Why is Hillary having such a tough time getting the nomination?

[John Q. Citizen]

I can tell you why.

If you are a Hillary lover, you won't believe me though. The truth is a whole lot of people just don't like Hillary Clinton. That includes a whole lot of Democrats.

You can cry and whine and say how unfair that is. You can deny reality. But for whatever reason, a whole lot of people don't like her.

There is volumes of data to back this up. For one thing, she has the highest negatives of anyone running. Co-incidence? I don't think so.

This is one reason that so many people have flocked to the Obama campaign. They see him as a viable alternative to someone who makes them physically ill when they see her face, or hear her voice.

And independents like her even less than the Dems who don't like her. And right wingers like her even less. So they will show up to vote for Grandpa McCain so they can vote against Hillary.

No one (or very few) kinda likes Hillary. Either you fall into the group of her fervant supporters, the Hillary lovers who see her as the natural Queen of the universe, or you fall on the other side, those that just don't like her.

So what say you Hillary supporters?

See, I told you you wouldn't believe me.

[rzemanfl]

1. She doesn't make me ill, like * does. I originally wasn't for her

based on the dynasty thing, but her conduct over the last several weeks has made me dislike her. I will vote for her if she is the candidate and there is no other choice, but without enthusiasm.

[Growler]

7. ditto

> I will vote for her if she is the candidate....

[Skidmore]

2. Those points aside, some of us see her as the

designated torch carrier for the stale politics of the Atwater-Rove era...Bush-Clinton dynastic stranglehold on the nation. This nation cannot move forward while seeking to hold on with a deathgrip to the status quo. The status quo means more of the same. I've had enough.

[death to the DLC]

4. add to that

1. she voted for the war

2. d-l-c

[underpants]

9. Nail on head

:applause:

[redqueen]

13. That's the biggest part of it... more of the same.

Most people want anything but more of the same.

[NMMatt]

32. exactly -nt

[SeaLyons]

3. You sound like a

sexist asshole. I think the question is why hasn't Obama - Mr. 12 straight wins - sewn this thing up. Because half the voters don't want him.

Go Hillary!!!!

Hillary is going to White House!!! That's right - so you better just deal with it!!


:hi:

[yourguide]

11. ROFL

lest ye forget that it's HRC that couldnt close the deal. she was ahead in media, money, name recognition, etc before Iowa.

she proclaimed that she would sew this thing up on super tuesday I think it's clear who the voters DIDNT want.

[John Q. Citizen]

12. if you believe people who don't like her are going to vote for her, that's cool. Dream on.

Apparently you believe she can win it without swing voters and a fairly large chunk of Democrats.

You Hill supporters were never very good at math anyway.

[SeaLyons]

15. Frankly, I think

my dog could beat McCain. Hillary will win the nomination and the Presidency. Don't worry.

[John Q. Citizen]

18. I told you that you wouldn't believe me. Go figure.

[Voice for Peace]

29. I think you're mistaken, even if she wins the nomination, she won't beat McCain.

She has helped in recent days to assure this.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

20. Hillary was up 20 - 30 points and dropped like a stone

The only reason why people are voting for her is because of name recognition.

[Phillycat]

5. Because there are an awful lot of sexist assholes out there?

[John Q. Citizen]

16. If by sexist assholes you mean the Dem and independent women who don't like her, then you are

getting a clue.

There are a lot of them.

If there wasn't, she would have won this a long time ago.

[Laurab]

24. Not at all.

I'm not a "sexist asshole", I'm a woman who would love to see a woman in the WH. Just not Hillary Clinton. And every single day, she gives me another reason to not want her anywhere near the WH. In fact, I don't want to vote for her as my senator again. She's average, at best, and she plays way too dirty. I truly think she is in the wrong party.

[zulchzulu]

6. Having a tough time? Like a aardvark winning the Miss America contest?

That's more like it. She can't win.

[thevoiceofreason]

8. Because so many despise her!

[ExtraGriz]

14. people despise obama too

both are each getting 50% of the popular vote...so if they despise her, they must despise him too.

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Actually no, not many people despise Obama and while I'm sure some people

may not like him, most people do.

The people I've seen who despise him are the Hill lovers, no one else.

ANd when it comes to independents, a lot really like him.

