Is Clinton the only Unity candidate?

[Ian_walker]

So far only one candidate has said the Dream Ticket is on the cards.

Clinton has twice said she is considering it and recognises that the voters want it.

UNITY is about both candidates and their supporters, uniting behind both candidates and the Democratic Party to pursue a strategic victory of 16 years in power; in the Presidency, Senate and Congress.

Below I have rewritten the quick draw competition version of the Chris Weigant speech (follow this link for the original version of the speech)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/how-obama-could-wrap-it-u_b_85595.html

I call it the quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes this speech wins the the unity and undecided voters of the Democratic party and with this middle ground the Democratic nomination for President. They also win the Super Delegates because they are the long term members of the Democratic Party and will vote for the Unity Candidate.

THE TACTICAL WINNING SPEECH

"I would like to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between myself and Senator (Obama/Clinton). The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but I don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but I'm proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So I would like to take this opportunity to offer Senator (Obama/Clinton). the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should I be nominated for President. Should they be nominated, and should they offer the same to me, I am publicly saying I would accept that as well. I think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. I challenge my opponent to do the same."
Cue Instant pandemonium! Among loud cheers and a few groans from supporters of the candidate that did not make the speech.

This version of the speech leaves the contest open but runs it without internecine war and unites the whole Democratic Party. I wonder if Pelossi, Howard Dean, Chris Redfern, George Stephanopoulos and the growing number of other Democrats are mediating how the deal can be done? A joint non aggression pact of not putting out tactical version of the Chris Weigant speech instead to put out this strategic version of the speech.

THE STRATEGIC WINNING SPEECH
"We would like instead to address the people in the Democratic Party for a moment.

Our party is now pretty equally divided between ourselves. The race is about tied. We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008. We both have our relative strengths, and much of the electorate is genuinely conflicted over who to select in the voting booth. Some say this is fracturing our party, but we don't believe that is true. The Republican Party is divided because of antipathy among their different factions -- but we are proud to say that our party is conflicted over who is the best between two very good choices.

So we would like to take this opportunity to offer each other the Vice Presidential spot on the Democratic ticket, should we be nominated by the party for President. Should the other be nominated, we are publicly saying we would accept that as well. We think both of us should get behind the idea of a 'dream ticket' right here on this stage. We challenge our party to do the same."
Cue very long standing ovation

The choice is there for the candidates to take.

That it will be a Democrat who is next President of the USA there is no doubt.

But it has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first:

DREAM TICKET

And Clinton is going for the gun...

Because the polarize-able supporters are decided and wedded to their camp. Obama-ite or Clinton-ite. Those will stay with their candidate. The people the contest is now being fought over are the vast majority of unity Democrats. They sway one then they sway the other. What sways them most is punishing those who attack Democrats. Voters showed in New Hampshire and Michigan what can happen to a candidate or camp who is not out to unite. Democratic Party voters also punished Obama in Texas and Ohio for assuming he was more important than the party. Democratic Party voters want UNITY.

Howard Dean has said he does not want to be at the Democratic convention mediating the candidate. The Super Delegates will ignore all the fake democrats the GOP sent to game the Democratic Party nomination in Red States and they will vote their conscience and vote for the Democratic Party Unity Candidate whom so ever that may be.

The first Candidate to say they will take Democratic party down the unity road to the DREAM TICKET will win all those voters in the middle and the Super Delegates too because what the Democratic Party wants is UNITY.

Because; what true Democratic Party supporter, would be satisfied with just Four or Eight years of Democrat Rule?

That is the reason NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half fat liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

Because that would not be just a tactical victory of a four to eight year presidency. That would be the STRATEGIC victory of a Democratic Age. That is why "Obama-Clinton or a Clinton-Obama ticket." is the Ticket that gives the NeoConMen nightmares. And the first Candidate to articulate that they will move the Democratic party to the DREAM TICKET will win that candidacy.

No If Buts or Maybes THE CANDIDATE WHO SAYS IT WILL BE the Democrat Candidate and the next President of th United States of America.

[Taverner]

1. Any way that ticket is served, I'm up for it

[Ian_walker]

6. Glad to hear it!

The More Democratic Party supporters who argue for unity the better :)

[Taverner]

16. Its the way we win

Divided we fall and what not

[lapfog_1]

22. Why should Obama pick her to be VP?

What does she offer him, what are her qualifications?

It would make much more sense, given that he is light in the military and foreign policy realm (as is Hillary) to pick someone with what the repukes call "gravitas"... someone like a Biden or a Clark.

My favorite would be Senator Boxer. Or Feingold.

[Taverner]

All I can say is 2:1 turnout

2:1 turnout, we have to keep that momentum

[lapfog_1]

32. Seriously, does ANYONE other than kool-aid drinkers

think that turnout IN THE PRIMARIES equates to turn out margins in November?

The repukes (a lot of them) didn't vote in the primaries. Mostly because no candidate on their side captured them (the field was incredibly weak... Rudy, Huckabee, Mittens, McCain, Grandpa...), but come November, especially if there is a Clinton anywhere on the ticket, they WILL be voting. And McCain will appeal to the 3am phone call crowd (just as Hillary has been trying to do). It will be another close election... and with repukes, you simply can't have a close election or they will steal it.

[Taverner]

33. If we keep up the momentum yes

Right now infighting between both camps is killing that momentum. Cheap shots by either candidate will kill our chances, and YOU AND I KNOW IT.

We have to beat the GOP by a landslide this time, because we know they will cheat. If we are not united, say hello to President McCain. And if Clinton and Obama don't patch up their differences, that will be the reason we lost the election we shouldn't have.

[Ian_walker]

157. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

Like I say UNITY is a Landslide

[yourguide]

175. Boxer = HRC superdelegate.

[Ian_walker]

183. Super Delegates prevent fake democrats screwing the nomination

Super Delegates will vote their consciense. Super Delegates will take careful notice of the NeoConmen's gaming Democratic Party Primaries. Super Delegates will vote for the candidate with the best Democratic Party policies and credentials. If a candidate cannot sway the Super Delegates it will be because they have not done enough for Democratic Party UNITY. Super Delegates will punnish any candidate who tries to blackmail them. Super Delegates will punnish any candidate who acts against Democratic party UNITY. Super Delegates are there in the best long term interests of the Democratic Party. Super Delegates will vote in the long term strategic interests of the Democratic Party.

If that upsets you I wonder why?

[Ian_walker]

194. UNITY is a strategy. All else is mere tactics.

Which is far more important than any candidates, or their fair weather supporters egos.

Boxer and Feingold are also rans.
Talking bout minor VP tactics is pointless when compared to a proper strategy

UNITY is what gives the NeoConMen Nightmares

UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is 16 years.
UNITY is a strategic momentum.
UNITY is Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is Democratic Party Senate
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen.

Now that is a Strategy

[Ian_walker]

135. 69% of Democratic voters now support the Dream ticket News Week Poll

69% of Democratic voters now support the Dream ticket News Week Poll
http://www.newsweek.com/id/119953

As I said who ever makes the UNITY speech wins the Democratic Party Nomination For President

[yourguide]

173. god havent you used your three posts today?

[Ian_walker]

182. Why does Democratic party UNITY frighten you so much?

I have to question it. Because you seem so set on censoring the UNITY message.

