Why Obamanauts Fear the Dream Ticket:

[mculator]

...along with freepers...

1. Because as the DU polls show, many if not most Obama supporters are simply anti-Hillary. It doesn't take a genius to find out why Rethugs hate the idea... it means that both camps will vote Democratic since their candidate is on the ticket. Clinton will net more supporters for president if Obama supporters realize he could win in 2016. Obama supporters that like both candidates will be turned off by the hate messages directed toward Hillary screaming "No dream ticket, No hope there! I DONT HAVE A DREAM!" If Obama declines the idea, he will look like the bad guy, moderates will leave his camp.

2. Because they like the idea that the primaries will destroy the party. If the primaries were being held to determine who was pres and who was vice pres, you'd be hating on your own ticket.

3. Because they know damn well that Hillary will be on top. When it's one or the other, you can simply ignore the 35 year resume that dwarfs the neophytes pamphlet of accomplishments.

4. Because Obama will look stupid, having gotten more votes than Hillary so far. Hey, some of us think he already looks pretty stupid! Maybe they called Hillary inevitable, but come on Obama actually HAS a TANGIBLE advantage and STILL can't close the deal!

If she proposes the dream ticket, she can win the presidency. It is a tactical move.

[NightWatcher]

1. we dont want that slime throwing repulican-esque dirtying up Obama's ticket to the WH

she and bill can go sit in the corner and count their pardon money from Marc Rich.

[mculator]

19. Hey it would be a distraction from the Rezko trial.

[NightWatcher]

52. weakest retort ever

[mculator]

58. until a retort came along that was simply calling mine weak, replacing it.

thanks, man.

[VolcanoJen]

83. I second that.

:thumbsup:

[shadowknows69]

Oh you mean that trial that Clinton has ties to also?

[mculator]

60. She's used to being under attack.

That's why her 6 point lead over McCain means more than his unstable 12 point lead.

[blm]

2. She's pushing it because that's the ONLY WAY she's on the ticket. She lost and she knows it.

And that's all they have left.

They need Obama camp and his supporters to BUY THEIR LINE OF CRAP. It is NOT happening.

[mculator]

5. She's hinted at it twice.

ha ha ha

[blm]

28. And her TEAM has pushed it many more times. Ha ha. Stupid is as stupid does.

And they have STUPIDLY burned any bridge they needed to cross back over long ago.

[mculator]

53. I hope she offers and he says NO.

It'll do the job.

[blm]

71. Fantasy Island called and said your vacation is over - pick up your bags in the lobby.

.

[mculator]

80. The 80's called

it wants its lame sense of humor back.

[blm]

90. 80s called to warn us about 9-11. Clintons chose to deep-six BCCI report anyway.

And IranContra matters. And CIA Drugrunning. Leading directly to the return of BushInc in 2000. To 9-11. To Iraq war. To future war with Iran.

[mculator]

100. That BCCI stuff

is hilarious. i have yet to see proof

[blm]

104. You avoid the National Security Archives. You're not a serious person.

Just in case you DO decide to act as a responsible citizen who cares about stopping the fascist agenda....

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

It may take awhile. Serious business usually does.

[mculator]

111. Nice link to existing proof.

*Seriously* damaging!

[Ravy]

125. No, they just need the superdelegates to buy their line of crap.

And superdelegates are politicians who love having it both ways.

[mculator]

128. Excellent point

[tabatha]

3. Obama would have won Texas outright

if Limbaugh's goons had not voted for Clinton.

[mculator]

86. Now freepers hate rush

for making the joint ticket more likely. go figure

[tabatha]

97. Apparently some of them were mad when they crossed over

because they could not vote for the other republicans on the ticket.
They felt disenfranchised.
LOL.

[mculator]

99. Yeah

let me play them a violin concerto

[jakem]

4. she can and will not win. no ticket for her.

[mculator]

24. hopefully Obama will say she can't win.... that would be smooth

Why didn't they put up a CNN projection, Obama to win nomination yet? ? ?

[TwilightGardener]

6. I love how people who clearly dislike Obama and don't think he's qualified

are the ones who support this ticket the most. Because you KNOW she can't win on her own! Bwah!

[mculator]

10. It's a great way to expose the fact that you're anti hillary, not pro obama

[TwilightGardener]

15. I'm anti-Hillary AND pro-Obama. Funny, but true.

[mculator]

68. Funny, for sure.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. Oh I know!

He's total scum and his supporters are brainwashed idiots, but they are perfectly happy to have him on the VP spot so Her Majesty can get young voters that she doesn't have a chance in hell of getting now. Oh, and just to prove how "reasonable" they are, they throw out a platitude or two about how Obama will be a good President "someday, just not now".