[Upton]

10. I've never like her

that "2 for the price of 1" BS used to annoy me when she was first lady. I voted for Bill, not his wife. That said, I was willing to hold my nose and vote for her if she won the nomination fairly. Obviously she can longer do that, so, if she's the nominee, she won't get my vote.

[The Stranger]

17. I liked her until very recently. We need to cut her loose and move forward with Obama.

The sooner, the better.

[rug]

19. That's been known forever. Fortunately, thanks to Bush, the Republicans are more detested.

[John Q. Citizen]

25. But I'm not talking about the 'Republicans.' I'm talking about Hillary. She herself is

widely disliked, except for those who love her. ANd those who love her love her more than they dispise the rRepublicans. This is why anyone who doesn't share the love of Hillary is attacked, despised, insulted.

People like olbermann, Kerry, Kennedy, heck Susan Power.

I haven't noticed that many people who like Clark but don't like Hill attacking him. They may question his choice, but they don't insult him. They figure, 'OK he likes her, I just don't get it.'

The Hillary lovers rush to her defense when someone comes out for her opponent and start to rip them to shreds.

[rug]

26. She's running for President, not Miss Congeniality.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. That's true. So it sounds as if we agree on the likability issue

[burythehatchet]

21. Because she sucks, bites and blows all at the same time. n/t

[JPZenger]

34. C'mon, let's list good reasons not to vote for her

There are enough valid reasons to not vote for Hillary. We don't need this rhetoric.

(I could make a joke here about her lack of blowing causing an impeachment, but I'll leave that for now.)

[Redbear]

23. The Pew Poll in February found that 80% of Dems like Hillary

and 76% like Obama

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=392

[John Q. Citizen]

27. From the PEW report you linked to done in early FEB

The Changing Democratic Contest


Barack Obama has made substantial gains among Democratic voters nationwide; on the eve of the Iowa caucuses just 26% of Democrats supported him, compared with 38% today. Meanwhile, the share backing Hillary Clinton has not changed – 46% of Democrats supported her on the eve of the Iowa caucuses, and 46% support her today.

So Hill has the backing of less than 50% of the Dems according to Pew.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.


While Obama has long been competitive with Clinton among younger Democrats, his current standing reflects substantial gains among middle-aged voters who, in the past, were clearly behind Clinton. In addition, Clinton held a 20-point lead among moderate Democrats as recently as mid-January; currently, Obama nearly equals Clinton's support among moderate Democrats (44% Clinton vs. 40% Obama). As was the case in mid-January, liberal Democrats are split evenly between the two candidates; in December, Clinton held a wide lead among liberal Democratic voters (49% to 27%). Conservatives, who make up nearly a quarter of Democratic voters, continue to favor Clinton by a wide margin (56% to 28%).

Clinton holds a five-point lead among Democrats under age 50, but she is now tied with Obama among those ages 50 to 64 (41% Obama vs. 40% Clinton). Just three weeks ago Clinton held a 13-point lead among voters in this age group. While Clinton still holds a substantial 55% to 21% lead among voters ages 65 and older, Obama has won supporters here as well, as just 15% backed him three weeks ago.

Obama's gains among middle-class Democrats is equally notable. While he has consistently challenged Clinton for the lead among Democratic voters with household incomes of $75,000 or more (he holds a modest 46% to 40% advantage over Clinton in this group today), Clinton previously held a wide lead among middle-income Democratic voters. But Obama now trails Clinton by just five points (43% to 38%) among those with annual household incomes of between $40,000 and $75,000. Clinton had a 23-point edge in this group three weeks ago. Democrats with annual household incomes of less than $40,000 continue to back Clinton by a wide margin.

[John Q. Citizen]

28. Dupe-self delete

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

30. I have never supported Hillary but I didn't start really disliking her until recently

Her true colors are showing now that she's no longer the presumed nominee. She's not doing her campaign, or her long-term prospects, any favors with her antics.

[JPZenger]

33. Obama - the more you know, the more you like

I run into many people in PA who are hesitant to support Obama because they don't know enough about him.

However, I find that the more people know about him, the more they like him.

That is why people with more education and people who use the net regularly for information are much more likely to support Obama.

Hillary is targeting the least educated voters, the oldest voters, and the people for whom English is a second language. In Texas, she received 81 percent of the vote of Latinos over age 60.

[anamandujano]

35. We might ask the same of Obama. He couldn't close the deal.