[yourguide]

176. YOU LIVE IN THE UK!!!!

stop it! We're the ones stuck with her if she's on the ticket, not you!

[Ian_walker]

181. The world has been stuck with Bush for a decade and NeoConMen for Two Decades

One argues from where one is in the world. My company is paid in dollars. The money I just got paid is worth half what it was a year ago. Americas name is dragged through the mud across the world stage; how embarrassing do you think that is? The price of Oil has quadrupled. US Tax debt is creating a world recession. hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, Al Qaeda stronger than ever. American soldiers and their allies die every month in Iraq and Afghanistan. I work in the defense sector, one of the US Marines who worked with us for years, a bright young man with a solid future in the military simulation industry died in Iraq only weeks before he was due to return. He was working making the sim we build in his spare time when he was not on patrol.

Do you want to censor voices, because they call from across an ocean? If you want to do that, please make your intention clear.

[ingac70]

2. Hillary only wants the unity ticket...

if she's on the top. Otherwise, she'll take the party down with her. That's her idea of "unity".

[Ian_walker]

7. Either candidate can make the speech

Either candidate can make the speech. Obama needs to start talking UNITY.

[alteredstate]

149. I agree.

[Ian_walker]

186. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

If you are against Democratic Party Unity then one must question whether you are for the Democratic party at all. I think Obama would consider your lack of support for Democratic party UNITY as against the interests of the Democratic Party.

[niceypoo]

174. And your Idea of Unity is?

Ranting and raging about democrats?

[Ian_walker]

187. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party

UNITY is a positive message that counters the NeoConMen's message of Hate.

[Ian_walker]

188. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party

UNITY is a positive message that counters the NeoConMen's message of Hate.

[islandmkl]

3. oh...i thought you meant....

McCain/McClinton!!

[Ian_walker]

13. Let me guess you are a Republican

Well I guess the Dead-ender NeoConMen dream that McCain can form some kind of alliance with anyone.

But if you are for McCain why not give up on that half-fat-liberal and come and vote the FULL CREAM join the Democratic Party and vote for the Dream Ticket.

[islandmkl]

30. btw: your guesses are about as well-thought-out as your OP..

[scheming daemons]

4. She's only for the unity ticket if SHE is on top.... that's not a "unity" position....

...

[thoughtcrime1984]

12. Exactly, she is proposing it because it is clear

that she cannot win, except by extraordinary means. She is behind in delegates, and will be behind in delegates, barring major SD shifts, at the end of the primaries. She wants to be on top, which is extremely odd for the person who is losing to demand. If Obama wants her to be his VP, I will grit my teeth and trust his judgment, but I believe that she would drag him down. He is running on change in Washington, and she is all for the status quo, which would make a contradictory ticket. I know Repubs came out in force for her on Tuesday, but they will come out in force to crush any ticket with her name on it.

[Ian_walker]

190. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party. Me I want Both candidates

I want UNITY.
I want the NeoConMen to have a living Nightmare
I want 16 years
I want a Democratic party landslide
I want Strategic Momentum
I want a Democratic Party House of Representatives landslide
I want a Democratic Party Senate landslide
I want the NeoConMen buried
I want UNITY
I want the DREAM TICKET

I want the strategic victory

[cbayer]

118. That's a presumption on your part.

She really has said no such thing.

She has said that if their were a unity ticket the question would be "who will be in which position?".

[Ian_walker]

156. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

And by doing it they lock themselves in to Democratic Party loyalty

[Ian_walker]

138. If Obama is willing to make the UNITY speech he can trump her

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun...

It is simple really either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech

[polichick]

5. Clinton a UNITY candidate???

:rofl:

[Ian_walker]

163. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

It is simple they just have to start talking UNITY

Which both camps are now doing Obama's camp is saying they are considering the offer of VP to Clinton, Clinton has said the same and then they just have to make one of the UNITY speeches in the top of this thread.

Looking at the way people are talking about it is going to be speech 2 the Strategic UNITY speech. :)

[Fox Mulder]

169. Yeah, I was laughing at that one also.

:rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

8. Obama doesn't need to be her token hip black friend, sorry.

[papau]

18. token hip black friend" - yep - Obama's playing the race card was brilliant

[TwilightGardener]

20. Wasn't that one of Hillary's surrogates who said that?

[Ian_walker]

164. Both candidates campaigns now talking UNITY!

What a lovely day.

[Ian_walker]

197. The Dream Ticket solves the problem

And it is a real winning strategy.

[Ian_walker]

19. So you are saying Obama is not for Unity?

So you are saying Obama is not for Unity? If you are it is something I disagree with. I think Obama is capable of being the Unity candidate. But he needs to get off the potty and say so. He just has to say two words DREAM TICKET.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Not with her. Unless he wants to unite with the very malfeasance he decries.

[Ian_walker]

34. Obama Disagrees with you. Do you Disagree with him?

Obama Disagrees with you.
"I was friends with Hillary Clinton before we started this campaign. I will be friends with Hillary Clinton after this campaign is over," Obama at the Kodak theatre California Debate.
Do you Disagree with him?

Either candidate or even both can make the unity speech. It is up to them to do so.

[JackORoses]

9. She is the only candidate who can't win. of course she wants on the ticket.

[Ian_walker]

42. The polls disagree with you.

The latest Washington Post-ABC News Poll shows Clinton beating McCain by Six points
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/pos...

Of course the Dream Ticket means a landlslide.

[JackORoses]

48. the polls have nothing to do with selecting the Nominee

[greguganus]

104. Funny how the Hillary supporters are for a unity ticket since she's losing.

If she was winning they would all be saying "Fuck You Obama!"

[Ian_walker]

131. I support BOTH candidates. I support UNITY. I support SIXTEEN YEARS

I want UNITY
I want both candidates to win.
I want 16 years of Democratic Party power.

The UNITY candidate is the one who will win.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

Either or Both candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[Ian_walker]

155. Now is the time for UNITY

UNITY is the Strategy.

Anyone not on-board the UNITY bulldozer better get out of the way

[Bigleaf]

10. She can unite about as well as Bush at this point. Never happen.

[Ian_walker]

44. Any True Democratic Party supporter will get behind the Democratic Party candidate

Obama has said he will. That is because he is a true Democratic Party supporter. Are you?

[Bigleaf]

52. If that is the criteria, apparently not. Why?

[Ian_walker]

100. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

Dream Ticket is UNITY

UNITY is what wins.
UNITY is a landslide.
UNITY is 16 years!

It is quick draw competition and Clinton is reaching for the gun.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[backwoodsbob]

109. would the hillary...err UNITY lover please stop

saying...#It is quick draw competition and Clinton is reaching for the gun.#


That may be the most simpleminded stupid ..dumnassed phrase in the whole campaign

[Ian_walker]

115. Simple answer a very defiant NO!

I want the Dream Ticket
Since I have a voice here I will use it as I see fit.

I will use the words that I think will work.

I stated it in the very first post in this thread and it bears repeating.

It is quick draw competition and Clinton is reaching for the gun.

The candidate who makes the UNITY speech will win the nomination.

Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[Vinca]

11. I don't want her to drag down Obama's ticket. nt

[Ian_walker]

103. Dream Ticket is a Landslide. Dream Ticket Gives NeoConMen Nightmares

And giving NeoConmen Nightmares gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. O8) :bounce: :)

It is quick draw competition and Clinton is reaching for the gun.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[OzarkDem]

14. Yes, she is; Obama is the "divide and conquer" candidate

He's been running his campaign on dividing the base from the very first day.

Perhaps he could start his own party, like Ross Perot. That would suit him very well.

[scheming daemons]

24. Cartoon says it all about the reality of the situation...

Hillary is an "anchor" on Obama's campaign.... she's desperate to hold on.... and she has the gall to make the offer to the guy who is WINNING.


It won't fly...

[Ian_walker]

49. You cannot be a Unity Candidate Supporter and say that.

Clinton Does not agree with you!
"I am honored to be here with Barack Obama, I am absolutely honored," Austin Texas
I hope you do not disagree with her

[OzarkDem]

74. Welcome to DU

[lapfog_1]

15. She is pandering for african american votes

There is no way she can pick him to be her VP.

Having already stated that he isn't ready to be President, and giving repukes so much ammunition about that subject, she cannot turn around and tell everyone that Obama would be a good VP.

The single qualification for the VP is that they be ready to become President, ready on day 1 as she puts it.

And the most important judgment call for the nominee is to pick a qualified VP.

There won't be any way to look at an Obama pick from Hillary without seeing the hypocrisy.

And the repukes will call her on it. She knows this, so any pushing of that meme is simply pandering to the African American voters in Mississippi.

As for her being the VP to Obama... what does she bring to the table?

And why would she be asking the voters of Mississippi to vote for HER if they wanted this "dream" ticket.

The Dream Ticket... because if you think it's going to happen, your dreaming.

[Ian_walker]

28. So are you saying Obama is against unity?

So are you saying Obama is against unity? I disagree with this as I think Obama is as capable as Clinton of saying two little words DREAM TICKET.

Any time the candidate wants to they can make the unity speech.

That is what the Democratic Party wants

[lapfog_1]

56. No, I'm saying that Hillary is pandering

meaning she has NO intention of having a dream ticket. None.

She is not running her campaign as if she wants to be chosen to be the VP to Obama...

and he isn't going to accept, nor can she really offer, a VP spot to him.

She can't offer it to him NOW, because she has stated that he is not qualified to BE President... which, really is the only qualification to be Vice-President. Even if she wins the nomination and WANTED Obama as the VP, she has made him damaged goods for her... the repukes would be relentless in playing the video of her picking McCain over Obama for President. And suggesting that SHE isn't as qualified as well.

[Ian_walker]

196. Is Clinton the only candidate talking Democratic party UNITY

Dream Ticket is UNITY

UNITY is what wins.
UNITY is a landslide.
UNITY is 16 years!

It is quick draw competition and Clinton is reaching for the gun.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[JTFrog]

17. Only in Hillaryland where down is up and wrong is right and McCain is by her side. n/t

[Ian_walker]

23. Another Republican I think

Another Republican I think. Why else are you calling for the Half-fat-liberal McCain to be on the ticket?

[JTFrog]

35. McHillary is the one endorsing her good friend McInsane. Take your republican pointer

and aim it at the DINO who seems to be coming full circle back to her republican roots. And step back and check yourself before pointing that thing at me again.

[IDemo]

25. Disagree strongly

To claim Clinton possesses some magical insight, that she "recognizes that the voters want it", is presumptuous. This is just another chess move by her to gain votes or put herself at the head of the Veep line when (not if) Obama wins the nomination.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4951568&mesg_id=4951568

[Ian_walker]

31. So are you saying Obama disagrees with unity?

So are you saying Obama disagrees with unity? Then I disagree, Obama can make the unity speech any time he wants too.

As I said at the start it is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

[IDemo]

37. You're pretending to have framed the debate for Obama

Believe it or not, the new-found "Unity" concept doesn't necessarily reflect the reality on the ground in this campaign. As I said in my above linked thread, the factors that must be taken into consideration in selecting a VP running mate go beyond salving the wounded ego of the runner up. Unity may sound good to those who simply want the infighting to end and the GE campaign to begin, but it utterly ignores what is important in making a VP choice. Hillary hasn't the 3:00am Commander in Chief experience she would like you to believe, and that is just one of many factors that will need to be considered in making the best choice.

[Ian_walker]

39. UNITY is what wins.

UNITY is what wins. Obama can get off the potty and say two simple words DREAM TICKET.

It is a Quick Draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

Either or both candidates can make UNITY speech.

[IDemo]

40. You have a simplistic idea of what wins

Endlessly repeating "UNITY" and "DREAM TICKET" does not constitute valid reasoning. What sounds good in the middle of a dream doesn't necessarily translate well in the real world.

[Ian_walker]

54. BECAUSE SIMPLE WORKS STUPID!

Here wear a dunce cap and sit in the corner.

Like:
It is the economy Stupid!

But If you want fully reasoned argument go to the first post in the thread and reply and start arguing.

I already made my argument where is yours?

[thevoiceofreason]

26. Hahahahahahahahahahah

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The only thing she has in common with Unity is the "y" at the end of the word.

[Ian_walker]

158. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party

It drags you behind it same as any real Democratic Party supporter

[HooptieWagon]

27. Clinton + "Unity Candidate" = oxymoran n/t

[Ian_walker]

91. And Nancy Pelosi tells you ST*U. It is time for UNITY.

Pelosi asks Clinton, Obama to quit bickering
Zachary Coile, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Friday, March 7, 2008

(03-07) 13:10 PST WASHINGTON --

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged both leading Democratic presidential candidates to cease their bickering, warning that the escalating rhetoric could hurt the party's chances in November.

"I would encourage both of them, as I have, to remember we have to keep our eyes on the prize, which is the general election in November," Pelosi said Friday at a luncheon in New York sponsored by Lifetime Networks and the Hearst Corp., parent company of The Chronicle.

"We are all very passionate about our politics and the issues we believe in, but we have to be very dispassionate about how we approach winning. We have to lift the debate to a place that does not turn off the American people."

snip...
"My responsibility as speaker is to make sure that I have a Democratic majority in the Congress of the United States," she said. "So while I want these candidates to operate on a proper tone so one of them will be in the White House, I have to insist upon it because I can't have their - if you want to call it bickering - have an impact on my congressional races."

more...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/07/BADGVG0PL.DTL&tsp=1

Thanks to Kaddie for that

Now is the time for UNITY and the candidate that goes for that is the one who will win over the Supper Delegates who will be voting their consience. The Super Delegates are their to prevent people like the NeoConMen gamming the Democratic Party election as we are all aware has been happening.

Either or both Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[HooptieWagon]

110. saying STFU sure won't persuede unity

Normally, a newbie gets a welcome, however, in your case I'll just say "STFU" and go away.

[Ian_walker]

114. Banging Heads together is a tried and tested method of creating UNITY

It has even been known to work on people who misspell the word "Oxymoron" as

oxymoran

by the way when you look it up in the dictionary I suggest you find out what it means before you next use it. ;-)

[corkhead]

117. Dude, a word of advice: you need to search for "moran" in DU dictionary

[Ian_walker]

119. I already pointed it out to HooptieWagon

Just goes to prove education has got worse under Bush Junior.