Who the fuck do they think they are kidding?!?

[mculator]

67. They're NOT kidding.

He will! Obama 16!

go to cafepress.com ... they've got some great Obama '16 buttons for sale.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

85. Well aren't you special.

I'm not buying it. I mean, really, won't Chelsea be old enough to run by then? :sarcasm:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

88. Oh and, "Hey, some of us think he already looks pretty stupid!"

Apparently, he'll be "smart enough" in 2016. After Her Majesty gets her rightful coronation. :eyes:

[zulchzulu]

7. Adding a Clinton to the ticket is like adding battery acid to your coffee

[mculator]

12. Hopefully they'll make that comment publicly!

Maybe they'll call it a MONSTER ticket... bwahaha

[Skwmom]

8. Being the Clinton's VP sure worked wonders for Gore.

[mculator]

72. you don't blame nader? go vote for him then.

someone who dreams up that comment surely should support the dream ticket. gore didn't have the clintons campaign for him, a move everyone knew was stupid.

[Cant trust em]

9. Obama supporters don't like the dream ticket because there's no reason to support it now.

Obama is in the lead. Why would he bother considering being someone else's VP when he is more likely to be the President?

McAuliffe talking about the possibility of Obama being VP is only a way to make Obama look like second fiddle before the primaries are over.

[mculator]

16. Well not if Hillary supporters wont vote for Obama

and vice versa!

[Cant trust em]

23. right. but that's a long time from now.

Any talk of the dream ticket is premature. Moreover, I think that most of the talk about supporters not voting for the other candidate won't really materialize once the nomination is decided. I think that it's mostly a DU thing.

[scheming daemons]

11. She can "propose" it all she wants..... Obama will reject it...

....and his 6 million NEW voters will stay home in November.... and the 90-10 advantage that Dems had over Republicans among AAs will be gone.

She'll single-handedly re-align the party to where it was prior to the civil rights act of 1964.

The AAs in this country will move away from a Dem party that stole Obama's nomination away in a backroom deal.


There's no mathematical way Hillary can get the nomination without the SDs overturning the verdict of the pledged delegates.

That may be "in the rules"... but it will kill any chance she has of winning in November.

[mculator]

13. I'm HOPING he rejects it!

That's the POINT! Since it's labeled the Dream Ticket, it will look bad bad bad to super delegates!

[angie_love]

21. you've really exposed yourself for who you are!

First you mock Obama supporters after Obama loses OH and TX, then you "apologize" and say you only apologized to "not piss off undecideds" and now you're pissing us off again. You need to grow the fuck up.

[mculator]

37. This is an attack on Hillary haters,

Why would it piss you off. I apologized for gloating, and this is not gloating. It's a good idea for the Hillary camp. I'd hope it pisses a lot of people off when the dream ticket is proposed. Then their own negativity towards the idea can speak for itself.

[anigbrowl]

30. In other words, your advocacy of it is completely insincere

I thought as much.

[Hepburn]

126. Nightmares are dreams, too.

Sure having Hillary on the ticket is a dream...un-fucking-fortunately that dream is a nightmare.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

14. Ummmm no

- Calling Obama change you can Xerox
- Mocking Obama supporters
- Praising McCain while trying to destroy Obama
- Saying Obama is not a muslim, "as far as I know"
- Having her surrogates float the picture of Obama is muslim garb
- Saying Obama's experience is simply a speech
- using fear mongering tactics
- Trying to get FL and MI seated even though she agreed to the rules
- Asking Obama if he needs a pillow
- Having her surrogates try to make his cocaine use an issue in Iowa
- Having surrogates float bogus emails in Iowa
- Making fake news reports on the bullshit Nafta-Gate
- Ripping red-state democrats
- crying about caucuses

[mculator]

17. wait

He doesn't need a pillow? I hope he's not mad at me.

[thevoiceofreason]

18. Nope

If there is a dream ticket, Barack will be forever tarnished with the association with GodHilla.

[Skidmore]

20. There was a time when I would have welcomed the "dream ticket"

but no longer. I don't fear it beyond the fact that taking on Hillary would ensure that the Dems lose. As for tactical move, I'm not worried either. Her tactical moves have lost her more states than they have won for her.

[mculator]

31. Not really.

He was going to win anyway. Obama's SC victory got him his momentum, and I for one believe it's because Stephen Colbert wasn't on the ticket, not because Bill made any comments.

[Exilednight]

22. Why I do not want Hillary on the ticket with Obama.

1. She brings nothing to the table. The big states she has won will also go with Obama. It's ignorant to believe that Ca and NY will go repug.

