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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:59 PM
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Go Already! Hillary Clinton, fratricidal maniac
"Clinton's Kamikaze Mission" (Jonathan Chait, The New Republic)

Go Already!

Hillary Clinton, fratricidal maniac

by Jonathan Chait The New Republic
Thursday, March 06, 2008

The morning after Tuesday's primaries, Hillary Clinton's campaign released a memo titled "The Path to the Presidency." I eagerly dug into the paper, figuring it would explain how Clinton would obtain the Democratic nomination despite an enormous deficit in delegates. Instead, the memo offered a series of arguments as to why Clinton should run against John McCain--i.e., "Hillary is seen as the one who can get the job done"--but nothing about how she actually could. Is she planning a third-party run? Does she think Obama is going to die? The memo does not say.

The reason it doesn't say is that Clinton's path to the nomination is pretty repulsive. She isn't going to win at the polls. Barack Obama has a lead of 144 pledged delegates. That may not sound like a lot in a 4,000-delegate race, but it is. Clinton's Ohio win reduced that total by only nine. She would need 15 more Ohios to pull even with Obama. She isn't going to do much to dent, let alone eliminate, his lead.

That means, as we all have grown tired of hearing, that she would need to win with superdelegates. But, with most superdelegates already committed, Clinton would need to capture the remaining ones by a margin of better than two to one. And superdelegates are going to be extremely reluctant to overturn an elected delegate lead the size of Obama's. The only way to lessen that reluctance would be to destroy Obama's general election viability, so that superdelegates had no choice but to hand the nomination to her. Hence her flurry of attacks, her oddly qualified response as to whether Obama is a Muslim ("not as far as I know"), her repeated suggestions that John McCain is more qualified.

...Clinton's path to the nomination, then, involves the following steps: kneecap an eloquent, inspiring, reform-minded young leader who happens to be the first serious African American presidential candidate (meanwhile cementing her own reputation for Nixonian ruthlessness) and then win a contested convention by persuading party elites to override the results at the polls. The plan may also involve trying to seat the Michigan and Florida delegations, after having explicitly agreed that the results would not count toward delegate totals. Oh, and her campaign has periodically hinted that some of Obama's elected delegates might break off and support her. I don't think she'd be in a position to defeat Hitler's dog in November, let alone a popular war hero.

...more at the link


She can't win, so she has to knock Obama out so she can try again in 4 years.
An elected Obama would be a two term popular president, and Hillary would be too old to run again at that time. She would be around 70 + when he was out of office.



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:03 PM
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1. hilary's like fookin' rove
in 2000..they will secure the oval office..there will be a coup. Only this time we need to stop it.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:14 PM
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2. She'll continue the fragging until she gets her way.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:22 PM
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3. And St. Obama , who stood on the backs of others work being given credit for it by Jones in Illinois
so he could "get himself a US Senator " is pure as the driven snow.Obama who questioned signatures of his opponents, including a liberal women opponent and git them 'disqualified rather than face competition is a real hero and above reproach.His surrohgates threatening AA SD's with reprisals is "somehow" justified.This makes me sick.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:23 PM
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4. Obama hates women now...
IS HE EXPERIENCED OR IS HE A GREENHORN!? Make up your mind.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:27 PM
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7. Where do I say he "hates women? "I am saying he is a "made man'
He has used and abused people to creat a vision of something he isn't.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:25 PM
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6. sweet jesus. we're talking about hillary. start a bash obama thread
if you must. screaming about obama here lessens NOTHING about what Hillary is doing. Nothing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:36 PM
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:24 PM
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5. She should get out of the race NOW for the good of the party AND her OWN good...
but it looks like she's going to TRY to win at all costs. And in the end, when she loses, she'll deliver a loss for "her" Dem. party, too. I don't even think she's as much a Democrat as a Clintoncrat.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:29 PM
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8. This is 1000% correct. Paving the way for a 2012 run
by ruining Obama's chances-and ours--for a 2008 Democratic WIN.

This woman isn't a real Democrat. She's a DLC/Republican who will stop at nothing to satisfy her thirst for power, even when she knows she's not even remotely qualified to be there.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:47 PM
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12. Hmm. Yet you also slam Obama all over DU. Who DO you support?
Very curious to hear who your nominee is. Be honest, now!
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:00 PM
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16. what about this supposed intervention of senior dem officials?
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 04:00 PM by galaxy21
Really, if they're going to sit Hillary down and ask her to drop out, they should do it before Pennsylvania. As mentioned in the article, that's a big swing state and they don't need Hillary running down Obama...
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:32 PM
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9. K/R.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:33 PM
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10. k&r
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 02:57 PM
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13. Kick
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:35 PM
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14. Finished with Hillary. We need to move on with Obama as our nominee.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:04 PM
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17. Yeah, who needs to let those other stinking states vote? They don't count anyway!
Most would have preferred if Texas and Ohio didn't vote.Who needs democracy? I didn't like it when arrogant Hillary supporters wanted others to drop out.I think it was wrong to sacrifice edwards to this cause and it is wrong to have a coranation for Obama.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:34 PM
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20. She lost. Get over it. Let's move forward. She is the past. Obama is the future.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 05:15 PM
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21. Do you think repeating something often enough makes it true?
Obama will never be MY future. And be careful who ,and what you call the past because history repeats itself.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 07:49 PM
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22. You know... it's really not about "a coronation"
This race could have gone all the way to the convention with people loving it -- if it hadn't been turned into an effort to destroy our probable nominee.

Hillary's gone beyond the accepted Democratic norms several times now, and every day that it continues our chances or regaining the White House diminish (regardless of who, eventually, is decided to be the nominee).
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:57 PM
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15. Note a California recount gains Barack some extra dlegates making that leader wiser.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:05 PM
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18. Note they are finding evidence that the Texas caucus weren't on the up and up.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 04:08 PM by saracat
Source: Daily Texan

Volunteers who worked the Jester Center caucus on Tuesday are suspicious of at least one of the caucus lists, the precinct chairman said late Thursday night. At least three students who signed the list verified that the candidates attached to their names were not the candidates they voted for.

Government senior Ray Skidmore, precinct chair for the voting precinct that includes all UT dorms, said one of the caucus volunteers on Thursday noticed almost identical handwriting on one of the caucus sheets. Volunteers were recounting the caucus numbers Wednesday and Thursday, Skidmore said, just to double-check before turning them in today. Information from all caucuses - forms and the official delegate counts - are due to the Travis County clerk's office today by 6 p.m.

When recounting, the volunteer noticed a whole list had Sen. Hillary Clinton written in similar handwriting in the presidential preference column for each of the six voters on that list. Skidmore started calling each of the voters on the list when he reached finance senior Ronesha Holmes, who told him she did not write Clinton as her preference; Holmes said she was instructed to leave that line blank.

Even one discrepancy threw up a flag of suspicion, Skidmore said.

As he continued calling people on the list Thursday, he found that two other students, history and pre-med sophomore Abigail Cheney and government sophomore Adam Aldrete, said they did not fill in a presidential preference and that Clinton was not who they would have listed.


Read more: http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/pap
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 04:09 PM
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19. k and r
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:21 PM
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23. All right.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 08:23 PM by cornermouse
Where are the people in white coats? It's clear that they're needed here. You can't think straight enough to see how ridiculous all these wild accusations really are. And I'm getting tired of hearing it.

People. Grow up. Just. Grow. Up.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 08:24 PM
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24. guess he hasn't heard that O doesn't have and won't get the required # of delegates. nt
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:06 PM
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25. The OP is must read. Michael Moore links to the same article today.
k/r
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