[HooptieWagon]

120. "moran" is the accepted spelling on DU - and it's been suggested you educate yourself

[Ian_walker]

126. You almost had me believe you there HeHeHe!

Checked it in the DU dictionary with the button at the bottom, HooptieWagon your "Oxymoran" comes up with big red HeeHaw

You must be using the George Bush Junior Dictionary there.

As george Bush junior would say "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

[corkhead]

137. I tried my best Hooptie, but it is apparently a lost cause. I think we are dealing with a

moran

[corkhead]

124. I don't think you get it.

look here :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x190#m

[Ian_walker]

129. Oxymoran is not yet in the DU glossary but I am sure the Freepers will get it there.

Gorge Bush Junior still has a few month.

[islandmkl]

29. I would offer this:

YOUR vision of a 'DREAM TICKET' apparently conflicts with McClinton's...

how can you argue that destroying what you premise as '1/2 of the dream ticket' provides any strength, let alone electability, to that ticket...

[Ian_walker]

38. Why are you such a McCain supporter?

YOUR vision of a 'DREAM TICKET' apparently conflicts with McClinton's...

how can you argue that destroying what you premise as '1/2 of the dream ticket' provides any strength, let alone electability, to that ticket...

If you a former Republican hungry for change why bother with the Half-fat-liberal McCain why not vote the FULL CREAM Democratic party Dream Ticket.

Either or even both Democratic Party candidates can make the UNITY speech and call for the DREAM TICKET.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is already going for the Gun!

[shrub chipper]

57. Hillary is the McCain supporter.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. If Hillary is behind in votes and delegates and takes the nomination through connections to party

poo-bahs who are superdelegates, she HAS TO put Obama on the ticket.

Obama is leading; albeit by a slight lead. I'm not sure the equation works out the same with Obama putting Hillary on the ticket. I get the feeling when she talks about them both being on the ticket, she's not talking about taking the #2 slot.

But that might be the only available move for Obama if he gets the nomination, too.

[Ian_walker]

41. Super Delegates prevent fake democrats screwing the nomination

We all know that the NeoConMen are encouraging their supporters to game the Democratic Party nomination; they have even admitted to the same on the forums, talk shows and media.

The reason the Democratic Party has Super Delegates is to prevent fake democrats screwing the nomination. The Super Delegates will vote their own conscience and do what is best for the party. The thing they vote for most as long term members of the Democratic Party is UNITY.

Either or Both candidates can make the UNITY speech and call for the DREAM TICKET.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. "fake democrats"=voters. The bottom line here is, Obama is winning. That's the bottom line.

If Hillary gets the nomination through superdelegates when Obama is winning, it's going to smell. BAD.

That's why Hillary is talking about them both on the ticket. She knows this.

[Ian_walker]

59. Less than 5% with 33% to decide does not victory make, Unless you are Fox news in Florida

There is a declining number of delegates between the two candidates 1% with 50% to decide does not victory make, Unless you are Fox news in Florida. So are you Fox News?

Less than 5% with 33% still to decide does not victory make, Unless you are Fox news in Florida
Clinton has 1,210 47% of delegates and Obama has 1,362 52% out of a total 4,048 leaving 1,476 still to decide; that is more delegates than either candidate has.

So do you still want to Fox news it?

The Democratic Party voters have already slapped down both candidates when they departed from the UNITY line. And Super Delegates who are there to prevent the NeoConMen gaming the Democratic Party nomination will vote their conscience and choose the UNITY candidate.

Either or both candidates can make the UNITY speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is already going for the gun.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. So explain to me in short declarative sentences why losing by a small margin, or even a tie

means Clinton should be the winner?

I said Obama's winning. He is That's the truth. He's in the lead..

Saying "He's Winning" isn't the same thing as saying "He won".

[Ian_walker]

93. I want BOTH to win.

I want BOTH to win.
Is that short and declarative for you?
I want UNITY
Is that short and declarative for you?
I want 16 years of Democratic Partty power.
Is that short and declarative for you?

[Warren DeMontague]

134. Makes perfect sense. However, in this country, only one person can be at the TOP of the ticket.

Generally, that's the person who wins the primary process.

[Ian_walker]

141. The Democratic Party voters and their Delegates will decide

69% of Voters want the Dream Ticket

The Super Deldgates will vote their consciense, they are there to esure that gaming the primary does not work. they will take acount of how the NeoConmen have been gaming the Primaries and vote accordingly. The Super Deldgates will look at the long term stategic interests of the Democratic Party. The Super Deldgates will vote for Democratic Party UNITY.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is a hairs breadth from the trigger...

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[earthlover]

43. Hillary's actions recently make it really difficult to pull off a unity ticket

I think she is just blowing smoke with this talk. It is, as she says, just a speech. Not a solution.

[Ian_walker]

47. DREAM TICKET is what gives the NeoConMen nightmares

NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democrat can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half-fat-liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

[earthlover]

50. Hillary is not ACTING as if Obama deserved to be on ANY ticket!

Actions speak louder than words. She can talk dream ticket until blue in the face. Then out the other side of her mouth she says he only has one speech compared to McCain. She is nuts if she thinks that is going to put her on a dream ticket.

[Ian_walker]

53. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech

First post in the thread.

Either or Both candidates can make that speech.

[earthlover]

136. Hillary can make a speech....where are her ACTIONS of unity? ABSENT!

If Hillary made the speech, it would be just another ploy. Quite frankly it would be inappropriate to do this in a speech. If she was serious, she would arrange a meeting with Obama and talk it over. Reach a discussion of just who would play what role in an administration. This discussion should take days, not a spur of the moment thing.

It would be ridiculous to present it in the form of a speech. That is absurd. It would be grandstanding and if she were sincere, she would talk privately first instead of making the first act of "unity" being unilaterally going over his head....

[Ian_walker]

139. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party

In the top of this thread are two possible speeches.

Either or Both Candidates can make the the speech

AND 69% of the Democratic Party want them to do so.

[GeorgeGist]

46. Hopefully this isn't true ...

"We are obviously the two strongest candidates this party has to offer to win the White House in 2008".

[Ian_walker]

51. Only dead-ender NeoConMen hope that

Does the Dream Ticket give you nightmares?

Dream Ticket
DREAM TICKET
DREAM TICKET!

[mculator]

55. Dream ticket is a good tactical idea for Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4952168&mesg_id=4952168

[Ian_walker]

65. It is a good tactical idea for Obama too. Read the link in my top post in this thread

It is a good tactical idea for Obama too. Read the link in my top post in this thread.

It is a far better STRATEGIC idea for the whole of the Democratic Party though. That is why I made the post.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

BUT Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech. See my top post in this thread I made it clear.

[AZBlue]

58. She only says it in places that Obama leads as a way to sway undecideds.

She aligns herself with him to get a few extra undecideds on her side. It's a tactic, not a heartfelt comment or proposal.

[IDemo]

60. Bingo

AZBlue gets it.

[Ian_walker]

151. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

They just need to sh*t and get off the potty

[Ian_walker]

61. Then Obama needs to say the UNITY speech

If what you are saying is true there is an easy fix. Then Obama needs to say the UNITY speech.