2. I do not want another cheney in the White House.

3. Her rovian tactics will bring down the ticket.

4. Her style of politics of would ill serve the Democratic party in the executive branch.

[anigbrowl]

25. "If she proposes the dream ticket, she can win the presidency. It is a tactical move."

So it is all about her. Thanks for clearing that up.

[mculator]

33. Clearing it up

Oh... thanks for reading it.

[Yes We Did]

26. All I had to read was the word "freepers" and I knew this was bullshit.

[Catherina]

27. Obama/Monster 2008? Naw. No thanks

Obama will close the deal all by himself.

[mculator]

44. Maybve Obama should call her a monster...

So he'll have to resign himself! bahaha

[Catherina]

95. No need to. She's making it perfectly clear to people all by herself

I wouldn't want Obama to stoop to her gutter-rat level. He could catch something.

[mculator]

101. Couldn't hurt

unless wait... he's not lying when he says he respects senator clinton and her record...

[Catherina]

110. Who in their right mind could respect Clinton and her record?

Of course he's lying. He's being polite, just like he was when he said she was "likable enough". She's not likable. Get over it. Some of us have a problem with liars and Bush enablers.

[mculator]

112. Ha

1. Of course he's lying.

2. Some of us have a problem with liars and enablers.

Confused?

[polichick]

29. There's nothing "dreamy" about that ticket. nt

[ContinentalOp]

Are you kidding?

It's the dream of every Republican in the nation!

[mculator]

70. get on freeperville

they're all pissed that rush and the texas win made the joint ticket more likely. they're scared shitless.

[Somawas]

32. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be good for her, bad for him.

An Obama/Clinton ticket would be bad for both. She needs Obama. Obama does not need Hillary. In fact, an Obama/clinton ticket isn't a dream; it's a nightmare.

[mculator]

40. Well both on a ticket would win in any case, like it or not.

[Somawas]

122. I disagree.

I think that Hillary loses to McCain. Obama beats McCain.

[mculator]

124. lol

[democrattotheend]

89. I agree

If Clinton can manage to strongarm her way to the nomination despite losing in pledged delegates, she will need Obama on the ticket to appease his supporters. I am not completely opposed to the idea, but in that scenario, he better make her beg, and make her promise not to run again in 4 years if they lose.

[Why Syzygy]

34. 35 year resume' of baking cookies and changing hairstyles.

Remember when that's what she was known for as First Lady?

[mculator]

41. Oh, not going to China in the face of Republican hatred for doing so...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

35. The slimy Clintons would pull a bait-and-switch

They'd get votes from people on the fence by dangling the joint ticket and then once she gets the nom, it will be "too risky" to have a black man on the ticket with her so the spot will go to one of her buds like Evan Bayh.

[SoonerPride]

36. Obama/Clinton is a dream ticket.

She should concede and bargain for the Veep slot.

She can't win, but can use her delegate block to secure a second place spot.

She doesn't have it to win the first slot.

[mculator]

39. I think the winner of the most delegates should be pres and 2nd should be VP.

That would send a clear message to republicans: Yes, the fight continues, and No, it doesn't benefit McCain. Either way, a Dream ticket is bad news for the right.

[Jersey Devil]

57. Not after the shit she's pulled the past two weeks

Up until that point, yes, I would have agreed with you. It would have made a great ticket.

But now? I wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher let alone have that lying, conniving, manipulative weasel as my vice president.

[mculator]

64. And I want your point of view to be heard in public, not on DU.

Get on TV and say that, pretty pretty please. We need more monster talk.

[Jersey Devil]

75. I am so impressed with your cleverness

As eager to try to manipulate as your queen.

I was serious. I would have voted for Hillary even for President until about 2 weeks ago. I am not an "Obamabot". My candidate was John Edwards and I considered both Obama and Clinton to be too corporate for me. I chose Obama as the lesser of the two evils when Edwards dropped out and have since gotten to like him a whole lot more than I thought I would. It was close though, and I could have voted for either Obama or Hillary for President. In fact, on Super Tuesday I didn't make up my mind until I got into the voting booth.

But Hillary changed all of that in the past 2 weeks. It isn't me. I am not a Hillary hater. I just hate what she is doing to our party.

[mculator]

78. I liked Edwards too.

but for universal health care ideas.

[polichick]

42. That would sink him...

There are too many people (including Dems) who won't vote for her.

[mculator]

43. Doubt it.

[polichick]

47. I can't count the number of Obama supporters I've spoken with lately...

...while campaigning here in PA who absolutely will not vote for her. It's a little shocking, but true.

