thing about the opponent. It's just an ugly word. So it reflects on the person who said it, not the intended target.

A pity. She was probably a good foreign policy advisor.