Either or both candidates can say the Unity Speech

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

[AZBlue]

64. But that would be lying. She does it, he doesn't.

Which is why we'll have a President Obama but there won't be a Senator Clinton for that much longer.

[Ian_walker]

73. Obama Disagrees with you. Do you Disagree with him?

Obama Disagrees with you.
"I was friends with Hillary Clinton before we started this campaign. I will be friends with Hillary Clinton after this campaign is over," Obama at the Kodak theatre California Debate.
Do you Disagree with him?

Either candidate or even both can make the unity speech. It is up to them to do so.

[Ian_walker]

148. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

Obama needs to start talking Democratic Party Unity or he will loose the nomination

[NC_Nurse]

62. She helps Repubs unite, if that's what you mean.

[Ian_walker]

150. The NeoConMen hate Clinton. Always have Always will

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have is Hate.

UNITY trumps hate every time

UNITY is the Strategy

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen's hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY is the strategy that will beat hate!

[msallied]

63. This is the sort of "unity" that gives me nightmares.

The idea is to keep Hillary out of the Presidency, at least in my opinion. I think she's bad for the party and for this nation. The kind of unity I'd like to see is one that can get the whole country together, Democrat, Republican, and Independent. Hillary is no more a uniter than GWB. She's a lightning rod for controversy and speculation about her character. I want a ticket that will satisfy the nation, not create a left-wing circle jerk.

[Ian_walker]

67. I realize the DREAM TICKET gives NeoConMen nightmares

Any loyal Democratic Party supporter wants this they want 16 years to put right the damage that the NeoConMen have done.

That is why NeoConMen are Terrified of two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democratic Party supporter can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency.

It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate; and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America.

It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

If McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee it just proves voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half-fat-liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

BUT frighten a NeoConMan today with just two simple words.

DREAM TICKET!

[msallied]

68. A "Dream Ticket" with a DLC neoliberal, Bush ass-kissing, special interest-humping shill

is not a "Dream Ticket."

[Ian_walker]

94. My, but 16 years of Democratic Party in power does give some people Nightmares

It realy gives those NeoConMen nightmares. :D

Nothing wrong with that in my book. :) }(

[madmom]

89. Do you REALLY believe there's one candidate that will bring

dem and repug together, honestly do you really believe that's possible? :rofl:

[Ian_walker]

152. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

UNITY is a strategy.

[casus belli]

66. Unity? More like Opportunist.

A Hillary win is virtually impossible in the absence of crushing wins in the remaining contests and a mass defection to her camp by supers. Knowing this, it is my opinion that she is simply posturing and making public statements that would pressure Obama's camp into considering a Veep slot for her to end the contest, or to drum away votes from some Obama supporters who see in her statements guarantees that Obama will have a place in her administration if she's elected. Either way, both are political calculations, not any real attempts at unifying the party. If she wanted to unify the party, all she would have to do is drop out and endorse Obama - something you and I both know isn't going to happen.

[msallied]

69. Damn straight. Political maneuvering at best.

Let's hope it maneuvers right back into her face.

[Ian_walker]

71. Less than 5% with 33% to decide is not victory; except for Fox news in Florida

There is a declining number of delegates between the two candidates 5% with 33% to decide does not victory make, Unless you are Fox news in Florida.

Less than 5% with 33% still to decide does not victory make, Unless you are Fox news in Florida
Clinton has 1,210 47% of delegates and Obama has 1,362 52% out of a total 4,048 leaving 1,476 still to decide; that is more delegates than either candidate has.

So do you still want to Fox news it? It will embarass you if you do.

The Democratic Party voters have already slapped down both candidates when they departed from the UNITY line. And Super Delegates who are there to prevent the NeoConMen gaming the Democratic Party nomination will vote their conscience and choose the UNITY candidate.

Either or BOTH candidates can make the UNITY speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is already going for the gun.

[msallied]

77. Yeah, and she's shooting herself in the foot with it.

[casus belli]

79. I'm not claiming victory for Obama.

What I am saying is that Hillary making up the 100+ delegate deficit she currently has would be virtually impossible under any realistic scenario. Once Michigan and Florida have settled their differences with the DNC, it could be a very different outlook, but short of that there isn't any realistic way she can make up the difference before the convention.

[Ian_walker]

87. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

If Obama wants to make the UNITY speech then he has to get off the potty and do it.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

It is there in the first post of this thread; in two forms the tactical winning speech and the strategic winning speech.

Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate.

[casus belli]

96. I don't think Hillary is on his short list.

And I agree with him if she's not. I think there are far better choices for Veep.

[CreekDog]

70. If she's the unity candidate then I'm a singing frog

:eyes:

[Ian_walker]

145. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech

It is open to both but a candidate who is not talking UNITY has no chance of winning the super delegates

[jsmirman]

72. Wow, you wrote a lot of words advancing an insane idea

Please, lay out in logical points what advantages Obama would gain by making Hillary his vice presidential candidate. With real points that show tangible effects.

Because in all those words, I don't see a darn thing.

[msallied]

75. I see a lot of people walking away disgusted from the Obama campaign

if he caves to that kind of political opportunism.

[jsmirman]

83. But it really would be stupidity more than opportunism, and as Quinnipiac prof

said, it's simply an "insane" idea. So more insanity than stupidity, really.

There's no way he would do it and there's no reason to do it, and the OP laid out absolutely ZERO logical points in advancement of his/her point.

[Ian_walker]

85. DREAM TICKET would be a landslide!

The DREAM TICKET would be a landslide! and 16 years of Democratic Government.

It would mean time of real Democratic Party policies it would bring about a Democratic Presidency, Senate and Congress.

[Ian_walker]

195. UNITY of the Democratic Party is more important than a candidates ego

UNITY is what will allow the Democratic Party to win a historic strategic 16 year victory all else is just tactics.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. If Hillary is the "unity candidate," then I'm Santa Claus!

[Ian_walker]

80. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

If Obama wants to make the UNITY speech then he has to get off the potty and do it.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

It is there in the first post of this thread; in two forms the tactical winning speech and the strategic winning speech.

Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate.

[yourguide]

78. If she wanted unity

perhaps she could have run a more unifying campaign against her opponent instead of a smear campaign.

[Ian_walker]

82. The time for UNITY has arrived!

It is clearly the time for unity.

Both Candidates and their campaigns need to reign in the idiot wing of their supporters and out the Rove Trolls sent into Forums like this to talk up disunity.

Pelosi said it and the rest of the Democratic Party are sick of it too.

No Candidate who allows it to go on will be seen by the Super Delegates as the UNITY candidate.

[yourguide]

84. The time for unity has arrived

now that Obama started fighting back? F that.

[jsmirman]

86. It is time for the sanity fairy to arrive

and pay you a visit.

You're making a lot of noise about nothing and clinging to a word like a baby with a shiny object.

[Ian_walker]

88. I hear lots of NeoConMen making the same argument

I hear lots of NeoConMen making the same argument. I take very careful notice of what gives them nightmares. See my first post in this thread.

[jsmirman]

90. Again, words... with no meaning.

Slogans and buzz terms are the lowest form of political discourse. The idea that I'm some neocon is hilarious, btw, but you don't even know what you're saying.

I wasted my time reading your initial post and I won't waste anymore time in this thread.