[SoonerPride]

49. If she's at the top.

They'll vote for him even if she's on board.

[polichick]

65. He won't agree to be on a ticket with her...

Two completely different kinds of politics.

[mculator]

50. Good, let's expose that! A camp full of Hillary haters! I've been saying it all along.

[polichick]

59. Good try, but many Obama supporters are switching parties...

...to vote for him because he's different, NOT because they want to support ANY Dem.

[mculator]

76. oh yeah

repub votes for hillary, bad
repub votes for obama, good

idiotic.

[cascadiance]

45. I don't think Obama fears either Edwards or Feingold...

Why would he favor "the dream ticket" then? Woops, Hillary's confused that she's a part of it! I think she's confusing her dreams with America's dreams.

[melody]

46. I really think we ought to restrict people with less than 1000 posts to one GD:P post a day

This is becoming ludicrous.

[mculator]

48. why not 2000

[melody]

56. That'd be fine, too. I'm way beyond that. :) I've been here a long time -- and I pay - wink, wink

n/t

[mculator]

73. let's go higher than your posts and only people who donate more than you.

[melody]

98. I only have one ID, ducks - that's the difference. You have four.

Minimum. That's the problem. You're a sockpuppet.

[mculator]

102. ?

the name's tim. stick to what you do well. who is ducks so i can can give him my thumbs up

[melody]

105. No, it's not, "Tim" :)

Look, I have a background in semantics. I can spot a sockpuppet a mile away, but since you're
just engaged in some silly banter, I'm going to put you on my ignore list. I'm sure I have one
of your other personae on ignore, too.

[mculator]

108. Wrong

but go ahead. I'm a dayton, OH born white/native american male of 28 years. I joined in mid February to support my candidate in an obviously one sided DU debate. Ignore away, it's a reflection of the fact that you'd like to believe there is only 1 Hillary supporter on DU.

[JackORoses]

51. Why is it that only Hillarites want this Sham Ticket? Because they know their candidate has lost.

Her only way to the White House is to bully her way onto Obama's ticket.

No dice, Hillary!

[theredpen]

63. I know! "If you can beat 'em, offer them a VP spot on your ticket."

:rofl:

[JackORoses]

92. and have Roseanne Barr come out as your spokesperson

[mculator]

103. maybe she should fight oprah

winner nets super delegates for their candidate

[ShadowLiberal]

54. Wrong, there's plenty of better VP picks for Obama then HRC, HRC as his VP would sink him

The fact of the matter is HRC anywhere on the top of a ticket will sink a lot of Obama's cross over appeal. Obama needs someone who just about everyone will agree is strong on terrorism and experienced in fighting it or wars in order to counter the inexperienced label. Hillary Clinton cannot fix those weaknesses Obama has by being his VP, and she would bring Obama even more weaknesses in the process.

Obama as a VP would likely kill some of his independent support because of simply being associated so closely to Hillary, but he offers the ability to do things like raise a ton of cash even better then Hillary can, so Obama as a vice president pick for Hillary somewhat makes sense.

[NDambi]

55. Lump me wholeheartedly as anti-Hillary..and proud of it..

[WVRevy]

61. 35 year history?

She's running on what she did working for the board of a company with one of the worst workers rights records in the nation?

Impressive.

I hear she serves a mean tea, too.

Hey...do you think she'll get Sinbad or Cheryl Crow to run with her, since they have the same "experience" with Kosovo that she does?

[leftynyc]

62. Why do you have to resort

to childish namecalling? Is that really the way to bring people together?

[Vilis Veritas]

66. mmm...see...you...l8r...

Impressive work.

To bad Hillary is done.

[mculator]

69. Impressive work yourself.

She proposes, he says no, supers say yes, she wins the nom.

Watch and learn.

it's "to" funny... (waiting for your typo edit to show up)

[Vilis Veritas]

93. mmm...see...you...l8r...

Why edit? Why take that away from you? Relish my illiteracy. Enjoy it. I am hear for you. <-- ;-)

I can't be learned. I thunk all I could and that was the best I could DU.

[donheld]

74. Where is your profile?

People should refuse to respond to fools with no profile.

[mculator]

77. How ironic your RESPONSE is!

Retard.

[donheld]

107. From the likes of you that's a compliment

[mculator]

109. More irony.

#2 post in the "we shouldn't respond" sub thread

[democrattotheend]

79. Didn't you apologize for insulting Obama supporters the other day?

I kind of expected a change in tone after that.

[mculator]

81. I was insulting hillary haters today.

Ed: I got no beef with Obama supporters. I'm down with Obama/Clinton

[bicentennial_baby]

82. I didn't!

I knew that was a fake-ass apology if I ever saw one.