:freak:

[Ian_walker]

92. Read my first post this thread

I answered you before you made your point.

My argument is there in the first post of this thread.

Where is yours?

[jsmirman]

97. Unfortunately, I did. And there is nothing of value in your post

you do nothing to show what constituencies Hillary would bring to an Obama ticket that would not already be lining up for Obama. You do nothing to show how adding Hillary to a ticket would at all change the face of a General Election in a way that benefits Obama. There are no facts, no figures, not even any references to specific groups or demographics in your post. Now, I can say all this before noting how incredibly NEGATIVELY bringing Hillary onto the team will affect the Democratic candidate. It would be like tossing an iron jacket on man swimming in ankle weights.

All that exists in your post is a lot of empty blather- and not particularly well-written blather at that.

[Ian_walker]

99. Less than 5% with 33% to decide is not victory; except for Fox news in Florida

Again we see this Fox News in Florida habbit of anouncing a victor when there is not one. A strange habit...

If you want to argue the points in my first post then do so unless they give you Nightmares?

For me it is a Dream Ticket.
It means 16 years of Democratic Party power.
It means time for real Democratic Party policies to bed in.
It means a Democratic Party landslide.

Best of all it gives NeoConMen Nightmares

Happy dreams!

[Name removed]

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[Ian_walker]

107. I am talking about UNITY

I am talking about 16 years to put right the damage that the NeoConMen have done.

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

That is why NeoConMen are Terrified of those two little words:

DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it?

Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room?

Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democratic Party supporter can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency. It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate. It means changes new legislators and Supreme Court Judges and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America. It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee because voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half-fat-liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

IT MEANS frightening a NeoConMan today with just two simple words: DREAM TICKET!

[Cha]

95. clinton is the only one who's the lying

candidate. Why do you ignore clinton's bottom feeder campaign strategy and try to push her on us...that shit don't fly.

[Ian_walker]

98. I support BOTH candidates

I want UNITY
I want both candidates to win.
I want 16 years of Democratic Party power.

The UNITY candidate is the one who will win.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is going for the gun.

Either or Both candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[Cha]

102. hilary dug her own

"to the boneyard strategy"..we didn't make her do it.

[Ian_walker]

105. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

Now that is a strategy everything else is just tactics.

[Raine]

106. Clinton is probably the most divisive candidate

the Democratic Party has had in forty years. If Clinton wasn't so divisive she would've already had the nomination.

[Ian_walker]

112. Dream Ticket brings UNITY

UNITY is 16 years to put right the damage that the NeoConMen have done.

Because voters throughout the country are now hungry for change.

They are sick of the Republicans damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

That is why NeoConMen are Terrified of the DREAM TICKET

Why do the GOP have nightmares about it? Why is DREAM TICKET the thousand pound guerrilla sitting among all the breakables in the dainty GOP room? Why do NeoConMen glance at it and then hold their hands up to blinker their eyes, muttering "Can't see it, Can't see it, Can't see it." hopping that will make it go away?

Because as any loyal Democratic Party supporter can see, it is not just a single candidate or a mere 4 or 8 years of presidency. It means a raft of candidates for both presidency, congress and senate. It means changes new legislators and Supreme Court Judges and time enough in office that they can bring about true change and the dawn of a New Democratic Age for America. It means Democrats at their convention with the next two winning candidates already lined up and shouting "16 years, Sixteen Years, SIXTEEN YEARS!"

McCain has the GOP nomination over the Conservative Huckabee because voters want a liberal in charge. McCain just means the Democrats have already won the next election he is already behind in the polls against both Democratic Party Candidates and that means voters even former Republicans are hungry for change. Voters hungry for change are not going to go for the half-fat-liberal McCain. If you want a liberal in charge your going to VOTE THE FULL CREAM and vote Democrat, Obama or Clinton.

IT MEANS frightening a NeoConMan today with just two simple words: DREAM TICKET!

Dont you just love it? Dream Ticket

[elixir]

108. I agree with the dream ticket. Let's hope they take this idea and implement it sooner than later.

[Ian_walker]

122. The Dream Tickets time has come.

Now is the time for UNITY!
Now is the time for the DREAM TICKET!
Now is the time for SIXTEEN YEARS!

[OnionPatch]

111. Sorry, but it's not my dream ticket at all.

And if that makes me a bad Democrat, then I guess I'm a bad Democrat. I don't want Hillary in charge at all, as president or VP. Period. That's why I did not vote for her. Scaring the neocons? I'm not voting according to who can scare the neocons. I'm voting for who I think can put our country back together. Besides, didn't Hillary go along with the neocons when she voted for the IWR? I'm more optimistic about ousting the neocons with Hillary NOT on the ticket.

[Ian_walker]

113. It is simple realy the UNITY candidate will win.

Now is the time for UNITY and the candidate that goes for that is the one who will win over the Supper Delegates who will be voting their consience. The Super Delegates are their to prevent people like the NeoConMen gamming the Democratic Party election as we are all aware has been happening.

Either or both Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[LibertyorDeath]

116. "she is considering it"

Well since she is behind in Delegates that's very

big of her.

Will her Ego be running on a separate ticket?

[cbayer]

121. I agree with you. A Unity ticket would be a Dream Ticket for me.

As Clinton said today, there are a lot of people who wish they could vote for both candidates.

I am one of those people.

They are almost identical in terms of policy but have differences in style and experience. And those differences compliment each other nicely.

And it seems clear that both have energized democrats and independents to a degree we have not see for sometime.

I would hope that the Clinton bashers who are responding to your post would support this ticket no matter who is in the POTUS position.

[Ian_walker]

123. Most of the knockers in this Forum are Rove Trolls

Any real Democratic Party supporters will get behind the candidate which ever one it is.

There are a lot of Rove Trolls making divisive posts in the forum pretending to support one camp or another. Often I see them and see the same language in both posts. I suspect multiple memberships by the same persons arguing from both sides in order to create seeming division.

Check out the the top pinned topic in this section of the forum even the Forum moddies recognize them for what they are...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4798898&mesg_id=4798898
...their time is numbered.

But getting back to the point UNITY is what will win.
And the Dream Ticket is UNITY

Either or both Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[workinclasszero]

125. So Hillary wants to savage Obama with lies, smears and even endorsing McCain

over him.

Play the race card, again and again.

Threaten to steal a race she can't win fairly.

Play her useless, destructive, divisive, mudslinging game all the way to the convention.

Then...

Ask Obama to be a part of a so-called Unity ticket!? A Dream ticket!!?

buhaHAHAHAHA! If it was me I would tell Hillary Rodham Clinton to go straight to hell!

And I would love every second of it!:evilgrin:

[Ian_walker]

127. I come back to the original post:: Is Clinton the only Unity candidate?

Because the simple fact of the matter is that the only winning candidate is one who can unite the Democratic Party.

UNITY is about both candidates and their supporters, uniting behind both candidates and the Democratic Party to pursue a strategic victory of 16 years in power; in the Presidency, Senate and Congress.

UNITY wins.

UNITY is a landslide.

It has become a quick draw competition, to see which one says the magic two words first: DREAM TICKET

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton is reaching for the gun...

It is a quick draw competition because the Candidate who first makes the UNITY speech wins Democratic Party Presidential nomination.