[mculator]

84. Read the above.

[VolcanoJen]

87. Me, either.

:-)

[mculator]

113. I apologized for the anti whine thread

[susankh4]

91. When Hillary gets the nmination, Barack can turn her down...

fine by me.

Her second choice is better anyway.

But, he'll sign on if he is as politically expedient as he pretends to be.

[mculator]

123. :)

[IntravenousDemilo]

94. Clinton is not a team player. If she wants the #2 spot on the ticket...

...she'll have to learn to bend her will to that of Obama, and I suspect she'd rather eat broken glass.

Unless you're suggesting that she should be #1 on the ticket -- which by now is a patently ridiculous notion.

[mculator]

106. i'll take either ticket

just to stick it to hillary haters

[DemGa]

96. Wow, you are RIGHT ON! The way left liberals would love to destroy the Dem Party

Think: Ted Kennedy -- 1980. Teddy gave us Reagan and the "Reagan Democrats."

[Warren DeMontague]

114. Sure, she's losing, so obviously she should be the one to get the nomination.

I mean, let's cut to the chase, here- the truth to the die-hard Clinton crowd is, no one should have even RUN against Hillary. She had the nomination before anyone cast a single vote, right? We were all supposed to jump on board that inevitability train the second Terry McAuliffe said the word boo. It's HERS, DAMMIT! It's HER TURN!

She's... entitled entitled entitled! :cry:

She's losing. She's behind. If there's going to be a "dream ticket", it should be Obama/Clinton.

[mculator]

116. im fine with obama/clinton

are YOU?

[Warren DeMontague]

120. Yes. Actually, I think it having them both on the ticket makes sense no matter who get the top slot.

If you're looking for some caricature of a "Clinton-hating Obamite", look elsewhere. I wanted Al Gore to run. Then I supported Chris Dodd. I like Hillary Clinton, but I think Obama has the potential to be a truly transformative political figure and HRC only promises more of the same. I liked Hillary a lot more in 1992, it's true- I think since she's come to the Senate her pandering has been particularly egregious, and her unwillingness to cop to the IWR vote being a mistake is a major stumbling point for me (and many).

But I would be perfectly fine with an Obama/Clinton ticket. And if she's the nominee, I'll vote for her.

[mculator]

127. Al Gore would have saved us.

Kucinich, however, never stood a chance.

[Warren DeMontague]

136. I didn't say anything about Kooch. I supported Dodd for a while, even though I knew

he would never get traction.

He did the right thing on telecom immunity, he's made some other brave statements I respect, and I think in particular his recent actions and words in the senate prove he's a great American.

[superkia]

115. I am amazed that with her name recognition, her husband and...

all of her experience, that she hasn't been able to get the American peoples votes to win and have this over? I mean Obama was unheard of before and somehow people are staying away from her? Is there something about her that people know and don't want anything to do with or what?

[mculator]

119. He has a TANGIBLE advantage

and close the deal. you need substance to win, it seems.

[superkia]

121. Its just strange, bush had no substance and can barely read...

a speech and somehow he was elected twice.

[mculator]

129. He went to an Ivy League school too!

Just like BO

[OzarkDem]

117. Makes sense

and from what I hear from the average voter, its what they think should happen.

[mculator]

118. Many Obama supporters just want him to be on the ticket.

[Frumious B]

130. I have a simple question.

If Hillary Clinton thinks that Barack Obama is so woefully unqualified to be Commander in Chief then why on Earth would she take the dangerous, dangerous risk to American security of making him her Veep? Can we really afford to have him just a heartbeat away from having to answer the phone at 3AM? The terrorists will win.

[mculator]

131. ^^ lol @ terrorists win.

A co ticket solves the delegate issues

[Larry in KC]

132. Don't let your opponent frame the debate: IT'S NO DREAM TICKET!

It emphasizes their problems in the general election rather than adding strength to strength. Let Obama choose a seasoned foreign-policy expert to give us the strongest ticket posible, not the most unelectable.

Obama-(the right choice) can win in November.

Obama-Clinton (and certainly Clinton-Obama) will doom us to four more Republican years.

[workinclasszero]

133. "Because they know damn well that Hillary will be on top." HAHA! Total BS!

The person with the most delegates gets the top on the ticket. And that is Obama.

Damn you Hillbots really hate democracy, don't you?

[mculator]

135. I'd go for Obama/Clinton

Would you?

[Orsino]

134. "Simply anti-Hillary"

Like DUers are just a bunch of *-haters, right? :eyes:

This crap is not going to win her a post as Obama's VP.