[Arkana]

128. Hillary has NOT proposed a unity ticket.

What she has done is said to the guy she's losing to, "Hey, you can be my vice president!"

[Ian_walker]

130. When Obama starts talking Dream Ticket he can claim to be a UNITY candidate

Either or BOTH candidates can say the UNITY speech

[Arkana]

140. I don't think he WANTS her.

She'd be a terrible vice president--constantly undermining him for her own selfish ends.

[Ian_walker]

144. UNITY is what wins. UNITY is a landslide. UNITY is 16 years!

UNITY is Strategy. Now what is that tactic you are talking about?

[Little Star]

132. Righto!

[Ian_walker]

133. Who so ever makes the UNITY speech will win the Super Delegates

Now is the time for UNITY and the candidate that goes for that is the one who will win over the Supper Delegates who will be voting their conscience.

We all know the NeoConMen have been encouraging their supporters to game the Democratic Primaries.

The Super Delegates are their to prevent people like the NeoConMen gaming the Democratic Party election, they will take note who is acting against the interests of the party and vote accordingly.

Either or BOTH Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[Deja Q]

142. She also sends out flyers saying how Bush has offshored jobs.

She hasn't?

[Ian_walker]

143. Err you did you post in the right forum?

Bush the dead-ender only has a few months. Posting pro Bush in the DU forum kind makes you mask slip does it not?

That said it gives me an oportunity for this:

I love giving Nightmares to NeoConMen

DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

Terrify a NeoConMan today. While Drinking coffee in the Mall say to your Friend DREAM TICKET. Even if you whisper it a NeoConMen will hear it clear across the other side of the Mall. Try it really works.

And I do love giving NeoConMen Nightmares. And winding up the Rove trolls on this forum is just Soooo Much fun!

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum really is fun!

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do. Winding up the Rove trolls on this forum IS Soooo Much fun!

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

UNITY trumps hate every time. Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick of them. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit. And they are hungry for change.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate! Winding up the Rove Trolls on this forum is Soooo Much fun!

[dcindian]

146. Clinton is trying to force herself onto a populace that doesn't want her

There is no greater good here. All there is. Is a losing candidate that is trying to back their way onto a winning ticket.


Nader/Clinton 08

The ticket of extremely large heads.

[Ian_walker]

147. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech

It is a simple fact of life.

[JVS]

153. HA!

Unity for the Republicans, she's that candidate

[Ian_walker]

159. UNITY is what wins. Unity is Strategic momentum. UNITY is 16 years!

UNITY is a strategy.
UNITY is a landslide.
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried.

Any candidate that can offer that will win the democratic nomination.

[PseudoIntellect]

154. Yes, HRC is a unity candidate...

The people in big blue states are just more equal than everyone else.

[Ian_walker]

160. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

But they have to Sh*t and get off the potty.

There are two speeches at the top of this thread candidates need to make one of them or something better.

[Radical Activist]

161. Clinton is trying to bully her way onto the ticket.

By creating more bad feelings about Obama among her supporters she is trying to make Obama think he can't win without her and her following. I think Obama should tell her to take her bullying tactics and go to hell.

[Ian_walker]

162. UNITY is a strategy. It is about the Democratic Party...

Which is far more important than any candidates, or their fair weather supporters egos

UNITY is what gives the NeoConMen Nightmares

UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is 16 years.
UNITY is a strategic momentum.
UNITY is Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is Democratic Party Senate
UNITY will bury the NeoConMen.

Now that is a Strategy

[Ian_walker]

165. Obama Campaign is now talking UNITY

They are saying they could offer Clinton VP slot

[DemBones DemBones]

166. Looking over this thread, it doesn't seem that Obama supporters are into Unity

but they should be. The Dream Ticket should be Clinton/Obama because she has more experience and he can be VP for 8 years, gain extremely valuable experience, and be perfectly positioned to become president at age 54.

If the ticket was Obama/Clinton this year, the candidate with least experience would be going up against McCain, who's been in the Senate since 1986 and in the House before that.

That's a very risky proposition, especially with many Democrats determined not to vote for Obama because he lacks experience and has fudged the truth, implying that he voted against IWR and saying he is against the war, while his votes have all been just what Bush wanted. In eight years as VP, he could redeem himself with those of us who now see him as a spoiler.

[Ian_walker]

167. UNITY removes division. Unity solves impasse. Unity heals all wounds!

That is fundamental fact of the Democratic Party.

When the Democratic Party chooses its candidate; ALL REAL Democratic Supporters get behind the Democratic Party Nomination.

That is a given.

[BlueIdaho]

168. Please pay attention

HRC is only talking "dream ticket" in Mississippi. This is just one more politically cynical and borderline racist ploy but the Clintons. Just wait, come the next 'big state" primary there will be more fire and brimstone from her campaign. She understands full well she can use this gambit to appeal to blacks in Mississippi and that she can't really sustain a kitchen sink full of hatred for seven weeks without turning off the entire democratic party. I used to get in fist fights backing up the Clinton's in the '90's - now its obvious just how cold and calculating they both really are.

[Ian_walker]

171. It is a quick draw competition and Clinton's finger is on the trigger

Either or both candidates can make the UNITY speech.

It is a quick draw competition and Clinton's finger is on the trigger.

The STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH can be made by both candidates

And the TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH can be made by either on their own.

By making that TACTICAL UNITY SPEECH speech the candidate that does it guarantees the vast majority of UNITY voters and Delegates will come into their camp.

The Super Delegates will vote their concienses. The Super Delegates are there to prevent the gaming of the Democratic Primary Nomination as the NeoConMen have already admited they are doing. The Super Delegates will take not of it and act accordingly. The Super Delegates will reward loyalty and unity. The Super Delegates will do what is in the strategic best interests of the Democratic Party.

DREAM TICKET you know it makes sense!

Because UNITY is a positive message.
Because UNITY is a strong message.
Because UNITY is a powerful message.

What is the NeoConMen's message? Hate Fear and Loathing.

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Edwards
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen hate the Dream Ticket
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain

The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate, they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

UNITY triumphs over hate every time.

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen and their hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit.

And they are hungry for CHANGE.
And they are hungry for UNITY.
And they are hungry for HOPE.

HOPE is the Vision.
UNITY is the Strategy.
CHANGE is the Means.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!

See how the Democratic UNITY message is stronger then the NeoConMen's hate message?

[MadHound]

170. Well, quite frankly any ticket with Hillary on it is poison

Especially if she is at the top of the ticket. Her name alone, whether as Pres. or VP will pull every single conservative, RW, fundy, etc. out of the woodwork to vote. Obama, teamed with a more innocuous name as VP won't face the same type of turnout.

Hillary at the top of the ticket will also drive off a large contingent of anti-war voters. They will either stay home or vote third party. Obama, since he didn't vote for the IWR, doesn't have this kind of baggage.

Hillary at the top of the ticket will also drive a large group of independents and conservative Dems right over to McCain. Obama on the other hand can win over independents and moderate 'Pugs.

This whole dream team ticket is nothing more than another ploy that Hillary is using to try and belittle Obama. When is the last time you heard of the number two in the race stating that they would like to have the number one as their VP? This is Hillary trying to drag Obama down, to get people thinking about him as a VP rather than presidential material. It's just more Clinton BS, trying to win the nomination by any means necessary.

[Ian_walker]

172. UNITY is a positive message and a positive strategy.

Your negative tactics do Obama no service. So much so that I suspect you are not a real Obama supporter. For your posts would paint Obama as a hater. Something I think Obama would be disgusted with.

You paint the Dream Ticket and UNITY as bad and weak. You say that the Dream Ticket makes Obama be the VP this is not the truth. Either or Both candidates can make the UNITY speech.

If Obama was to make the UNITY speech it only commits him to the VP slot if he looses.

Are you really saying the Obama thinks he is going to loose

I have an alternative message to your message of hate.

It is a message of UNITY

Because UNITY is a positive message.
Because UNITY is a strong message.
Because UNITY is a powerful message.

What is the NeoConMen's message? Hate Fear and Loathing.

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Edwards
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen hate the Dream Ticket
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain

The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate, they always have and always will.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

UNITY triumphs over hate every time.

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen and their hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit.

And they are hungry for CHANGE.
And they are hungry for UNITY.
And they are hungry for HOPE.

HOPE is the Vision.
UNITY is the Strategy.
CHANGE is the Means.

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!

See how the Democratic UNITY message is stronger then the NeoConMen's hate message?

If you think I am copy pasting the same replies I am!
Some truths need oft repeating to stop them being drowned in the miss truths and lies.

Kind Regard Ian Walker

[MadHound]

177. Look, I don't deal in pipe dreams, I deal in political reality

And frankly I've been dealing in political reality around here a hell of a lot longer than you, and that's probably true in the real world as well, since I've been working for the party for over thirty five years. My political sense has been very good for a very long time because I don't deal in fluff or fabrication, but reality.

The reality of the matter is that any ticket with Hillary on it is indeed poison that will insure that ticket defeat for the reasons I mentioned above. You don't like that reality, well too bad, you really need to deal with it. What, you think all those conservative Clinton haters have disappeared, would magically stay away from the polls just because Obama's on the ticket?:eyes:

The other reality of the matter is that yes, indeed, this is simply another cynical ploy by Clinton, a subtle put down of Obama trying to put him down into second place, when in reality the man is in the lead. Again, this isn't hate, this is experience speaking, from being on the inside of campaigns, including the Clinton's at one time, and seeing how things work. Oh, and if you don't believe me, look around, you'll find many other people, people who get paid for their words of reality, stating the same thing.

Look, pledges of unity and clouds of kumbaya are fine and dandy, the whip up the faithful and provide a rallying point. But if you're going to ignore the reality of the political situation, you're going to get your ass handed to you time and again. So yes, go peddle your message of unity, just don't be surprised when reality comes through and knocks you upside the head, hard.

[Frumious B]

178. Hillary floats the "dream ticket" thing, but who knows if she's sincere?

She could just be doing it to try and get undecided and weak Obama supporters to vote for her thinking that if they do then they get both of them. Besides, Obama hasn't crossed the, erm, "threshold" so there's no way he could be Hillary's Veep.

[Ian_walker]

180. Either or Both Candidates can make the UNITY speech and be the UNITY candidate

As I have pointed out there is a strategic UNITY speech that BOTH candidates can make together.

The STRATEGIC UNITY SPEECH:
1) Allows both candidates to continue to run for the Presidential Nomination.
2) Does not Force any candidate to run as the VP.
3) Leaves the contest open.
4) Runs the nomination without internecine war.
5) Unites the whole Democratic Party.
6) It says that both candidates will accept the will of the Democratic Party. (which is a given anyway)
7) Makes UNITY the strategy of the Democratic party.



It does the thing the NeoConMen most hate: It Unifies the Democratic Party.

[Ian_walker]

179. 6 out of 10 Obama supporters want the Dream Ticket

Now that is the political reality.

You worry about the NeoConMen's hate message, that it will drag back a few flip flopper's, well only a FOOL runs their political strategy on the message their enemy wants.

Here is another political reality for you:

The NeoConMen always hate

The NeoConMen hate Obama
The NeoConMen hate Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Kerry
The NeoConMen hate Bill Clinton
The NeoConMen hate Gore
The NeoConMen hate JFK
The NeoConMen hate Carter
The NeoConMen even hate their very own McCain
The NeoConMen hate every single Democratic Party candidate they always have and always will.

DREAM TICKET what all NeoConMen Hate.

HATE is all they do.

They account for less than 30% of voters and declining. They have some loud mouthpieces like Fox and Talk Radio and the rest of the NeoConMen's media.

Their time is ended.

All they have left is Hate.

Here is thought DO THING YOUR ENEMY HATES!

UNIFY the Democratic Party

UNITY trumps hate every time.

That is what the United States of America is based on.

And America is sick to the stomach of the NeoConMen and all their spiteful hate. They are sick of the NeoConMen damaging the US economy. They are sick of the Iraq war. They are sick of the American image being dragged through the mud. They sick of the NeoConMen raping our planet. The sick of the NeoConMen's Tax Debt. They sick of rising gas at the pump. They are sick of the dollar in their pocket being worth half of what it was. They are sick of it all. Most of all they are sick of the NeoConMen and their lies and deceit and hate.

And they are hungry for CHANGE.
And Hungry for UNITY.
And Hungry for HOPE

UNITY is what will win.
UNITY is what the NeoConMen fear
UNITY is a Strategy
UNITY is the Gift that keeps giving...NeoConMen Nightmares
UNITY is a landslide
UNITY is Strategic Momentum
UNITY is 16 years of power
UNITY is a Democratic Party House of Representatives
UNITY is a Democratic Party Senate
UNITY is the NeoConMen buried
UNITY will beat hate!

Because HOPE is the vision
Because CHANGE is the actions
And Because UNITY is the strategy that binds them, and will let them the exist and not just be a speech.

See how the Democratic UNITY message is stronger then the NeoConMen's hate message?

[theboss]

184. When has a Clinton ever represented "unity?"

Hillary carries her 40 percent negative ratings as a badge of honor. Her very essence is polarizing to the electorate.

For all his triumphs, Bill Clinton never topped 50 percent in a national election.

I just don't see how a Clinton can sell themselves as a facilitator of unity.

[Ian_walker]

185. Clinton is talking UNITY

Clinton has been talking the UNITY ticket which is what 69% of Democratic Party Voters and 6 out of 10 Obama voters say they want. I suspect that given the offer the numbers would be even higher than that.

And according to many polls 2/3rds of the countries voters want the Dream Ticket.

Either or BOTH Candidates can make the UNITY speech.

[LWolf]

189. There is no unity candidate.

Some of them did not run. The rest of them didn't make it to super Tuesday.

[Ian_walker]

193. UNITY is what wins. Unity is Strategic momentum. UNITY is 16 years!

At the very least Clinton is talking UNITY and with it there is still hope.

[WinkyDink]

191. I cannot see how the DU Obama supporters would ever vote for Hillary.

Hillary's supporters will vote for the ticket, no matter what; of this, I am confident.

But the fabled youth vote for Obama? They'll sit home if HRC is the candidate.

And the vitriol on DU against Hillary forces me to conclude that Obama's adult supporters will follow suit.

[Ian_walker]

192. UNITY is about the whole Democratic Party

The Democratic party decides who the candidate is.